The Packers today.
@Herschel posted:That's like saying the Clap is the best STI. Sure, it's not herpes, but you're still peeing fire.
Disagree. The defense did more than their share to win this game. Six points probably wins you nine out of ten games if not ten of ten. Once again, they were put in terrible positions all night. Once again, they held off surges and preserved a piss poor lead until they couldn't any longer. None of this mess falls on them.
So, at the end of the day, Keke Kingsley gets the last laugh.
Andy Herman posted this screenshot of the desperation heave to Adams in which he says it shows Lazard wide open for the first (believe it's actually Jones and a national reporter said right after the play that he was open).
Believe the all-22 is going to show what we've seen in the past from AR- opportunities were there and for whatever reason he just didn't pull the trigger (agree the WR group needs an upgrade but the two aren't mutually exclusive).
@artis posted:Disagree. The defense did more than their share to win this game. Six points probably wins you nine out of ten games if not ten of ten. Once again, they were put in terrible positions all night. Once again, they held off surges and preserved a piss poor lead until they couldn't any longer. None of this mess falls on them.
"More than their share" would have been making a stop on the final drive and the offense or special teams giving up a TD in overtime. They had a chance to bail the team out and they failed.
I thought I saw that on the replay on the heave to Adamâs. Very much a Giants NFC Championship game flashback.
@Blair Kiel posted:1) I was over the loss the very moment the kick went through.
2) Because if the Packer front office as well as LaFleur is so blind to what we dum dums could see coming with special teams all year...why should I invest any emotional well-being in that failure? They are the idiots...not me.
To be fair, you're an idiot too, just not for that reason. 
A true Packer fan, I love a defensive battle with great clock management. Blocked kicks are fun. That game had everything.
Ben Fennell posted the desperation heave to Adams and it was Lazard wide open on the play.
RSGOAT canât see everything
@Timpranillo posted:Tom Brady doesnât lose that game.
I feel the same way as you. And yet I will also say this, I don't think Tom Brady at any point in his career ever played with some of the inept defensive and special teams performances that Rodgers has had to overcome.
I agree with you though, I think Tom Brady has a mental toughness that is unmatched at the QB position with Joe Montana being the only other guy I have seen that is in his league from that perspective. Rodgers has plenty of mental toughness, but he is not in the class of those guys who really truly had ice water in their veins when facing tough situations.
@michiganjoe posted:Ben Fennell posted the desperation heave to Adams and it was Lazard wide open on the play.
That is pretty damning. ESB was open as well. He threw to the worst option. Definitely didnât consider anything but heaving it to Adams.
Wash, rinse, repeat
Cold comfort but at least the loss saves us from another NFCCG loss at home to TB2.
@Henry posted:At least for awhile. The real question is if the leadership can get the Packers out.
No, they canât. Honestly, agree with you completely about Murphy and Russ Ball. I just disagree with you about Rodgers.
@NedFlanders posted:So, at the end of the day, Keke Kingsley gets the last laugh.
I looked at getting rid of him just a few days before the game as a really bad omen. It kind of made me think there was some real chaos going on behind the scenes. Getting rid of Keke itself wasn't a bad move necessarily, but the timing of it was very weird and just seemed like a bad time to weaken a position that was already weak to begin with.
You combine that lack of stability with basically starting a brand new O-Line that hasn't had a chance to work together and it was just sort of a recipe for a shaky performance.
@Timpranillo posted:That is pretty damning. ESB was open as well. He threw to the worst option. Definitely didnât consider anything but heaving it to Adams.
I felt he was trying to get a PI call.
Nijman not starting at LT was a mistake too.
@vitaflo posted:Holding the ball too long to try and force feed it to Adams didn't work. It didn't work this year and it didn't work last year in the NFCCG. I get it, Adams is the best WR in the league but
Please tell me again how Rodgers is so smart? Brady has more intelligence in his little pinky than this blowhard will ever have.
