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OK, I realize many here are over it already. Congratulations for being more psychologically fit than I am. But I am a man with a DVR and sitting on it like a cancer was both the pregame show and the Jan. 15 game itself. I went back over to the dark side to see if I could learn anything. Feel free to ignore, ridicule or gloss over these observations:
--In the pregame show, Bradshaw (who, like all but Strahan, picked the Pack to win) was talking about Rodgers not playing significant downs for almost a month. “If he’s rusty early, you’ll see the ball sailing high.” Kind of like on the missed TD pass to the wide open Jennings on the first drive. That would have put the Pack up 7-3, and I think it’s a completely different game.
--Announcers said early they expected to see trap blitzes used against Eli forcing him to throw right into coverage like Charles Woodson. Didn’t happen much. Bishop and Hawk sometimes, Bush a time or two, but not much.
--Before the game, Troy insisted the Giants running game was going to be the difference, but other than that moronic run right before the Hail Mary TD, the Packer D stuffed them.
--MONSTER game from Desmond Bishop, and pretty good from Ryan Pickett. So did Driver, though getting covered by a linebacker helped.
--Bad day for the refs. 12 men in the huddle not called on that first third down despite MM’s rantings, the Jennings fumble in regular motion looked like his cheek was down, the other replays were inconclusive until they found that ONE camera angle that sure made it look like the ball came out. They missed a forearm to the helmet of Finley that was an obvious early call. I thought the roughing call on Rodgers was legit as their helmets did hit.
--The Pack played like a team so overconfident that they thought they merely had to show up to advance, kind of like that Packer team in the Super Bowl loss to Denver. Giants were going to hit him hard and let the chips fall where they may. No sense of urgency on offense. “We’ve got this.” No they didn’t.
--Packers can’t play zone pass defense with current personnel. We were rushing three and inexplicably dropping our LBs into a shallow zone. Did they think ELI was a running threat? Trying to take away the crossing routes? Not sure what the thinking was.
--Woodson is done. I know I’ll get torched for this but all season long he was responsible for missed tackles, coverage mistakes, slipping on the field, etc., and he laid a big egg here. Everyone wants to blame Peprah, and his lame armless tackle attempt on the first TD as well as pathetic misplaying of the play on the Hail Mary surely made him a goat, but Woodson had his worst game as a Packer.
--Bradshaw’s blitz pickup was awesome. Starks is awful.
--We had several opportunities to seize momentum, but as the mistakes piled up (Kuhn fumbled, forced not by an opponent but by running into Beluga?) it seemed almost everyone was pressing, most notably Rodgers. He’s usually a cool customer. But for all the publicity about the receiver drops, sometimes the balls weren’t put where they needed to be. He had Nelson open deep and usually throws it to hit him in stride. Instead the ball is shot, Nelson has to stop and play DB to prevent an INT. After the blocked field goal, I thought we’d get the upper hand. After the Burnett INT, I thought we’d take it. After the first score in the second half, I thought we’d go up. But it was always something.
--Crabtree’s drop of that first down pass was an absolute killer. We were marching to the end zone.
--MM was off his usual game. Not adjusting to the Bradshaw run revealed just after he called time out with 15 second left in the first half was a more boneheaded play than the onside kick attempt. Once the time out was over, they were still in the three man DL. Matthews lost backside contain on that play. To negate the pass rush, more rollouts and screen passes might have helped on offense.
--Newhouse wasn’t too bad when subbing for Clifton, though Jason Pierre Paul kept griping about being held, and I think Cliffy did get away with a few.
--Starks was horrible at the start, missing blitz pickup, dropping passes, even not taking the ball from Rodgers on a running play. He was a big part of the failed drive in the last two minutes of the first half. He later lost what would have been a running TD by letting a CB who didn’t have the angle on him force him to the middle of the field instead of sprinting down the sideline.
--Shields needs to learn to tackle. But he had a lot of company.
I don’t recommend this form of therapy for the faint-hearted, but it has put me at peace. I am still boycotting the Super Bowl, however, and hope the Patriots STOMP the Giants, if only to keep them from winning their fourth Super Bowl and tying us in that category.
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Originally posted by YATittle:
I don’t recommend this form of therapy for the faint-hearted, but it has put me at peace. I am still boycotting the Super Bowl, however, and hope the Patriots STOMP the Giants, if only to keep them from winning their fourth Super Bowl and tying us in that category.


Sounds like you're anything but at peace.
I don't get when people say they're gonna boycott the SB. Not picking on you specifically, as I know a lot of people who are saying this. My BIL, for instance,is a Niner fan. He swears he's not watching it because "I hate the Mannings, and the Patriots are cheaters". Either that, or he's still butthurt that the Giants beat his team last week...

Funny how the SB is still the highest watched television event year after year with all these people boycotting it.
We got convincingly trounced in every aspect of the game.

I got over it in the 3rd quarter. Fumbles, drops, missed tackles, Hail Mary after we call a time out- WTF. We mailed it in and didn't deserve to win.
By the way, I think I recall folks saying we can't impact the team, so why bother not being over it? (Which is kind of weird anyway, as if that was the reason for feeling lousy anyway.)

BUT, I guess quantum mechanics is finding out things found out by eastern mystics and one thing is that our thoughts and feelings DO influence the universe.

Yes, our very thoughts and feelings OF the Packers INFLUENCE the Packers, at least if some quantum physicists have their say.

