European auto makers have plowed tens of billions of dollars into developing electric cars and hybrids to comply with stricter restrictions on tailpipe emissions. Now they face the challenge of selling those vehicles.

Volkswagen AG VOW 0.28% , Porsche and Daimler AG DMLRY 0.62% ’s Mercedes-Benz all unveiled electric models at this week’s Frankfurt auto show that will be heading to dealerships soon. Executives said more hybrid and plug-in models were on their way, as part of a broader push to electrify large parts of their lineups.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/e...uto-show-11568201099.    

Wow, some of the cars are pretty awesome looking.  Boris??  tell me what ya think??

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The people have spoken....These legacy car makers need to get with the program & start producing fully 100% EV's. They do not want to build EV's because the profit margin isn't as high. This is why they've been Soooo resistant to compete with Tesla. One problem.....they're now falling way behind

GM has the Bolt & increased their range to 250 miles. Nissan Leaf has a new 60 kW battery that should get about the same....maybe a little more if you drive it easy. The problem? Fast charging for these vehicles.

Look at Norway.....they're smart

She called on European governments to follow the example of Norway, where incentives such as tax rebates for buyers and free parking, have made it the first country to hit a tipping point: More than half of its vehicle sales are electric.

Norway & the Netherlands.....they're leading the charge & the U.S. now has about 700,000 Tesla's on the roads. The biggest advantage?? The SuperCharger network. The other car companies need to put up the infrastructure....orrr......GASP, pay Tesla to use theirs. 

Something had to give & the people have definitely spoken. They want EV's & they're here to stay. 

A friend of my Son's has a Tesla 3. His Dad was driving it last winter, hit a chunk of ice with one of the tires, and the tire went flat and the car shut down on him on the freeway. He had to call a Tesla certified service tow truck to take him to the Tesla dealer in the Twin Cities to repair the problem. The car needed a new tire. So far, my Son's friend really likes his Tesla. I am waiting to see how much longer it will be before the battery life improves so you don't have to worry about a recharge or finding a charging station on a longer trip.

Boris posted:

The people have spoken....These legacy car makers need to get with the program & start producing fully 100% EV's. They do not want to build EV's because the profit margin isn't as high. This is why they've been Soooo resistant to compete with Tesla. One problem.....they're now falling way behind

GM has the Bolt & increased their range to 250 miles. Nissan Leaf has a new 60 kW battery that should get about the same....maybe a little more if you drive it easy. The problem? Fast charging for these vehicles.

Look at Norway.....they're smart

She called on European governments to follow the example of Norway, where incentives such as tax rebates for buyers and free parking, have made it the first country to hit a tipping point: More than half of its vehicle sales are electric.

Norway & the Netherlands.....they're leading the charge & the U.S. now has about 700,000 Tesla's on the roads. The biggest advantage?? The SuperCharger network. The other car companies need to put up the infrastructure....orrr......GASP, pay Tesla to use theirs. 

Something had to give & the people have definitely spoken. They want EV's & they're here to stay. 

You are obviously a communist bent on the destruction of the United States.

I haven't heard anything else lately but I also heard Tesla has developed and testing battery tech which significantly improves battery life. 

I'm hoping that once the infrastructure is developed for recharging electric cars, all charging station chargers will have universal charging cables and receptacles for the various electric car models. It would be awful if your car needed a charge but couldn't get one because the make of your car wasn't compatible with the charging station. It would be like a VHS vs Betamax scenario for cars.

--The Tesla pickup truck, described by Elon Musk as “the coolest car I’ve ever seen,”--

IDGAF how cool it looks, will it handle the work my 2006 F150 does?

Still waiting on the details from Ford/Rivian and Tesla for the heavy lifting a truck needs to do.

Henry posted:

Or trains in the 1800's where each railroad had their own gauge of tracks.  Sometimes regulation and innovation go hand in hand. 

Or more like hydralic fittings on farm machinery.  John Deere, I H old and new style, Pioneer.  Well,  you know what I mean Henry.

ammo posted:
Henry posted:

Or trains in the 1800's where each railroad had their own gauge of tracks.  Sometimes regulation and innovation go hand in hand. 

Or more like hydralic fittings on farm machinery.  John Deere, I H old and new style, Pioneer.  Well,  you know what I mean Henry.

Nothing but IH.

Hungry5 posted:

--The Tesla pickup truck, described by Elon Musk as “the coolest car I’ve ever seen,”--

IDGAF how cool it looks, will it handle the work my 2006 F150 does?

Still waiting on the details from Ford/Rivian and Tesla for the heavy lifting a truck needs to do.

Maybe Musk will start mass producing graphene for frames.  You could probably power that thing with a hefty round of burritos. 

Yes, I know graphene is hard to produce you science wonks with bad social skills.

Considering electric motors are measured by torque instead horsepower I'm thinking they would be more than up to the task of heavy lifting. 

Boris posted:

GM has the Bolt & increased their range to 250 miles.

Something had to give & the people have definitely spoken. They want EV's & they're here to stay. 

I bought one in April for a commuter car.  Best fricken money I ever spent.  The thing tears, no maintenance, no gas bill, no oil changes, nothing.  Plenty of room. Plug it in at night and drive it all day.  

What am I saying "money I spent" LOL. For doing it, California sent me a check for $2500 and PG&E gave me another $800.  Plus I get a huge tax credit from the Feds come April, like $7500. 

Basically between all that and the gas savings, the first 2 years of no-interest payments are paid for.  I made money buying it.

No internal combustion so it will last forever.  Direct current so I could almost fix it myself I bet. 

I'm telling you, you cannot go wrong.  

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