End of Season +/-

++++We swept the NFC North this season and next season looks as if we may do that, again. IMO, It's key in getting to the playoffs. We found ways to win most of the ugly games. We will have a lot of our core players coming back. Other teams in our division will look a lot different, next season, due to poor cap management,personality issues and just bad signings. We stayed healthy, as a team, all season long. I think the players appreciated MLF's approach to practices.  We played like a team, most games. It seemed there was genuine support and camaraderie between the players. Individually, Goodson had his best game as a Packer, last night. Adams, Graham, Lazard, GMO and Kumerow all caught passes to move the chains. Aaron Jones ran well but was only able to muster just under 60 yards running the ball. 

----Aaron Rodgers needs to do some thinking this off season. His passing was, mostly, not good, last night. Yes, he hit Adams deep and Jimmy G with the deep ball but everyone else had to catch passes that were behind them or at their feet. The 2 point conversion pass had Adams turn completely around just to miss the catch. Aaron, once again, held the ball too long while receivers were open under the coverage. He seems to always look for the play 30-40 yards downfield instead of looking for an open player 5 -10 yards out. Take what the defense gives you! Linsley's muff on that snap, cost us. Our defensive woes, at stopping the run, showed up big time, last night. Pettine needs to figure out a way to reverse that. If it means getting better run stopping players, a better defensive game plan or a new DC, it has to get done. The Draft and FA, this year, will be very interesting to see. Also, No Wayne and Larry on the radio for this game, forcing me to listen to Buck and Aikman call the game.

+ Our pass defense really stepped up.

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- They took our manhood.

I was wondering about that if he even saw the field.

In a cut up someone posted a couple weeks ago, MVS had some nice grabs early in the season.  Big catch in the Bears opener for example.

The fall from that is stunning to say the least.

DH13 posted:

Woops.  But you get the overall point, no?

Of course 👍🏼

TouchdownWhitewaterJesus posted:

+ Our pass defense really stepped up.

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- They took our manhood.

If that's the case Spermheads must be lifelong eunuchs. 

Pretty funny talking about manhood from a fan of a team whose proverbial balls have never dropped.

DH13 posted:

michiganjoe posted:

Pretty clearly a significant talent gap between the two teams and there's also a coaching gap there. Packers had two opportunities to at a minimum be competitive with the Niners and fell woefully short on both occasions. 

That's the most troubling concern for me, the coaching gap.  Is MLF capable of taking his O in a unique direction that Shanahan doesn't already know like the back of his hand?  Does Pettine only need more talent (that sounds way too familiar) or does he just not know how to combat SF's O?

I keep going back to Holmgren/Seifert.  Seifert was no Walsh but he was his OC and had a lot of success in both roles (HC, OC).  Holmgren was further down the ladder.  But he was smart enough to figure out how to beat his mentor with Fritz.  MLF will need to do the same.

Holmgren and Wolf became smart enough to beat the Niners and Cowboys for 2 reasons. They traded for Brett Favre and signed Reggie White. Having LeRoy Butler and great depth also contributed, but Favre and White were the difference. 

We all loved Shurmur and he was a good Xs and Os guy, but he was available to come to Green Bay because the previous two years his defenses in Phoenix were 25th and 20th ranked. He had the most dominant front 4 in Packers history anchored by the best defensive lineman of all time. Reggie was the best combination of pass rusher and run stopper I've ever seen play. It was like having a superstar 3rd down pass rush specialist combined with Gilbert Brown run defense in the same player. Sean Jones had 115 career sacks. Gilbert Brown was an elite run stopper. S. Dotson was a better version of Mike Daniels. Fritz knew what to do not to screw that up. 

It would be the similar situation for MLF and Pettine if JJ Watt was a free agent and they were able to sign him without giving anything up for him next year. And I'm saying that while knowing that while JJ Watt is a superstar, he's still not as good as Reggie was. If you do nothing else in yesterday's game other than replace Lowry or Lancaster with the 1995 version of Reggie White, the Packers win that game. 

Defense is often pretty simple. If you can rush the passer consistently with 4 guys, that's often the main reason you win. 

He surprised a few coaches that were caught sleeping.  He put those plays on tape and defenses took them away.  He wasn't able to counterpunch.

If I recall correctly we came out and had 2 first downs...one somersault 10 yard run by 33 and a pass to Adams for another.  Then comes 3rd and something.  Mr Rodgers throws a beautiful pass to 81 at the LOS while missing a wide open Jimmy beyond the sticks.  Result?  4th down and a stat padding completion.

