Kevin Greene - leaving the Packers

The QB coach is easy - promote Rodgers to player/coach.

 

Replacing the OLB coach is another story.  Whoever it is I hope they ask him if gap control is important before they hire him.  Just saying .............

If Rodgers were a player/coach, would some of his salary not be counted against the salary cap?

 

 

Really? Pressure from the board?!?! FYI....TT runs the football side of the Packers. Lock, stock & barrel. He has absolute final say in everything football related. He's "God" if you will.

 

It's not a democracy, at some point he will make the call.

<<Many fans scratch their head in amazement why TT doesn't jump into the bidding wars of FA.  It's just not that simple>>

 

TT scratches his head in amazement why the fans aren't satisfied with 1-3 in the playoffs the last 3 years.  The fans know why.

Assumes facts not in evidence.

4 years since our last Super Bowl and TT/MM catch a ton of flak, 10 since the Patriots last Super Bowl yet Belichick is hailed as the best coach in the league and one of the best GMs in the league. Go figure.

Look what Belichick did when Brady got injured versus what happened when AR broke his collarbone.

“If you listen to the fans, you’ll find yourself sitting with them” Philadelphia Eagles football coach Joe Kuharich... Circa 1967.

 

 

That is because droolers and dip****s run the world.  

and When the Pats take their thumping today, Bilichick will fall from the genius category quickly...

Doesn't Capers have grandchildren he needs to spend time with?

If I were to be a smartass, I'd point out that the Pats missed the playoffs that year.  I'd also point out that was the year Capers worked with their defense. 

 

I'd further point out that Belichik the personnel guy loves taking flyers on character issue guys for Belichik the coach.  That's not happening here.

    

The Patriots aren't going 1and out. The Patriots aren't losing home playoff games. The Patriots have been to a couple of super bowls since then.

One playoff win since then against a team with Joe Webb at QB. Not good enough and TT and MM deserve the flak they get.

Well, if TT is really doing the above, my reply is, "Because the defense sucks and Rodger's best years might be tossed in the crapper."

I couldn't possibly disagree more.

 

The team loses Hernandez and Gronkowski.  Welker is gone.  His replacement is oft-injured.  Wilfork goes down.

 

So, what does Bellicheck do?  He absolutely revolutionizes the offense.  What do they have like 4 legit RB's and they probably have the best ground game in the business.

 

Brady loses like 70% of his weapons and here they suddenly have this total change in offensive philosophy.

 

I think Bellicheck deserves coach of the year and by a long shot.

I thought the goal was winning the Super Bowl? So apparently close IS good enough? As long as they have a good showing the playoffs it's okay if they don't win it all?  No, not buying it. Success is measured in Super Bowl wins, close only counts in horseshoes. Losing early or losing late in the playoffs, losing by 3 or by 23, it's exactly the same. You have still lost. If Belichick is a genius even though he has lost in the playoffs 7 consecutive years then McCarthy/Thompson deserve some leeway. At a minimum it illustrates how hard it is to win a SB. If arguably the best coach in the NFL hasn't won a SB in close to a decade, it must be pretty dang hard and every other coach deserves some patience.

GD, c'mon man.

 

The SB goes to 1 out of 32.  1 out of 32.

 

So yer gonna lump the other 31 as being of the same quality level.

I don't know who in their organization picked up Blount--that was nice...and Bilcihik works hard and is a whale of a coach..no doubt---but when he loses today...he won't get much slack---it aint fair but it is the way it is.

and....In comparison--MM loses Jennings, Bulaga, Finley, Cobb for most of the season, what's his name #12 for two months--and is a Miicah Hyde 1/4 of an inch and a trip to average Panther country to being in the same place as Bilichik...I'll take our genius over the cheating ,arrogant, 'I am far too cool for the media that built this stupid league' genius....

 

These pussies would bitch if their ice cream was too cold.  

 

They are successful and champions in everything they do in their personal and professional lives.

 

Never a letdown or mediocrity.  

 

Amazing how the brilliant Bellicheat has not done quite so well since getting his hand caught in the cookie jar. 

 

This isn't about participation trophies it is about Championships.   WHo gives a **** if you made it one more game into the playoffs.   The goal is the Lombardi

Care to name the only coach in the NFL who's managed to get his team to the playoffs for the last 5 years? While leading all NFL teams in games lost to injuries.

 

i don't think enough attention is being paid to how pathetic the AFC is either. Denver and NE had to get past SD and Indy to get to the title game. Not exactly SF, Seattle, NO, or GB. In my opinion SF getting to 3 straight title games in the NFC is more impressive than anything Billy has done recently. SF just can't close the deal. 

 

Keep in mind Peyton was given everything he wanted to become QB of the 49ers but he wanted no part of the NFC even though SF was arguably the strongest roster in football. Up until he **** the bed at home last year against Blatimore he knew he pretty much just had to deal with NE. Smart man. 

       
       


I'm not at all sure how you arrived at that conclusion. Whether you lost in round 1 by 14 or lost in the NFCC by a field goal, you still didn't achieve the ultimate goal. Some of you seem to put a lot of stock in HOW we lose vs HOW Belichick or Harbaugh have lost. There apparently has to be seen kind of respectability in how we lose and I say that is BS. I feel the same if we lose vs the 49ers in round 1 or the Giants in the NFCC. Belichick has lost for 7 straight years, doesn't matter where in the playoffs he lost or how he lost, but we all agree he is still a great coach. Some Packer fans seem to judge their own team harsher and with a different set of standards.

