The video that surfaced Monday told the entire story, and it's an ugly and sad one. The Ravens felt their continuous backing of Rice -- from the owner to the general manager to the coach -- was admirable. Instead, it was misguided. Even though a source recently said the team hadn't seen the latest video, the Ravens made the egregious mistake of lauding Rice's character and not focusing on the domestic violence incident itself.

"I stand behind Ray -- he's a heck of a guy," coach John Harbaugh said in late July before the original two-game suspension was announced.

“I don’t think now is the time to abandon him," owner Steve Bisciotti told the team's website in late July.

 

I'm hoping the nfls concussion policy issues a ruling.  Perhaps she can file with other class action lawsuit players. 

NFL Investigator : "Welker popped Molly"

Goodell: "2 games"

NFL Investigator : "It's a drug, sir"

Goodell: "4 games"

So, al's Subway in Wausau is open for business.  One day, his employee on his day off brings his girlfriend.  This employee was a high school superstar, known by everyone in town.  He gets a couple high fives on his way in the door.  Subway is packed, and all the heads turn when the argument starts.  Pretty soon the two walk outside where the yelling escalates.   All eyes are on the man as he hauls back and clocks his girlfriend right in the jaw.  All eyes see her collapse and watch in horror as he starts to drag her to his car. 

 

That night al shines up his "employee of the month" plague and leaves the batterer to run his subway for the evening.  In al's world, the community thinks this guy is a completely different person when he puts on the subway uniform.  al doesn't think his community will have a problem at all coming in for a subway club from the guy, a public figure in the community, who publicly beat a much smaller woman.  In fact, al has no problem hiring anyone, as long as they can make his damn sandwich with lots of mayo. 

 

And this is why al has to get his couches off the side of the street. 

All these guys are sporting Ray Rice Jerseys.

 

Is this guy capable of making an analogy that doesn't involve food?

       
       

Let's play fu**er...

Which is more the likely abuser?

1) The admitted alcoholic with the undeniable superiority complex who flips verbal abuse to all who even think about disagreement with him on a football message board?

2) the man married happily for 17 years with 2 outstanding teenage sons and a special needs child who has received unconditional love since his birth, whose wife is going through chemotherapy and has rallied his family in her support?

You're un-friggin-qualified to ever consider uttering anything about me you piece of trash internet bully.  You are more than welcome to verify my credentials as a man. Husband, and father.

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You cover up for your behavior.  It's written all over every post you ever had on this board.
You ran right to the "bitch deserved it" defense.

Then you blame me for coming off as the POS you are.  Yeah, you're transparent and you don't even know it.

I cover up nothing you ignorant piece of waste. I offered a perspective- the only true colors shown here you self righteous windbag is when another person offers a similar point of view, you agreed with it. Stuff your entire existence up your pompous ass. You're nothing. You literally mean nothing. My home is safe, loving, and worth more than you can ever pretend to offer at any point of your worthless life.

Have a nice day, asshole. God Bless..

Is x4 always this hard?

 

Anybody wanna talk about Mom?

Does yours still wear combat boots?

I meant any Mom but mine, Dago.

And yes.

I think he should.allow for due process. Once guilty no wimpy 6 game bans. Gone for life. 

Heard a radio caller today make this statement, "You know there are hundreds and hundreds of guys right now that are actually pissed Ray Rice is off their fantasy team because that Bitch couldn't keep her mouth shut.  You know it's true. My point is. What the hell is wrong with all of us?" 

 

About 20 minutes later I heard some clips of John Harbaughs press conference and he was asked how his team felt after seeing the video. He responded (paraphrasing) "I really don't have time to get into any of that. Feelings.... my focus is getting a team ready to play a game Thursday night". 

 

Just a depressing drive home in general. What the hell is wrong with all of us? This **** shouldn't matter this much should it? 

Due process resulted in counseling and 2 games for Ray until TMZ got their hands on a video. 

 

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I cover up nothing you ignorant piece of waste. I offered a perspective- the only true colors shown here you self righteous windbag is when another person offers a similar point of view, you agreed with it. Stuff your entire existence up your pompous ass. You're nothing. You literally mean nothing. My home is safe, loving, and worth more than you can ever pretend to offer at any point of your worthless life.

 

I think you missed the part where it said x4 not for pussies

 

I also think you missed the part where you are supposedly taking the moral high ground and are above the fray yet you want to continue to spout off and it's all on Hank? 

 

As for football, it's clear to me that Ray Rice is a bad guy and the league and the Ravens should have taken action much sooner than today on this dirt bag.  However, the league has been stocked with thugs and criminals for a long time now and Rice isn't the first nor will he be the last to act like this.  In Goodell's NFL it's all about the cash and the means to the end (more cash).  There's never enough money for the NFL and they have compromised their ethics and integrity for the almighty dollar.   Then there are other enablers- coaches, fans, etc.   I about puked when I heard Harbaugh's comments from his press conference this evening.  That idot was actually trying to rationalize his earlier comments and view of this incident.  

