how bout yu eat a damn salad
Lol its hella funny when i say something bout mcdonalds or fast food and ppl hit me talkin bout eat a salad lol. Like damn bro i cant have a mcgriddle every once in a while lol, how bout yu eat a damn salad
— Kevin King (@King_kevvoo) July 15, 2020
I bet that’s funny in English too.
Effing great. Our starting CB has turned into Eddie Lacy!?!?!?
Blair Keil, you should teach high school English today. That's a B+
So this is what our NFL season has come to - a discussion of salad vs "The Nugget Farm". 
Ochocinco existed almost exclusively on McDonald's and Popeye's when he played. Let the brother eat!
I was hoping for Watt but totally understood the CB need at the time. No offense to Ladarious Gunter, but when he’s your top CB, your ceiling as a team is limited as the Pack discovered in 2016.
I like Kevin King. But I like him a lot less when he can't get/stay on the field. Which, unfortunately, is often in his short career.
https://packerswire.usatoday.c...da51cbb61b721acb21b7
Analysis with film clips.
MVS of the D.
Gets thrown at quite a bit because of his teammate on the other side. Not a horrible overall player but some team will likely overpay for his services.
His length, speed, and physicality should keep him closer to the LOS
Here's a prime example of Bad KK. Was this him or the D call?
Where’s the aggressiveness? pic.twitter.com/0NBFBX9Dne
— Brandon Carwile (@PackerScribe) January 6, 2021
5 yards off him as he catches the ball just past the first down marker. Criminally stupid.
He had Allen Robinson 1on1 with no help behind him/single high S. He was afraid of getting beat over the top.
He made up for it by his exceptional effort at making the tackle.
@DH13 posted:He had Allen Robinson 1on1 with no help behind him/single high S. He was afraid of getting beat over the top.
Sort of.
Its a strategic decision when you're playing a limited QB like Trubisky.
The only way trubs is going to beat you is by getting lucky going over the top.
So what you do is give him the easy layup and he'll take it. You'll notice that King doesn't disguise his off location, he's basically yelling " Over here, Mitch !"
You'll also note how Robinson reacts to that off alignment, by cutting off his route and taking the short completion.
...then later in the game, you show it to him again and jump it
Forcing Mitch to string together a 10 play drive is smart - as penalties, turnovers and missed throws are highly likely to kill the drive
Now, you can't use that tactic as much against "good" QBs in the playoffs but when you're the DC and have the top offense in the league, its not an unreasonable strategy. Guard against the deep stuff... by offering up a layup.
It drives fans bananas, but there's a reason for it.
Don't confuse us with the facts. 
Kevin King should be "Richard Sherman-ing" every WR. Jam the hell out of them & play physical.
Hopeful they have been saving these tweaks to the defense for teams like the Bucs who have a good QB.
I don't think there is any doubt, if KK plays the jam, Pettine is going to have to ensure Savage or Amos is back there helping out, over the top, just in case.
Will Glass Joe play in the NFCC?
@Satori posted:Sort of.
Its a strategic decision when you're playing a limited QB like Trubisky.
The only way trubs is going to beat you is by getting lucky going over the top.
So what you do is give him the easy layup and he'll take it. You'll notice that King doesn't disguise his off location, he's basically yelling " Over here, Mitch !"You'll also note how Robinson reacts to that off alignment, by cutting off his route and taking the short completion.
...then later in the game, you show it to him again and jump itForcing Mitch to string together a 10 play drive is smart - as penalties, turnovers and missed throws are highly likely to kill the drive
Now, you can't use that tactic as much against "good" QBs in the playoffs but when you're the DC and have the top offense in the league, its not an unreasonable strategy. Guard against the deep stuff... by offering up a layup.
It drives fans bananas, but there's a reason for it.
Well said. It’s been their strategy all year. It doesn’t matter if you stay balanced, methodically drive the ball and have the ball 40 minutes a game if you only score 20 points when Rodgers is scoring 35 in 20 minutes.
That’s not logical.
More possessions for the #1 ranked offense = more points. You get more possessions by creating turnovers or getting off the field fast on defense. You get off the field fast by giving up explosive play over the top or forcing a 3 and out.