Would this have made a difference?  Probably not BUT in terms of team confidence little things can be important.  IMO this play, the bad snap and short punt all played a major role in sapping our team and encouraging the Niners.

As the song goes, little things mean a lot.

Rodgers the Goat played horribly and it was so evident after watching Mahomes in the game before. Simple things like on third down and short passing to a double covered receiver instead of a wide open Jimmy G. As posted above move the chains and take what the D is giving you.

Maybe early in the game that was true and I think he was doing that. And that’s fine when you’re in a tight game, but when your D is giving up points every drive and allowing 10 yards per play it’s hard to accept taking short passes and forcing long methodical drives. 

+ MLF for winning 14 games with so many holes in his roster.

+ Aaron Jones for being able to play 18 games.

+ Adams is a great WR

+ Elgton Jenkins the best rookie G in the league and one of the best overall.

+ Smith Brothers

+ Kenny Clark is one of, if not the best DTs in the game.

+ Pocket Hercules. He brings attitude, power, speed and competitiveness to the defense.

+ Bulaga played great this year. Better than Bacteria.

+Crosby has a great year.

- WRs not named Adams

- RBs not named Jones

- Billy Turner not sure what they saw in this guy to give him a big contract. He isn't strong enough IMO

- Lindsley is too small and gets blown up. 

- All TEs. What a crappy group. Graham goes down like crack whore for $5. Tonyan hurt on his only catch of the year. Sternberger hurt. Lewis was the best but they didn't want to throw to him.

- DL not named Clark. The two white guys are 3rd stringers anywhere else. M Adams obviously doesn't get it. Keke smokes dope.

- ILB Martinez makes tackles but he cannot cover, is slow and short. Goodson is a guy you can get a 100 of in the NFL. Burks is too stupid or something. He was supposedly the smart guy from Vandy who was tall, fast and long but he sees only about 4 plays a game.

Precisely my point GD, all three of my examples happened in the first half, don't fuck up those 3 plays and PERHAPS you are still in the game and don't have to try and do what you can't.

Mr. Rodgers has to sit down and look at his film honestly. He needs to be better. He is far closer to retirement than he is to the start of his career. Yes, he can still sling it now and then, but he needs to become more of a manager and play within the system. If the first read is short and it's open, take it. Don't try for 35 when 5 means you keep the ball and move the sticks. MLF has to make sure Rodgers makes the transition. 

On D... wow. Review the film closely. There were some games where this D was great, and others where the D stunk. A lot of draft capital has been spent on D. Are we getting the ROI we should?

It was a great year, a fun year, a totally unexpected year. Next year there will be more expectations, and it's up to Gute, MLF, Rodgers, and Pettine to fulfill them.

I think this boils down to the fact that the Packers overachieved this season and it caught up to them last night.  But that's a hell of a lot better than underachieving.

TouchdownWhitewaterJesus posted:

+ Our pass defense really stepped up.

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- They took our manhood.

Hi jaymo!

But they didn't take our trophy case.

+ it’s over

-  I’m not over it.   

TouchdownWhitewaterJesus posted:

+ Our pass defense really stepped up.

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- They took our manhood.

I have no issues with opposing fans coming on and trash talking from time to time.  Be consistent, be here when you win and be here when you lose and as long as you're following the rules, welcome and enjoy your time here. 

But, FFS man, if you're gonna play the parody account thing here, do better. This isn't even half assed. It's like 1/128th assed. At best. 

While others get pissed off at your BS, (and maybe that's all you want) I'm not pissed. I'm just embarrassed for you, and your fanbase, if this is the best you got.  A better man (I guess someone with their manhood in tact?) could have sailed under the radar and created an account with some actual nuance, been mildly entertaining, and actually funny to some.  This though?  Sad. Pathetic. A child could produce something 100x more entertaining. 

Step up your game son.  

…and get a bigger Traeger!

Did the Pack overachieve? Perhaps. But I believe they would beat every team in the NFC cept SF. Yes that includes the Saints. 

Felt like the 2 best NFC teams faced each other. Wish Pack would've made it more competitive in the first half. There was a brief fleeting moment when I thought if they could make it 37-27, they have at least a shot. Wasn't meant to be this year. 

Really disappointed in the run defense. Felt like they were better than that. Guess not.

Definitely better than the alternative which is having zero trophy's in the case. Right BPS?