@Goalline posted:Please tell me again how Rodgers is so smart? Brady has more intelligence in his little pinky than this blowhard will ever have.
Rodgers is plenty smart, but Brady has a quicker mind. Brady can progress from guy to guy instantly where Rodgers needs a little more time, and when he doesn't get that time you see what you saw yesterday.
@13X posted:Another huge fail. LaFluer is Marty Shottenheimer and 12 is a great regular season QB but is average in the post season. A 5 year old kid could have told the management team mid-season that a change was needed with the special teams coach and yet this FO did nothing and it cost them the season today. Incompetence has been accepted with this (lack of) leadership team. Not sure where to even go from here.
Yup. Thatâs why MLF is just as shit as MM in my book now.
We all knew Zook was gonna fuck us. MM stayed loyal too long. Then Seattle happened.
We all knew Mo was gonna fuck us. MLF stayed loyal too long. Then SF happened.
Those horrendous failures of leadership trump anything else they accomplished save for MM winning it once. When Rodgers leaves, no way MLF wins one here. This leads me to the conclusion that MLF is a bigger failure than MM.
@Timpranillo posted:That is pretty damning. ESB was open as well. He threw to the worst option. Definitely didnât consider anything but heaving it to Adams.
He pulled a "Favre" on last pass a Packer ... threw to most covered guy of all options.
@FLPACKER posted:He pulled a "Favre" on last pass a Packer ... threw to most covered guy of all options.
Somewhere in Mississippi a man is laughing
@BrainDed posted:Yup. Thatâs why MLF is just as shit as MM in my book now.
We all knew Zook was gonna fuck us. MM stayed loyal too long. Then Seattle happened.
We all knew Mo was gonna fuck us. MLF stayed loyal too long. Then SF happened.
Those horrendous failures of leadership trump anything else they accomplished save for MM winning it once. When Rodgers leaves, no way MLF wins one here. This leads me to the conclusion that MLF is a bigger failure than MM.
It was Slocum not Zook in Seattle.
The Pack promoted Zook to take Slocumâs place after the 2014 NFCC STs debacle in Seattle.
Just like the Pack promoted Drayton after firing Mennenga.
They are all the same, just a different clown suit.
@fightphoe93 posted:Rodgers is plenty smart, but Brady has a quicker mind. Brady can progress from guy to guy instantly where Rodgers needs a little more time, and when he doesn't get that time you see what you saw yesterday.
Iâm not impressed.
@FLPACKER posted:He pulled a "Favre" on last pass a Packer ... threw to most covered guy of all options.
This play was huge - 3rd and 11 with ~3:30 left. Rodgers clearly predetermined this, as Lazard breaks wide open over the middle and the other WR had single coverage and a step (needed to throw away from the safety, who was keying Adams). Maybe the game right there https://t.co/TSupsFTjSz
â Chris B. Brown (@smartfootball) January 23, 2022
12 CHOCKS agin!
Rodgers is always praised for his ability to check down and find the open receiver. Yet last night he only went to Adams. The last play was a perfect example. Lazard was wide open. He also threw a crappy pass to Jones on first and goal
He underperformed again in a playoff game. Playoff games âownâ Rodgers. Perhaps SB 45 was a fluke.
the whole narrative that the cold weather provided green bay an advantage in this game was wrong.
@YATittle posted:I felt he was trying to get a PI call.
Think it's something we've seen before: he stops playing within the system and goes into sandlot mode.
@michiganjoe posted:Think it's something we've seen before: he stops playing within the system and goes into sandlot mode.
I agree. An overlooked point about when he as at his best in the MM era (really 2011) is that he trusted every WR and TE he had to make plays.
He had Jennings, Nelson, Driver, Cobb. James Jones was his 5th best WR. Finley was the TE. Every one of those guys created a mismatch one on one.