Id rather see our D go zero coverage 80% of the time and force the track meet. Plus, our strength on D is pass rush and secondary.
Reminds me of Tyrone Williams in 1998. Always 10 yards off.
At its worst, the Pettine defensive scheme forces teams to go string together long drives and waits for the offense to make a mistake to get off schedule. Good QBs make a lot fewer mistakes.
You know when the Pettine scheme looks really good? When a 4 man rush gets home. Generating pressure with 4 guys beats almost anybody. That's why the 2007 Giants beat that Patriot juggernaut in the Super Bowl. Reggie White in Super Bowl 31. The 2011 Giants.
If R. Gary, Z. Smith, P. Smith, and Kenny Clark can generate pressure consistently tomorrow, the Packers probably win in a runaway. If they don't, it's a close game. I don't think the Packers are going to get blown out.
It seems fitting to this franchise that King, who was drafted instead of T J W a t t, is now an unrestricted free agent who the Packers will get nothing for except an NFFC loss on his way out the door.
@SteveLuke posted:Excellent selection by TT & he picked up a 4th rounder to boot.
Hope KK turns out to be a better player than our 1st & 2nd round CBs from 2015 have shown thus far.
What an idiot this guy was for celebrating the selection of King when JJ Watt's brother was still on the board.
At least the idiot correctly sensed that Randall and Rollins were already busts after their second seasons in GB.
And to be fair to King, while he was often injured and certainly never better than average, he definitely had a better Packer career than either Randall or Rollins (neither of whom were in GB after year 3).
That first scouting report really nailed it "play speed is of concern / sluggish feet". King doesn't come close to showing the athleticism on the field that his combine numbers would suggest. On top of that I don' get the sense that he's grown up much. Saw an interview with him a couple of weeks ago & was not impressed,
King wasn’t a terrible player but he saved his worst game or at least one of his worst games for his last game as a Packer. I think if he at least gets a bump on 175 lb. Scotty Miller he doesn’t get beat on that final play before the half. But he let a guy with 4.3 speed sprint unimpeded to the end zone and he doesn’t have the catchup speed to make up for that. Everything about that play was a disaster by Pettine, King, the safeties.... just awful.
I wonder if the back was an issue all game. Not that you could tell because yesterday's performance wasn't that much different than usual for him but he had no room to spare in doing his job and a back issue may have just sunk him.
@DH13 posted:I wonder if the back was an issue all game. Not that you could tell because yesterday's performance wasn't that much different than usual for him but he had no room to spare in doing his job and a back issue may have just sunk him.
King's biggest gaffe yesterday, the play before the half, was due to what is or is not between the ears.
Now, whether his bad back contributed to his pathetic overall play or to what extent it contributed is unknown.
What is known is that King had significant injury issues before he was drafted, he missed a lot of games due to injury during his 4-year run in GB, and he unsurprisingly popped up on the injury report on Friday with yet another malady.
King has good size, but he lacks speed. He is not a press cover guy, is not very physical, is a poor tackler, and, of course, is often injured. He earned his 55.7 PFF grade in 2020.
Arians is a shoot-from-the-lip guy, but he said after the game that TB knew they had the TD on the end of the half play when they lined MIller up against King.
With the Pack is up against the cap, the Kevin King era in Green Bay should and very likely did end with yesterday's loss to the Bucs in the NFC Championship game.
Thanks to King's bad performance on a national stage coupled with his ongoing health issues, not to mention everyone's shrinking cap space, it will be a miracle if King is offered much more then a one year prove-it deal.
I just can't see any team, even the ones with moronic owners, throwing him any kind of significant guaranteed money. Simply too much health risk and he crapped the bed in an NFCC game.
@packerboi posted:Thanks to King's bad performance on a national stage coupled with his ongoing health issues, not to mention everyone's shrinking cap space, it will be a miracle if King is offered much more then a one year prove-it deal.
I just can't see any team, even the ones with moronic owners, throwing him any kind of significant guaranteed money. Simply too much health risk and he crapped the bed in an NFCC game.
Good point and one I had not really contemplated.
