And with Montgomery being sent to the Ravevs for some stale crab cakes, Gutey has now shipped the last remaining player from Ted Thompson's vaunted 2015 draft class out of Green Bay. This was the third player from that class that Gutey sent packing this year.
We basically lost an entire draft class. Unbelievable.
Bad draft. They happen. Just look at the typical Viking draft.
They got years/gsmes/plays from those players. Not an entire waste, but also not pawsitive.
YATittle posted:Bad draft. They happen. Just look at the typical Viking draft.
lol, c'mon now, treadwell? he's good...they do draft defense well. sometimes. i mean, they hit on diggs and the te...nah, i can't do it, they suck.
The only active players from the 2014 and 2015 drafts (17 players) are now Davante Adams and Corey Linsley. Jake Ryan is on IR for the #Packers
— Jim Owczarski (@JimOwczarski) October 30, 2018
michiganjoe posted:The only active players from the 2014 and 2015 drafts (17 players) are now Davante Adams and Corey Linsley. Jake Ryan is on IR for the #Packers
— Jim Owczarski (@JimOwczarski) October 30, 2018
THAT is how you become a team trending downward...
Can add 2013 and only David Bakhtiari to that as well.
Timpranillo posted:michiganjoe posted:The only active players from the 2014 and 2015 drafts (17 players) are now Davante Adams and Corey Linsley. Jake Ryan is on IR for the #Packers
— Jim Owczarski (@JimOwczarski) October 30, 2018THAT is how you become a team trending downward...
They also drafted 11 guys in 2013 and have only one guy left (Bakhtiari).
3 players out of 28 draft picks who are all now between 24 and 27 years old.
2013.
1. Datone Jones
2. Eddie Lacy
4. Bakh
4. Tretter
4. Johnathan Franklin
5. Micah Hyde
5. Josh Boyd
6. Nate Palmer
6. Charles Johnson
7. Kevin Dorsey
7. Sam Barrington
MichiganPacker2 posted:Timpranillo posted:michiganjoe posted:The only active players from the 2014 and 2015 drafts (17 players) are now Davante Adams and Corey Linsley. Jake Ryan is on IR for the #Packers
— Jim Owczarski (@JimOwczarski) October 30, 2018THAT is how you become a team trending downward...
They also drafted 11 guys in 2013 and have only one guy left (Bakhtiari).
3 players out of 28 draft picks who are all now between 24 and 27 years old.
2013.
1. Datone Jones
2. Eddie Lacy
4. Bakh
4. Tretter
4. Johnathan Franklin
5. Micah Hyde
5. Josh Boyd
6. Nate Palmer
6. Charles Johnson
7. Kevin Dorsey
7. Sam Barrington
That's about as damning of an indictment of the front office as I've seen. Rodgers is really carrying the entire org on his shoulders.
The 8 players that the Packers drafted in 2015 combined to play in a total of 241 games for the team.
Pro Football Reference keeps track of the number of years a player was a primary starter for their team at their position. That draft class ends with a cumulative "starter years" of 6 - and 1 of them was Hundley last year and another was Ripkowski which were nothing to write home about. Randall started for 2 years and Ryan for 2 years.
They covered 2 positions for 2 years each with no serious injuries that shortened anyone's career.
Compare that with other years of TT's drafts ("starter years") - major contributors listed.
2005. 22 - Rodgers, Collins, and Poppinga
2006. 34 - Hawk, Colledge, Jennings, Blackmon, Jolly
2007. 24 - Crosby, James Jones, Bishop,
2008. 25. Jordy, Sitton, Finley
2009. 26. CM3, Raji, Lang, Brad Jones
2010. 22. Bulaga, Burnett, Neal, Quarless
2011. 9. Cobb, House, and counts 3 years of Lawrence Guy starting for other teams. Likely to be no more added to this.
2012. 9. Perry, Daniels, and Casey Hayward (some starting for other teams)
2013. 14. Bakh, Lacey, and Micah Hyde starting for the Bills
2014. 16 Davante Adams, Linsley, and Dix
2015. 4
2016. 6. Clark, Martinez
These latter drafts will add a few more "starter years" but not much. 2011 and 2012 will end up in the 10-12 range. 2013-2014 will be more like the really good years and they did get 2 Pro Bowl level players in Bakh and Adams.
2015 is all-time disaster for a draft and develop team. And it wasn't an isolated bad draft. There were several after 2010.
it ain't Jonathan Franklin's fault he broke his neck. he woulda been a player.
Tretter was a keeper too. Eddie was very good for a couple years. Who would've known he would lose interest?
And it's not Hyde's fault we were too stupid to keep him. How would he look at safety right now?
You have to wonder what TT and Gutes willing be saying when they pass each other in the hall.
DH13 posted:Tretter was a keeper too. Eddie was very good for a couple years. Who would've known he would lose interest?
All the teams who passed on him because they were concerned he would eat himself out of the league.
Still a decent pick. Got some good years out of him.
BrainDed posted:DH13 posted:Tretter was a keeper too. Eddie was very good for a couple years. Who would've known he would lose interest?
All the teams who passed on him because they were concerned he would eat himself out of the league.
Still a decent pick. Got some good years out of him.
BS. Show me one comment about that in his pre-draft. They were afraid of his broken foot.
DH13 posted:You have to wonder what TT and Gutes willing be saying when they pass each other in the hall.
Ted - "Where am I?"
Gute - "Lunch will be served in the main dining hall today at 11:30."
The 2015 draft may replace the 2004 draft as the worst in team history.
