Harvey--Irma--Maria. ??

I think one of the mayors down there told people if they didn't evacuate to write their SS#'s on their arms so they can. be identified later.   I think the. mayor got some flack from that comment.  But I think he was trying to let people know to get the heck out of there so we don't put more First-Responders in peril trying to save/find those that didn't heed the warning.

 

Rain all day in Austin, but not nearly as much as forecasted...at least no so far. The power has been off and on all day which seems ridiculous considering we've had no lightening and the wind gusts haven't been bad. 

The upshot is it's 73 degrees which is unheard of down here in August. 

For a big city like Austin, that does seem ridiculous.

I live in the middle of nowhere at the end of a dead-end street and we lost power for 46 hours in Hurricane Irene back in 2011.  We got a lot of wind from Sandy in 2012, but the lights only winked once, which shocked me.

Very good friends from here in Austin retired to Rockport a few years ago. They found a drone video on-line and it looks like their house is gone. They have insurance, they will rebuild, but so much lost.

Nephew, wife, and their 2 little girls live in HOU. They moved to a friends home that is in a higher area. They are safe and dry, but he is not sure about their house. They are 2 blocks from a park with a water way that connects to Buffalo Bayou. When they evacuated their home he had recorded +10" of rain there.

Not his home/pool.

Some pics from my nephew via his friends drone. This is very near where the nephew lives. But, he said their place is still dry. He has a canoe and paddled over there this morning.

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A before/after. That water way is the Buffalo Bayou which has been mentioned a lot on Weather Channel etc...

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Hungry5 posted:

Very good friends from here in Austin retired to Rockport a few years ago. They found a drone video on-line and it looks like their house is gone. They have insurance, they will rebuild, but so much lost.

Nephew, wife, and their 2 little girls live in HOU. They moved to a friends home that is in a higher area. They are safe and dry, but he is not sure about their house. They are 2 blocks from a park with a water way that connects to Buffalo Bayou. When they evacuated their home he had recorded +10" of rain there.

Not his home/pool.

It is really sad what is going on in Texas.  I am calling fake on the alligator picture. It is one of those lawn ornament alligators.  I live here in Florida, and I think I know what a real alligator looks like. 

Timmy! posted:

I've got some family that live in the Northern 'burbs of Houston, not too far from G Bush Airport. They have prepared and now just wait....
Everyone stay safe!

I live 50 miles north of the airport, as of this morning the airport is still completely shut down. As for the greater Houston area, theres no way in and no way out. All major hiways are still under water. the city is complety shut down. As for us at our house we have gotten abt 39" of rain since fri nite. We are very wet but not flooding. The one thing I love about the city of Houston, is when there is a call for help, the great people of this city stepped up. Even had the Cajun navy come in to help. The city of Houston will overcome this!!!!!

Fandame posted:

Sister in Corpus Christi who rode it out and, thankfully, made it so far with only loss of shingles, all trees, and some other damage. Said she'll never do that again as it was horrifying. I thought she was stupid to stay in the first place!

I live abt 200 hundred miles from the coast, and since we move to Texas, I lived though 3 of them. Alicia, Rita, Ike. And even up here, it can get very dicey.

ShebPackFan posted:
Hungry5 posted:

Very good friends from here in Austin retired to Rockport a few years ago. They found a drone video on-line and it looks like their house is gone. They have insurance, they will rebuild, but so much lost.

Nephew, wife, and their 2 little girls live in HOU. They moved to a friends home that is in a higher area. They are safe and dry, but he is not sure about their house. They are 2 blocks from a park with a water way that connects to Buffalo Bayou. When they evacuated their home he had recorded +10" of rain there.

Not his home/pool.

It is really sad what is going on in Texas.  I am calling fake on the alligator picture. It is one of those lawn ornament alligators.  I live here in Florida, and I think I know what a real alligator looks like. 

Iam with you on the fake gator.

Agree the gator is fake. The orange eye is the give away. 



