https://www.sfgate.com/califor...357.php?t=9da59842d1 Isn’t Chico his home??
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No, that's not the reason. His play has been off long before any fires started. This team over the last 2.5 seasons looks very average. Because that's precisely what they are.
21-20-1 (regular season) since 2016 and likely missing the playoffs in back-to-back years for the first time in the MM era.
Aaron's been checked out of MM and his offense for years now. The "fire" theory is about as accurate as Olivia Munn.
Agree. Chico was his home, but the Rodgers that we see now is not a weeks-long version, it's been sneaking up for a couple years. Bored with MM, bored with offense, reading too much of the hype, letting ego come before team, have all been there before but only in flashes. This year the unhappiness/mutinous/egoist have come out in the open.
Went through a similar slump several years ago when Clements taking over the playcalling was supposedly the cause (it wasn't). Difference now is that it's pretty apparent that a significant issue is a head coach whose shelf life in his present position has expired.
Fires aren't the reason. Not even close. Rodgers home(s) is/are in Green Bay & LA - he doesn't live in Chico anymore. He has insurance. Something tells me even if his house burned down, he'd be ok.
Everyone knows HC's have a shelf life. Usually 8-10 years is it. This is year 13 for MM.
I'm all about continuity but as a HC you need to evolve & be dynamic. MM has done neither & thinks we can still run 2010-2011 offensive scheme's.
Last year people blamed Olivia's magical snatch. JFC, maybe the same $hitty playcalling for 8 years has stripped him of his love of the game.
McCarthy's offense is designed to identify and exploit downfield opportunities. Aaron has a lot of confidence in his ability to throw a catchable long ball and rightfully so. But whether by design or Rodgers' choice, there appears to be disdain for short gains via the pass and the upshot is an inconsistent attack that results in lots of sacks and aborted drives. AR doesn't seem to recognize that he's not as evasive as he used to be and that teams are concentrating on keeping him from extending plays to the outside.
Brainwashed Boris posted:Fires aren't the reason. Not even close. Rodgers home(s) is/are in Green Bay & LA - he doesn't live in Chico anymore. He has insurance. Something tells me even if his house burned down, he'd be ok.
Everyone knows HC's have a shelf life. Usually 8-10 years is it. This is year 13 for MM.
I'm all about continuity but as a HC you need to evolve & be dynamic. MM has done neither & thinks we can still run 2010-2011 offensive scheme's.
Somewhat ironic that he did a commercial where his house was on fire.
michiganjoe posted:Went through a similar slump several years ago when Clements taking over the playcalling was supposedly the cause (it wasn't). Difference now is that it's pretty apparent that a significant issue is a head coach whose shelf life in his present position has expired.
A major difference now is that a lot of us (and probably MM/TT) could blame that funk on the WR/TE/ talent they were putting on the field after Jordy's injury in 2015. They were lining up a receiving core with one healthy NFL level WR (Cobb). They were running plays with a washed up WR that had been cut by two teams that preseason (James Jones), a version of Davante Adams that in retrospect was clearly not healthy, Abbrederis, Janis, and Ty Montgomery. Their running backs were a fading Eddie Lacy and an aging James Starks. Their starting TE was RichRod. That's not much to work with.
In the first 10 games of this season, they are lining up a top 5 WR in the NFL (Adams), a better than average TE (Graham), some very promising young WR talent better than anything they had in 2015 (MSV and ESB), and are lining up a top 10 NFL RB. They still have an All-Pro level LT to go with it. With the new rules, this should be an offensive juggernaut.
2015 was as much on the personnel side as the coaching. There are no excuses for 2018. Literally every position they are lining up with on offense is equal to or, in many cases, better than the it was in 2015.
∧∧ ∧This. Playcalling may be the same, but got more out of less in 2015. ∧∧∧
MichiganPacker posted:2015 was as much on the personnel side as the coaching. There are no excuses for 2018.
I see both as slumps that really can't be explained and have trouble connecting either one to coaching. MM's stale and predictable offense with its lack of innovation and AR's poor play strike me as two different issues.
PackerHawk posted:Might be the dumbest excuse to date.
Well thank you for that ....... i’m Sorry for even thinking he might have some compassion for all who have died and lost everything they own because of those fires. So sorry for even thinking he might have possibly know some of them.
I'm sure he has plenty of compassion for all who have died and lost everything they own because of those fires.
I'm also sure it has nothing to do with the results on the field.
Brainwashed Boris posted:Fires aren't the reason. Not even close. Rodgers home(s) is/are in Green Bay & LA - he doesn't live in Chico anymore. He has insurance. Something tells me even if his house burned down, he'd be ok.
Everyone knows HC's have a shelf life. Usually 8-10 years is it. This is year 13 for MM.
I'm all about continuity but as a HC you need to evolve & be dynamic. MM has done neither & thinks we can still run 2010-2011 offensive scheme's.
Sean Payton shows what a HC can do by growing, and I don't mean in girth. They are another team though that wasted a HOF QB with bad defenses. Maybe they can grab another SB this season?
Have to laugh recalling any number of posters here counting the NO pick as a top 5. Duh!
excalibur posted:Have to laugh recalling any number of posters here counting the NO pick as a top 5. Duh!
Got any names to go with this or just a little fake news?