That’s saying a lot considering Route 28, Route 24, Donnell Washington and BJ Sander were all chosen in that draft as high picks.
So I'm guessing every other team in the league has every draft pick they ever drafted.
Tschmack posted:The 2015 draft may replace the 2004 draft as the worst in team history.
That’s saying a lot considering Route 28, Route 24, Donnell Washington and BJ Sander were all chosen in that draft as high picks.
https://www.pro-football-refer.../teams/gnb/draft.htm
2004 actually generated 17 starter years. What really saved that draft from being a complete zero was getting Scott Wells in the 7th (Corey Williams in the 5th round wasn't a bad pick either)
2003 was just as terrible. Other than a good first round pick (Nick Barnett) none of the other players were ever starters for the Packers.
2001 was terrible. Maybe worse than 2015. (6 "starter years") Jamal Reynolds, Robert Ferguson, Jue, Marshall, Ferrario, and David Martin (3 years at TE).
The best years in modern Packer drafts were probably the 2006-2009 stretch and the 1993 (38 starter years) and 1995 drafts (34 starter years). Not a coincidence that both of these stretches preceded Super Bowl wins.
2001-2005 for Sherman was very similar to 2011-16 for TT. Hopefully the reset from TT to Gute goes as well as the Sherman to TT reset.
GBFanForLife posted:So I'm guessing every other team in the league has every draft pick they ever drafted.
Every team probably "misses" on at least half their picks, but not getting contributions from an entire draft class from 3 years ago is Cleveland Browns like. You should get at least 2-3 starters from each draft. They don't have to be superstars, but you have to get something.
They just need to lose more games every year, it gives them a better chance to get good players like AJ Hawk. They got a lot of years out of that pick.
PackerHawk posted:And it's not Hyde's fault we were too stupid to keep him. How would he look at safety right now?
Even though you are a bit of a homer on this, you are 100% right and I said the same thing when they let him go in free agency. Hyde just seemed to make plays. His measurables weren't great, but he made a handful of plays every year that other guys just didn't make - from anticipation and film study. The interception against the Cowboys a few years ago was a good example.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-...cks-off-Dak-Prescott
It's like they got obsessed with making sure a guy's 40 times or size were better instead of just recognizing these guys (like Hayward as well) just seemed to know how to play football. Alexander seems to have a similar feel.
GBFanForLife posted:They just need to lose more games every year, it gives them a better chance to get good players like AJ Hawk. They got a lot of years out of that pick.
He was a bad pick for a top 5 guy, but he was a contributor for a long time. If he'd have been a 4th round pick, we'd all look back at him very fondly.
If you disregard Hawk, that was still a productive draft. NFL.com wrote an article about how that was the most productive draft by almost any team in the 2000s.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/...asses-in-last-decade
2006 Green Bay Packers -- 869
Games played by draft picks: A.J. Hawk (142), Daryn Colledge (141), Greg Jennings (127), Tyrone Culver (80), David Tollefson (78), Jason Spitz (75), Will Blackmon (66), Tony Moll (63), Johnny Jolly (61), Abdul Hodge (35), Ingle Martin (1), Cory Rodgers (0).
The skinny: This is an underrated draft class due to the conflicting feelings many might harbor as to Hawk's overall impact on the field for the Packers. That being said, Hawk was a regular starter during his nine years in Green Bay. Three players from this draft class -- Hawk, Colledge and Jennings -- started in the team's win in Super Bowl XLV, and a fourth -- Spitz -- was a member of that championship team. Tollefson's 78 games played all came with the New York Giants, with whom he was a part of two Super Bowl-winning teams.
BrainDed posted:DH13 posted:You have to wonder what TT and Gutes willing be saying when they pass each other in the hall.
Ted - "Where am I?"
Gute - "Lunch will be served in the main dining hall today at 11:30."
Ted - "I like green jello"
MichiganPacker2 posted:It's like they got obsessed with making sure a guy's 40 times or size were better instead of just recognizing these guys (like Hayward as well) just seemed to know how to play football.
Letting Hayward walk was when I really started to question TT. And not just letting him walk, he didn't even give him an offer. Hayward's been in the pro bowl every year since leaving GB. How you don't see the talent and even give the guy an offer and let him walk is beyond me.
Dom didn't see it and saw Hyde as expendable?
There's more to playing football & being on a team than just what you see on the field every Sunday.
It's not fantasy football.
2019 Pack draft has 2- 1st round picks, a 2nd, a 3rd, 3- 4th round picks, and a 5th, a 6th, and a 7th round pick. That's a lot of picks. Hopefully we 86 all of MM’s coaches so their input doesn’t screw up those picks. Gute’s guy is Mike Pettine and the D is coming along. Hope they keep him.
The 2013 through 2015 draft classes still on the Packers is Bakhtiari, Corey Linsley, and Davante Adams. Enough of listening to MM’s input.
So MM had input on those drafts but not A Jones, Williams, Moore, MVS or ESB?
Just like the Packers Offense. When a play is successful its cause Rodgers is the GOAT, but when it doesn't work its because of McStupidface.
Brainwashed Boris posted:There's more to playing football & being on a team than just what you see on the field every Sunday.
It's not fantasy football.
I agree. The culture fit is as important. 'Just win,baby!' says what you do on the field trumps anything that happens on the practice field or street. Not sure that would fly in Green Bay. Belichek's teams are the flip side. Fulfill your assignment and you're golden. Free lance and you're out on a rail, regardless of the result.
Looks like Tom has been watching the games...