Of all the pictures coming out of the HOU area, this one really stood out to me on the impact. People, as far as you can see, walking/wading/paddling, whatever to get out of the flood waters.

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ChilliJon posted:

Milania Trump on her way to Texas. 

 

Because that's what I'd wear to a flooded disaster area where people are losing homes, livelihoods, lives. You bet. Show them there's hope. Cake and all that. Or maybe she could use the heels as nails to hold a boat together. 

"What a crowd. What a turnout. ...It's going really well."    All he forgot to add was "Brownie."  

bandit posted: 

I live 50 miles north of the airport, as of this morning the airport is still completely shut down...

I have family in Spring. The Weather Channel has shown a few videos of flooding and rescues in Spring, but, thankfully, they haven't been affected by the flooding.

ChilliJon posted:

Milania Trump on her way to Texas. 

On one hand. The shoes should keep her above rising flood waters. 

On the other hand..... oh what's the effing point anymore. 

They wouldn't have had to go at all If Texas succeeded like they were threatening a few yrs. back. 

 

At least she can hold her own umbrella! 

I think the Anti-Fa Domestic Terrorists stole them, DH13.

BTW...CJ.....remember that Melania needs those shoes so she can  protect herself against those same anti-Christian domestic terrorists that beat up on the prayer group this past weekend. 

There.  whew.  Did we cover all the possibilities now.  

Sad that all the previous snarkiness has to be included in the Harvey thread.

 

 

bandit posted:

I just read where the Packers donated 100,000 dollars to the Harvey relief fund. Good for them,  me and the Packer Pete are doing the FEMA thing. I will be reliyin on this board for Packer news for next couple weeks

Stay safe, and thank you for helping. 

Hope is Irma turns hard left this weekend and fizzles into a rain storm over colder Atlantic water. Storms don't go from tropical to Cat 3 in 6 hours. Apparently there is a H pressure front over the SE Atlantic that dictates how far south a system gets pushed before it turns N. Everyone is watching how strong that H pressure front becomes. 

Cavetoad posted:

I threw chunk at JJ Watt's effort.  Great work by a former Badger!

https://www.youcaring.com/vict...rricaneharvey-915053

Jerruh should have donated 10M.  How much of his billion dollar stadium was paid by taxes?

https://www.usatoday.com/story...ne-harvey/622775001/

JJ is just A W E S O M E, and Jerry should give a billion.  What's he worth, at least 10 billion??  A million for these 1%ers is a drop in their billion dollar bucket.  

In the last few days 1,200 people died and 950,000 lost homes from flooding
in Bangladesh. No front page coverage.  A big rain/flood/mudslide in Africa also happened this week.  These events are related, not isolated IMO

Another storm in the Gulf and potential cat 4 headed to Bahamas and East Coast.

To paraphrase Steven Stills.....something's happening here, what it is is pretty clear.

 

Pikes Peak posted:
To paraphrase Steven Stills.....something's happening here, what it is is pretty clear.

 .....   "what it is ain't exactly clear"       (FTFY)

which is true....there's a lot of strange weather happening this year around the world......permanent climate change ?  or normal cyclical patterns occurring? 

...but it sure is nasty.....fires; rains; drought; floods; monsoons;  hurricanes; etc.....definitely "there's something happening here"

For What It's Worth

 

Pikes Peak posted:

In the last few days 1,200 people died and 950,000 lost homes from flooding
in Bangladesh. No front page coverage.  A big rain/flood/mudslide in Africa also happened this week.  These events are related, not isolated IMO

Another storm in the Gulf and potential cat 4 headed to Bahamas and East Coast.

To paraphrase Steven Stills.....something's happening here, what it is is pretty clear.

 

We can always find other kids to sew running shoes and faux designer fashion lines.