Well, if you extend things to character, it would not surprise me if BB is evil emperor-like in which case I would take the Pack hands down.

 

Regardless, I think it's amazing the Patriots are where they are, Brady being minus his THREE top receivers from least year.

 

That's crazy.

 

Finally, the way the team morphed its playing style and it is a playing style I like.  They really went after having an elite ground game.

 

Hey, comes to think of it, the Packers did too!

More on the Pats.

 

Sometimes losses are so razor thin.  The plays Eli Manning made to deprive the Patriots of two more SB's.  His eluding the rush and passing to that TE and the catch the TE had to make.

 

In the more recent one, that pass Manning threw and the catch that was made - the quality level of that play was way off the charts.  That play ain't made and the Pats have another SB.

 

So...I get it.  It's all about winning it all.  But, my goodness, to fall short of having the Lombardi in ways that are razor thin - that counts for something.

I thought the goal was winning the Super Bowl? So apparently close IS good enough? As long as they have a good showing the playoffs it's okay if they don't win it all?  No, not buying it. Success is measured in Super Bowl wins

 

Disagree.

 

Number of years since your last SB win is equally as dum a criteria.

 

Look at the Pats playoff winning % will Billy B.

Look at the number of division titles.

Look at the 10+ win seasons.

 

I know your really don't believe that all teams who don't win the SB are equal.

 

Some teams, coaches and GMs are better than others, even if they don't win the SB.

 

The Packers are one of the better teams, but they could be even better.

 

I think we all know that.

Link?

I though the Packers were around 7th in the number of games lost to injuries this year.

7th this year. I'm talking about total of games lost to injuries each year since 2009. I'll try and find  the total number.

       
Bill Belichick, of course:

2009: Lost AFC Wild Card game to Baltimore
2010: Lost AFC Divisional game to New York Jets
2011: Lost Super Bowl to New York Giants
2012: Lost AFC Championship game to Baltimore
2013: Playing AFC Championship game at Denver Broncos.

       
       


Thanks Jon!

When you're wrong you're wrong....

 

Theres no single link of running totals but since 2009 GB is 3rd in games lost to injuries at a staggering 359 games lost. Cleveland checks in at 363, and leading the NFL since 2009 is Indy at 440 games lost. I took the data from Football Outsiders and Rich Gosselin's 2013 injury column posted last week. 

 

Of course, of those 3 teams one has been a playoff fixture. Including a little hardware. 

Thanks CJ, that's interesting. 

I think you have to go a bit deeper than that.  It absolutely matters who the players are that are hurt.  Losing a ST player versus an impact player is quite different... yet they each count as missing a game.  

 

I admittedly don't follow other teams as closely as GB, but I'd be very surprised if other teams in the NFL have lost as many impact players as GB and had the same success.  

Agreed.

 

For ****s n' giggles. One of the healthiest teams since 2009.... SF. Only 163 total games lost to injuries. That's an average of only 32 games/year. GB's "healthiest" year was 2009 with 37 games lost. It's all downhill after 2009....

 

Stretching

Read this

 

Harbaugh came from Stanford, seems he may have brought some of Turley's ideas with him.

 

 

If I'm McCarthy/Thompson, I back up the Brinks truck for this guy, or at least take a visit there. Studying the Read-Option helped, maybe a spring semester at Stanford for Lovat and crew will help in that area.

 

 

       
       


I didn't say all teams who don't win the SB are equal, but ultimately every team that doesn't win the Super Bowl didn't reach their goal. I think every coach/GM/player in the NFL would agree with that. Reaching the playoffs is an accomplishment to be proud of, but it doesn't matter where or how you lose in the playoffs. Some of you seem to think Belichick or Harbaugh get extra points or a gold star because of HOW they lost in the playoffs, apparently it's more palatable that way I guess? 1st round loss or SB loss, doesn't matter. A loss is a loss and the goal was not reached.

Gravedigger:

Some of you seem to think Belichick or Harbaugh get extra points or a gold star because of HOW they lost in the playoffs, apparently it's more palatable that way I guess? 1st round loss or SB loss, doesn't matter. A loss is a loss and the goal was not reached.

If I am following this thread accurately, you have moved the goalposts.  Argue one position and then argue another.

 

The first position was as follows:

Assigning quality to a team according to one criteria.  Did it win the SB?

 

The second position is as follows:

Sticking to the same criteria, but now according to whether or not a team's goal was met.

 

Apples and oranges.

 

I assign different quality to Belicheck all the while they have not won a SB in awhile. 

 

I agree he has not reached his goal in awhile.

 

He also brought HGH not mentioned in the article 

I guess my point is not getting through Phaedrus. We keep hearing about HOW the Packers keep losing in the playoffs...exiting too early or losing by too many points or giving up too many yards. My point is simply that there's no difference between losing early , by 20 points, while giving up 500 yards is not any less paletable than losing in the Super Bowl by a field goal. There's no moral victories in the playoffs, you either win the SB or you lose. Bill Belichick, arguably the best coach in the NFL, hasn't won a SB in a decade while it's only be 3 years for McCarthy yet somehow Belichick escapes the criticism that McCarthy gets for losing in the playoffs. How does that make sense?