He missed some open guys last night, but the lack of trust in practice squad-level talent guys like ESB, DeGuara, Daffney, Lazard, and this version of Cob to get separation consistently leads him to lock onto Adams. It's still a big weakness of his and he deserves criticism for it, but I can see the thought process of "if I'm going to lose, I'm going to do it throwing to the best WR in the NFL and not some scrubs." Adams did have a chance at that heave - and if they are playing in a dome I bet he comes down with it. You just weren't going to consistently make any plays deep downfield with the weather conditions last night.
I was able to put all of this (the Favre/Rodgers era) in perspective while trying to console my sobbing 12 y/o son last night.
Which is worse? Getting your heart broken because of wasted opportunities or never having opportunities in the first place? Iâll take tough losses over never/rarely playing in games that matter.
This one hurts. For me, itâs mainly because it feels like the end of an era. Who knows what happens with AR or any number of our players. However, my opinion is that we arenât going to become the Jets/jags/loins.
Many of the criticisms from last night/today might be valid. However, I think MLF is a good coach. His biggest fault was letting our STs become a liability. To say heâll never win a SB might be true, but this is the same guy that got us to 2 NFCC games, 3 NFCN championships, and has gone 13-3/13-3/13-4 in his first 3 years of being a head coach.
I guess the future of this franchise is a beautiful mystery.
Of course, one could argue that posting instagram pictures from Hawaii during some of the optional workouts this spring instead of working with those other WRs and TEs wasn't the greatest look and contributed to the lack of chemistry.
@DocBenni posted:I was able to put all of this (the Favre/Rodgers era) in perspective while trying to console my sobbing 12 y/o son last night.
Which is worse? Getting your heart broken because of wasted opportunities or never having opportunities in the first place? Iâll take tough losses over never/rarely playing in games that matter.This one hurts. For me, itâs mainly because it feels like the end of an era. Who knows what happens with AR or any number of our players. However, my opinion is that we arenât going to become the Jets/jags/loins.
Many of the criticisms from last night/today might be valid. However, I think MLF is a good coach. His biggest fault was letting our STs become a liability. To say heâll never win a SB might be true, but this is the same guy that got us to 2 NFCC games, 3 NFCN championships, and has gone 13-3/13-3/13-4 in his first 3 years of being a head coach.
I guess the future of this franchise is a beautiful mystery.
MLF did a great job getting AR back to playing at a HOF level, just like MM did a great job getting Favre back to playing at a HOF level in 2007. Both did great jobs coaching teams with a talented veteran QB. For your optimism to really be warranted Jordan Love has to be good. I haven't completely ruled out hope on that, but let's not kid ourselves. There was nothing about how he played this year that increased your confidence.
We will have to give him about half a season whenever he becomes the starter to really see for sure, though.
Someone should hire Crabtree to be the local Packers beat reporter.
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@michiganjoe posted:Ben Fennell posted the desperation heave to Adams and it was Lazard wide open on the play.
To all the people saying he was only forcing it to Adams cuz the other WRs werenât getting open, wellâĶ
Adams was doubled right from the start of that play and Rodgers locks in on him anyway. Rodgers wasnât being pressured. If he just even glances Lazzards way itâs a 40 yard catch and run easily.
God thatâs infuriating to watch, especially for an MVP.
This game is nothing like how I felt after the Bucks lost to Philly in game 7 in 2001, or when the Badgers (b ball) lost to Duke in 2015, or the Brewers losing to the Dodgers at home in game 7.
I was livid in 2007 and 2014 because Favre was an idiot and gave up in that game and we let Russ Wilson off the hook but Iâm not really all that surprised they lost to SF. All week leading up to this game I was a bit concerned because 1) the Niners strengths are our weaknesses, 2) Shanahan knows MLF too damn well and 3) Robbie Gould is a good kicker in crap conditions.
I should have expected GBs special teams to implode but once you knew Bak couldnât go and they had Turner in at LT and Kelly at RT in retrospect that was a huge blunder. The SF D line worked them over and Rodgers got the classic deer in the headlights and his play backed it up. He played skittish and scared and was wildly inconsistent.