Normal patterns? Uneducated head in the sand blather.  There is nothing comparable to the severity of the increase in CO2 levels and warming we've seen in the last century.  The closest comparable was the Permian great extinction when volcanoes raised CO2.  And we're, yes humans, changing things 100x faster.  The **** isn't going to hit the fan, it already started at least a decade ago.  More CO2 means more trapped heat means increase in climate volatility.  No real debate remains.  If you think there is you're not only ignorant, you're an asshole for believing there is because it just delays any action to fix it.

DH13 posted:

We've had 2 100yr storms and a 500yr storm in the last 12 years in the US alone.  This is not normal but unfortunately may be the new normal. 

Complete rubbish. That is loony AGW people pulling that 100 year and 500 year stuff out of thin air.

 

Camille, 1969. Just one for ya.

 

DH13 posted:

Normal patterns? Uneducated head in the sand blather.  There is nothing comparable to the severity of the increase in CO2 levels and warming we've seen in the last century.  The closest comparable was the Permian great extinction when volcanoes raised CO2.  And we're, yes humans, changing things 100x faster.  The **** isn't going to hit the fan, it already started at least a decade ago.  More CO2 means more trapped heat means increase in climate volatility.  No real debate remains.  If you think there is you're not only ignorant, you're an asshole for believing there is because it just delays any action to fix it.

...tell us how you really feel.  You saying there's no debate is an inane statement.

There's always going to be debate.  Why do you want to shut down debate?

I don't think anyone disagrees that our climate is changing....but to what degree? and why?  We've had plenty of  natural disasters occur at the same time around the world before.

R-E-L-A-X.  

JFC.  Yes, relax.  No urgency, why do anything about it.  F'ing morons.  No, there is no credible debate.  There isn't one theory, paper, data set or wild ass guess that exists that has been peer reviewed and supported by any third party that suggests we are NOT the cause.  It's all noise paid for by the powers that be that stand to lose at the idea they're economic interests are at stake.

100 year and 500 year stuff out of thin air?  Good god Francis.  Check the meteorological records of what constitutes those designations and the timeline they happened in.  Do I have to do the math for you in crayon?

You know there is "debate" about the earth being flat/round too, right?  Same level of denial.  But if you couldn't give 2 ****s about the world we're trying to live in and the world we're leaving behind us when we're gone, have it and **** off.

I do appreciate your passion about the topic, DH13.   

But, if I only have 2 s***s to give.....then, I'm giving to the idea that our world is full of radical terrorists and if we don't do something about it right now, we won't have to bother worrying about climate change. 

If we don't do something about the lack of law and order soon, then we won't have to worry about the climate anyway.   

If we don't do something soon about the lack of decency in debating issues and learning that it's OK to disagree without name-calling or violence....then why bother with the climate.

That being said, I do appreciate your voice and determination on the issue of a climactic climate.  Climate change is an issue that shouldn't be ignored.

SanDiegoPackFan posted:

But, if I only have 2 s***s to give.....then, I'm giving to the idea that our world is full of radical terrorists and if we don't do something about it right now, we won't have to bother worrying about climate change. 

If we don't do something about the lack of law and order soon, then we won't have to worry about the climate anyway.   

 

Pretty sure I'm going to have to throw away my computer as my CPU is totally brain damaged now.  

      Way to take it to that "stupid" level, Hank.   And to waste 3 posts to do it.   I think everyone here knew you could do it.  Good job!

But You forgot to include the last part....

If we don't do something soon about the lack of decency in debating issues and learning that it's OK to disagree without name-calling or violence....then why bother with the climate.

or maybe you didn't forget because you already knew.  

While oil and coal companies have always had our best interest in mind, can't we at least consider not ****ting the nest?  

and, "but we have terrorists" is not a good reason to avoid ****ting the nest.  That is like saying, "we might get robbed some day, so I am just going to piss on the couch from now on until crime is fixed or someone moves the bathroom closer."  

El-Belichick-Landry posted:

While oil and coal companies have always had our best interest in mind, can't we at least consider not ****ting the nest?  

and, "but we have terrorists" is not a good reason to avoid ****ting the nest.  That is like saying, "we might get robbed some day, so I am just going to piss on the couch from now on until crime is fixed or someone moves the bathroom closer."  