Who knows, maybe King goes the way of HaHa and Damarious and just fades out of the league altogether in another year or two (I know Randall was on Seattle's practice squad but he really did not get much playing time ... on his 4th team in 4 years).
If King does simply fade way a la HaHa and Randall it would make for a pretty remarkable showing (and not in a good way) for our top draft picks (all in the secondary) from 2014, 2015, and 2017.
Chris Conte is finally chuckling. Sort of.
@packerboi posted:Thanks to King's bad performance on a national stage coupled with his ongoing health issues, not to mention everyone's shrinking cap space, it will be a miracle if King is offered much more then a one year prove-it deal.
I just can't see any team, even the ones with moronic owners, throwing him any kind of significant guaranteed money. Simply too much health risk and he crapped the bed in an NFCC game.
I think the health risk is the bigger issue. When healthy, the guy is an average NFL DB. Look at the difference yesterday between the two teams. TB sits Winfield, Jr. down after a pre-game workout shows he's not healthy enough.
King does a long workout and they decide to play him. I would bet if it was a regular-season game he sits. I would bet if they trusted Josh Jackson at all, King sits. The decision is different because TB trusts their DB depth and Josh Jackson has been toasted constantly.
King is getting roasted this morning and playing that game probably cost him a lot of money, but what if he was playing at 75% and gutting it out? If they didn't play him, they were desperate enough to bring Tramon in and likely play him over Josh Jackson. A soon-to-be 38-year-old DB was a better option.
The sad thing is that even ancient Tramon probably gives them a better chance to win yesterday. There is ZERO chance he gets beat over the top on the last play of the first half. ZERO. He might have given up a 10 yard out, but he was not going to make that type of mistake.
The Packers outplayed the Bucs (even with the OL getting overrun) for most of the game because they had the much better QB and they stopped the run. Outside of one Fournette run (immediately after the lob that Savage failed to knock down), the Bucs ran for 56 yards on 23 carries.
The Bucs scoring drives after the first drive were all set up by major mistakes or freak plays. Savage misjudges a lob down the middle. Redmond drops an easy lob interception before King gets toasted on the last play of the half. Aaron Jones fumbles. That's 3 TD drives and if any of those don't happen, the Packers likely win.
The Packers didn't get easy points on any drive (the three Brady interceptions all happened where the Packers started in their own territory (32, 24, and 19 yard lines). Their special teams were below average, but didn't really make any fatal mistakes. They averaged 4.2 yards per carry on the ground. Just like the Seattle game, they should have won.
@SteveLuke posted:King's biggest gaffe yesterday, the play before the half, was due to what is or is not between the ears.
Now, whether his bad back contributed to his pathetic overall play or to what extent it contributed is unknown.
What is known is that King had significant injury issues before he was drafted, he missed a lot of games due to injury during his 4-year run in GB, and he unsurprisingly popped up on the injury report on Friday with yet another malady.
But knowing that (and more importantly knowing how bad Josh Jackson was), they decided that having the QB of the future and guys to replace Aaron Jones and M. Lewis with in 2021 was more important than adding depth to the defensive backfield or drafting a guy in the front 7 that could help put more pressure on the QB to make it easier on their defensive backfield.
It would have been nice to have another WR, but MVS was great yesterday and Lazard was fine. Losing Bakh really hurt, but they had decent depth (you are not going to replace a HOF LT with anything close to the same caliber player). In other words, they were shown to be correct in terms of trusting their offensive talent was good enough.
It was the failure to do anything other than swap out Blake Martinez for Kirksey from last year that really stings.
King played pretty well this year as a starter opposite Alexander. I’ve been as hard on the guy as anyone, but if he did get dinged in practice I have to believe he wasn’t close to 100%. I mean, he was bad yesterday. Like Josh Jackson or Quentin Rollins bad. It didn’t help matters that Sullivan was worse and Redmond and Summers got plenty of snaps as well and you know a saavy vet like Brady will see that and exploit them with the passing game.
Just too many defensive breakdowns to overcome and some guys like Turner and Wagner just got beat. It happens. Losing Aaron Jones didn’t help at all given his versatility. Barnes and Martin as well.
Yet what I don’t understand is why no Tramon Williams? Why no Tavon Austin? I mean, did Snacks get any reps?