I think the sentiment was if Brees missed significant time, it would be a high pick.
EC Pack posted:I think the sentiment was if Brees missed significant time, it would be a high pick.
I thought it might be top 10 especially after that first game
YATittle posted:EC Pack posted:I think the sentiment was if Brees missed significant time, it would be a high pick.
I thought it might be top 10 especially after that first game
Unfortunately we still have a shot for a top 10. 
One day soon Charles Woodson is going to text Nick Collins and ask him if he remembers what happened the last time Chicago won the division.
Seems like such a long time ago.
excalibur posted:Brainwashed Boris posted:Fires aren't the reason. Not even close. Rodgers home(s) is/are in Green Bay & LA - he doesn't live in Chico anymore. He has insurance. Something tells me even if his house burned down, he'd be ok.
Everyone knows HC's have a shelf life. Usually 8-10 years is it. This is year 13 for MM.
I'm all about continuity but as a HC you need to evolve & be dynamic. MM has done neither & thinks we can still run 2010-2011 offensive scheme's.
Sean Payton shows what a HC can do by growing, and I don't mean in girth. They are another team though that wasted a HOF QB with bad defenses. Maybe they can grab another SB this season?
Have to laugh recalling any number of posters here counting the NO pick as a top 5. Duh!
Don’t remember people thinking this when they posted back to back 7-9 seasons with Brees.
I mean I agree Payton has adjusted eventually, it just took him 8 years to do so. Or maybe they finally lucked into some good picks . As been stated, the product of the NFL has been pretty inconsistent the last decade. The only consistent has really been NE.
NO didn't luck into good picks. They picked higher in the draft after the sub .500 seasons.
The difference between 2015 and today is the OL. AR is under a lot more pressure this year and less mobile to boot.
This. GB needs to go long on OL in the draft and solidify the right side. If Stuffed Jebediah crawls out of whatever it is he's dealing with in time for camp it's a bonus. Not counting on it. But it would certainly help.
Proud of his effort there. I hope other millionaires in California do the same.
Sounds like the fires have certainly been on his mind, doubt it's a distraction though.
Mike McCarthy on Aaron Rodgers’ $1 million donation to help California fire victims: “He’s so much more than just our quarterback. I know the fire has been constantly on his mind. We talk about it pretty much every day. What he’s doing is tremendous.... https://t.co/hP1qqRSRaz
— Rob Demovsky (@RobDemovsky) November 21, 2018
Just as possible he has talked to his parents, and the brothers (all 3) are the ones not speaking to each other.
What we know of AR, I'd take him for one who loves his mother but could easily say f**k off to a brother.
Hungry5 posted:Just as possible he has talked to his parents, and the brothers (all 3) are the ones not speaking to each other.
What we know of AR, I'd take him for one who loves his mother but could easily say f**k off to a brother.
"Immediate family members don't even have his cellphone number. When Mom and Dad sent Christmas presents to the quarterback and his girlfriend that year, the source said, those gifts were mailed back in February. He was set to be the groomsman in the wedding of one of his closest friends, the source said, and texted the day before he couldn't attend.
He didn't attend his grandfather's funeral—the same grandfather he once called before every game.
He fired a business manager he's known since high school.
The family was told they were no longer welcome in Green Bay. If Dad wants to attend a game now, he buys tickets on StubHub or goes through another player's family."
https://bleacherreport.com/art...er-the-packers-need#
slowmo posted:Hungry5 posted:Just as possible he has talked to his parents, and the brothers (all 3) are the ones not speaking to each other.
What we know of AR, I'd take him for one who loves his mother but could easily say f**k off to a brother.
"Immediate family members don't even have his cellphone number. When Mom and Dad sent Christmas presents to the quarterback and his girlfriend that year, the source said, those gifts were mailed back in February. He was set to be the groomsman in the wedding of one of his closest friends, the source said, and texted the day before he couldn't attend.
He didn't attend his grandfather's funeral—the same grandfather he once called before every game.
He fired a business manager he's known since high school.
The family was told they were no longer welcome in Green Bay. If Dad wants to attend a game now, he buys tickets on StubHub or goes through another player's family."
https://bleacherreport.com/art...er-the-packers-need#
Crap......I hate to hear this stuff.....like he really doesn’t need this stuff to deal with as well. This is not good.
That piece by Dunne is two years old.
Packers donate $250,000 to California wildfire relief fund
michiganjoe posted:That piece by Dunne is two years old.
Packers donate $250,000 to California wildfire relief fund
True. Appears to accurately describe the situation today.
Don't know if it accurately described the situation then, now, or in 5 years. Does it really matter?
His brothers seem to spend a lot of time, or have in the past, publicly badmouthing him while he says nothing. I get the feeling he’s probably not the problem in this situation. Also someone on twitter pointed out his parents live 20 miles outside the evacuation zone.
I will say his legacy is two parts. who he is as a player and who he is as a man. he has excelled in both spots, if the brother crap proves true, which nobody really knows if its a pissed off brother...but if its AR, that will ruin his legacy in my books. Every guy knows nobody loves you like your mom...i think about if my son had that kind of ignorance with my wife, and that would not be a good life for sure. We have seen little pieces of this with his old gf, but always put as she was the problem. if in fact he hasn't talked to his parents, take the advice of another guy I admire: family, God, the GBP...