I wonder if the so-called "mod" will come in to post how "stupid" this post is ??  oops, probably not....ahh....."the others"

El-Belichick-Landry posted:

While oil and coal companies have always had our best interest in mind, can't we at least consider not ****ting the nest?  

and, "but we have terrorists" is not a good reason to avoid ****ting the nest.  That is like saying, "we might get robbed some day, so I am just going to piss on the couch from now on until crime is fixed or someone moves the bathroom closer."  

I was camping with some friends this summer. The one gal brought up how there are cannons that can be fired up into the clouds to prevent severe storms.   The whole group other than me were insistent on how she was right.  Another brought up cloud seeding and chemical trails that are used to manipulate weather.

I actually heard on a sport talk show today on how, or why, we don't use bombs to diffuse developing hurricanes.

The concept of energy seems to escape general society.  But, the concept of capitalism does not.  We have many people making plenty of money off the concept of glob...er climate ch... err.. carbon cred.. err...

I truly think using the power of the sun is a great idea. I am glad we are finally getting the technology to do it effectively (which isn't being suppressed by those who otherwise supply that power for profit). 

The climate always changes, has been for 4.5 billion years.  The earth was a ball of ice at some point not too long ago.   Those who think that a few changes will really change the progress from the last ice age to the next are hopeful capitalists selling their BS for profit on the fools. 

Enjoy your 75 years of existence on the planet if you are lucky.  The fact is, what you do matters little, but if it makes you feel good, go for it.  Just don't be a fool who lets the already elite profit from it.

 

 

SanDiegoPackFan posted:

Agree with Boris.  Pray that Irma dissipates some how.

Image result for Hurricane Irma

 

ABC? Isn't that fake news? I want to see the Fox Track!

By the way what's Septembers  Rush Limpballs talking points going to be? 

We've gone from nothing burger to rule of law and law & order.

I'm at the edge of my seat in anticipation! 

I did go back to find when the Mississippi River flooded in the St. Louis area so they called it a 100 year flood.  Going back as far as I could find data - it happens more frequently than you would think.  In fact on an average of every 8 years we have (what is called) a 100 year flood.  So it is relatively normal for this to occur.  Once we had what the press referred to as a 100 year event twice in three years.  And three times the water got to within 2 feet if the top of the levy's.  When I first got here the old timers then - talked about where the water flooded before they built the levy's.  If they had not built those levy's I might be living on the bluffs a few miles further east.  It was the frequency I experienced and the talk of those old timers that got me looking into the data.  So I think that the "100 year" label has gotten to be a media thing and not rooted in actual history. 

SanDiegoPackFan posted:

I wonder if the so-called "mod" will come in to post how "stupid" this post is ??  oops, probably not....ahh....."the others"

you make a... point??

I didn't know my "lets not dump roundup on each others flowers" was a controversial position.  Wind and solar brings in local jobs, clean(er) energy and doesn't fund a Shiek that wants all infidels dead.  I can sleep at night with opinion.  

I also feel I will see more friends and family die to early from cancer, heart conditions, etc.  Not as sexy as terrorists, but significantly more likely to hit home.  I also have no problem with my tax dollars helping out in Texas right now, my neighbors I've never met need it more than I do.  I also see no value in tax dollars going to a giant Texas monument between here and Mexico, I've met the Mexican neighbors, they are pretty cool.   Those millions can go to disaster relief, cancer research, and anti-terrorism and I would be much happier with where my tax dollars are going.  

In sum:  pro clean water and air, pro helping neighbors, pro investing in American technology, anti expensive monuments.  

And pray for Texas, the work is a long, long way from being done.  And after you wrap up that prayer, go ahead and send a few bucks to those neighbors you've never met, I know Texas had a contingent of volunteers up here when Cedar Rapids flooded (is there a standard for 100 year flood designation?  I think the local news just thinks is sounds cool).  

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