 

 

Better yet, shower with Iowacheese.

Geneva Convention issue there, bub.

 

 

Compared with their peers, these players were 11 percent less likely to get a DUI (8.3 per thousand compared to 9.4 for adult males), 23 percent less likely to get an assault charge (7.4 vs. 9.6), and 59 percent less likely to get a drug charge (4.2 vs. 10.4). The NFL's problem is the one Bob Costas identified: NFL players were still more than twice as likely as the average man to face a weapons charge (2.2 vs. 1.0).

 

(One last note: The average NFL player is younger and blacker than the average American adult male, factors which make him even more likely to be arrested. We opted not to adjust for those factors, in favor of producing the most straightforward comparison.)

 

*73 percent of NFLers' drug arrests were for weed only, compared to a national average of around 50 percent. -deadspin

 

 

Unlike Ray Rice, Carl Brutananadilewski is a winner and an upstanding citizen.

Money talks.......for instance, Rice.  He did a most horrific thing, was not charged therefore he  will not show up in these stats.

In the 1998 book "Pros and Cons" the authors did a study of about 1,500 players in the league and it was determined that 21% of players in the NFL had been charged with a serious crime.   While 1998 seems like a long time ago the narrative really hasn't changed that much.

 

The one thing I remember distinctly in that book was the piece about Wayne Simmons.  In some respects he makes Ray Rice seem like a normal guy by league standards.

 

 

Pikes these are arrests rather than convictions. He will show up in the stats.  I do agree that people get the justice they can afford in our country.  My understanding of the case is that because he was never in trouble before he was eligible for a pretrial intervention program.

That link has a timeline for the whole case.   

 

Biggest dumdum.  Ray for KOing Janay or Janay for marrying Ray after getting KOed?

 

I guess at a minimum she'll get half now.  

Benedict and Yaeger chose to examine the 1996/97 season rosters to research the criminal history of a sample of the 1,500+ players in the league.

 

The results are somewhat shocking, but not in the sense that you conclude the NFL is nothing but a league of thugs. The shock comes from the manner in which the coaches, team owners and the NFL itself find ways to defend or even excuse the actions of some players for the sake of protecting their "investment" or to avoid compromising a team or the league's future. Each chapter highlights the more notorious crimes of specific players and in each case, the NFL is clearly illustrated as a closed and exclusive society with the power to police its own personnel in the manner it chooses, separate from the rest of society.

 

Although most, if not all, of the players documented in "Pros and Cons" are not currently active in the NFL, the names are familiar due to either gridiron greatness (Cornelius Bennett) or criminal notoriety (Lawrence Phillips). Many of the "offenders" portrayed throughout the book had criminal records prior to entering the NFL and the authors strongly suggest that the protective privileges afforded to many NFL players start as early as high school. -review from long reads 

For an interesting take on the root of the problem

 

 

Already had mine - Medicine Man.

Prett much every guy has had at least one girl friend that was like mixing two volatile agents. It was never going to work. So you got out fast before one of you ended up stuffed in a crawl space. That's why I'm going with Ray twice. He punched her after he should have removed himself from a situation well before things culminated in a casino elevator. Just a pure dumbass. 

At this point I have no doubt the NFL saw the video before they gave the 2 game suspension. This is from Mort back in July:

 

"he strikes her, strikes her hard. And her head—according to the sources I've spoken to—struck the rail inside the elevator and she was unconscious."

 

The part about her head striking the rail is what gets me because that is exactly what the video shows.  If Mort's sources were telling him that's what the video showed back in July, then the NFL has seen it.

 

If so Goodell is f'd.

After watching the video I could believe the attack was premeditated.  Ask me and Ray Rice was waiting to get Janay in the elevator where the doors would close and no one could see what would happen next.  Ray Rice immediately became physically aggressive.   The lack of remorse afterwords, to me, makes me believe Ray Rice knew the attack was going to happen.  A remorseful  person freaks out if the reaction was a heat of the moment situation.  The way Ray Rice's reaction looks to me is Ray Rice is  a guy that's comfortable with violence.    

 

 

I hope part of the reason Ray Rice was released was because players on the Ravens turned on Rice after seeing the tape and made it clear to  Ravens' owner Steve Bisciotti that no matter how much Steve Bisciotti liked Ray Rice, they wanted nothing to do with the guy. 

 

 

Someone on twitter mentioned that Steve Bisciotti should have been front and center today and I tend to agree.  This speaks to pikes point about money talking.  The best thing about money for a guy like Steve Bisciotti is it surrounds him with people he can pay  so he doesn't have to talk and in turn they make him seem less accountable.  Just like Ray Rice, his long time protected athlete.   Steve Bisciotti didn't release Rice because he couldn't protect Rice any more.  Steve Bisciotti released Rice because he couldn't protect himself any longer.   