So maybe the Cubbies never will win it!
I never watched the game.

The family and I were at the family cabin where there was no TV or Internet. I set the DVR to record and I figured I'd check the final score on my phone when I knew it would be over. Then I'd watch it the next night after I got home.

About 15 minutes after I figured the game was over, I ran around the cabin trying to get the score on my phone through the extended network. It was painfully slow, but it eventually came through. It was quite a shocking end to what was turning out to be an amazing season. Ruined my night and the entire weekend, although I tried to make sure that my pi$$y mood didn't ruin everybody else's fun.

Got home the next day and caught up on what went wrong via Timesfour. Put the kids to bed at 8:00 and parked it in front of the TV....but I couldn't get myself to turn the game on.

I kept the game on the DVR for a few days, but after that I realized that I didn't want to see it....so I deleted it.

I feel like a bad Packers fan for not watching the game, and I'm sure that this game will be discussed in the future much like the 4th and 26 game, but I needed this season to be over.

Not that it helps, but at least I can look forward to a low-stress Super Bowl. I despise each team equally, but I think I'd rather see the Patriots win. Screw Eli and his 4th quarter heroics....where is he for the first three quarters of every game?
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Funny how the SB is still the highest watched television event year after year with all these people boycotting it.

That's the people who watch the SB and nothing else all season, and aren't much of fans of football. What do you think the [expletive deleted] halftime show is for?

Along the same lines, didn't one of the x4 posters who went to the game last year report seeing quite a few "fans" who had obviously just bought their team gear because the price tags were still attached?
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Originally posted by bdplant:
... Screw Eli and his 4th quarter heroics....where is he for the first three quarters of every game?


Agreed. Listened to Mike and Mike the other morning and they were raving about Eli. Jaws comes on and they mention that "Eli's been on fire" and what's your take? Jaws hemmed and hawed a bit and then comes out with the fact that the one stat he watches and tracks is "should have been intercepted passes." By Jaws' count, there were at least three Eli got away with against the Niners. He basically said Eli's had a horseshoe in a lot of games this year -- and he's right.

Want to see the Gnats get whomped, if anything else, to shut up the Eli worshipers. He hasn't passed his brother, and he's not a top five guy. He's the flavor of the moment in the ESpin machine.
Good point Fandame! The Niners were FIGHTING with each other over those INTs and that's why they were dropped. He throws a lot of stupid balls. The thing is I'm not sure the Pats D can force him to toss those. He didn't throw many against us at Lambeau.
On Eli - yeah, good point on the almost INT's. I think Manning also benefits from having receivers that he can sometimes throw the ball in their vicinity - almost like megatron. They get up and grab it.

If the Packers played like they were capable, it wouldn't have been close. Possibly the same with the 9'ers.
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Originally posted by phaedrus:
On Eli - yeah, good point on the almost INT's. I think Manning also benefits from having receivers that he can sometimes throw the ball in their vicinity - almost like megatron. They get up and grab it.


Packer have receivers that can make plays as well.

Eli throws the football.

AR takes a sack and loses yardage on 4th down because he is afraid he might throw an interception 20 yards downfield.
Maybe what's most frustrating about that game was as bad as the Pack had played all day, if Rodgers and Finley connect on that 3rd down pass early in the 4th quarter, it's likely a tie ball game at that point or at the very least the Pack hits a FG to pull within 4.

I'll sound like Rodgers homer on that play, but I remember reading after the game, one coach said that Finley indeed did not run the route they way it was expected to be run which didn't help matters any. It was something about Finley cutting the route off short. Just an awful time to have a miscommunication like that, and that symbolized the game where the Pack often was sloppy and not in synch.

Pretty much after that play in the 4th Quarter, it all fell apart. The Giants increased the lead to 10 after getting the ball next, then Grant fumbled which essentially sealed the game and turned it into an ugly affair for the final few minutes.
On the Finley play, I think you can look at it a couple ways.

One, the route and ball placement. Two, the velocity of the pass.

What the hell was Rodgers doing throwing a frigging thunderbolt for? Totally uncalled for and a kind of pass that ratchets up the probability it will not be caught.

It was one of many frustrating moments and for me, the main thing was that Rodgers threw that ball way too hard - and unnecessarily so.
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Originally posted by phaedrus:
What the hell was Rodgers doing throwing a frigging thunderbolt for? Totally uncalled for and a kind of pass that ratchets up the probability it will not be caught.


The bottom line is, Rodgers and Finley had a miscommunication at a very bad time. The only thing I can say in defense of Rodgers is if he thought Finley was going to be further downfield, he thought he was going to need more juice on the throw. Just a terrible terrible play by the Pack that symbolized a pathetic day where they beat themselves at almost every turn.
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The Niners were FIGHTING with each other over those INTs and that's why they were dropped.


Another way to look at those missed INT's because of collision: the passes were so bad (thrown into coverage) that 2 DEFENDERS both had easy shots at the ball.
my goodness...

blowing Eli on a Packer message board ?

Your Packer Fan Card is currently suspended pending a full review (including a cavity search)





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BUT, I guess quantum mechanics is finding out things found out by eastern mystics and one thing is that our thoughts and feelings DO influence the universe.

Wow! You really are Robert Pirsig. I am impressed and honored.
and.... the Pack will be Back. I'm feelin it.

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