 

 

The attitude brings a little clarity to how Steve Bisciotti might think it's ok to manipulate his entire organization to keep an ugly situation like this hidden from the public at large.  Steve Bisciotti also seems like a guy that's comfortable with violence.    

 

 

The best thing the media could do, imo, is to replace every use of 'Ravens' with 'Steve Bisciotti' in every article they write on the subject.  The name and company is worth over a billion to him.  He should own it. This also speaks to Chili's point about what's wrong with us.  Some people feel no shame.

 

  
Rodger Goodell, if he were really the protector of the sport, would open an investigation into what Steve Bisciotti knew and when (for the good of the image of the game).  I'd have to believe that Goodell is a guy that makes moral decisions but I could believe Rodger Goodell is a guy that's comfortable with violence, too.  

"I talked on personal conduct. I didn't speak about anyone in particular in that case," Goodell said. "But I did talk about what I call protecting the shield. My job is to protect the integrity of the NFL

 

 

 

A shield in name and deed

It's hard to look at Goodell's statement last week that the NFL failed the Ray Rice situation and not think they knew the video was going public.

There won't be a shortage of people trying to prove the NFL saw the video before today. There isn't an amount of money Goodell won't spend to make sure that never happens.

Blue Horseshoe.

There is without a doubt some documents that were lost today. 

Agree that Rice knew what he wanted to, and was going to do, before he even got in the elevator.

 

Only you can make yourself feel bad little buckaroo.  Don't blame me because I pointed out you're wearing a clown suit everyday.  

 

 

I wonder where you could get your ideas from?

 

 

10 Bible reasons why a wife must submit to her husband regardless of culture:

1. Creation order: Man was created first, woman second. "For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. " 1 Timothy 2:13
2. Creation origin: Man and all creation was created by God directly out of dust, whereas woman was created through the man's rib. "Then the Lord God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being. " Genesis 2:7 Woman is the only creature not made from dust. Woman derives her origin from Man. "The Lord God fashioned into a woman the rib which He had taken from the man, and brought her to the man. " Genesis 2:22 "For man does not originate from woman, but woman from man" 1 Corinthians 11:8
3. Creation purpose: Woman created for man: "for indeed man was not created for the woman's sake, but woman for the man's sake." 1 Corinthians 11:9
4. Man named woman: Adam named the animals and was to rule over them. "Out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the sky, and brought them to the man to see what he would call them; and whatever the man called a living creature, that was its name. " Genesis 2:19 "rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth." Genesis 1:28 When Eve was brought to Adam, he named her, showing he was to rule over woman as well. "The man said, "This is now bone of my bones, And flesh of my flesh; She shall be called Woman, Because she was taken out of Man."" Genesis 2:23
5. Delegation principle: God commanded directly to Adam alone. The prohibition to not eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, was made directly by God to Adam. Adam, in turn relayed what God said to Eve. Eve had not yet been created when God told Adam about the forbidden tree. Eve never actually heard God say this direct, but had to trust Adam's word on the matter. "The Lord God commanded the man, saying, "From any tree of the garden you may eat freely; but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die." Then the Lord God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone; I will make him a helper suitable for him."" Genesis 2:16-18
6. Woman sinned first: The devil tempted Eve and she, not the man, was first deceived. Because of this, man put Eve under the headship of Adam. "And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. " 1 Timothy 2:14; "Now the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said to the woman, "Indeed, has God said, 'You shall not eat from any tree of the garden'?"" Genesis 3:1
7. God rebuked Adam first after they ate the forbidden fruit: Although Eve was the logical person for God to rebuke first, God went to Adam, showing that God considered Adam the "head of the family" for both. "Then the Lord God called to the man, and said to him, "Where are you?" " Genesis 3:9
8. Man is the glory of God, woman is the glory of man: "For a man is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man." 1 Corinthians 11:7
9. Paul pointed Christians to the Mosaic Law that was 1500 earlier and a different culture: 1 Cor.14:34
10. Peter pointed Christians to Sarah, 2000 years earlier and a very different culture: 1 Pet. 3:5-6.

 

 

  

She needs serious help and is beyond delusional. No dear. This is not the evil media that caused this. Nor was it you "asking" for it. Place the responsibility where it needs to go.

 

Which is exactly why he's so good at the sport we all love. You know the sport many people here routinely say has been getting pussified over the years with all kinds of dumb rules to make it less violent. I mean less tough, hard hitting and old school. Less manly. Now you're surprised that Ray Rice seems comfortable with violence?

 

We as a society are very comfortable with violence.  

Don't disagree.  But there is another element in violence towards women.

Your response to her words seems very condescending. If you were a man I'd label it sexist. Like the poor dear can't think for herself. Good thing you and everyone else knows what's really best for her. She's a grown ass woman who can make her own choices. Right or very wrong they are hers alone. Is it really anyone else's nosy-ass business? 

Devil's Advocate here again. Just wondering if an openly gay Ray Rice had done the exact same thing to his much smaller boyfriend/husband would the outrage be the same?  

Janay is free to do whatever she wants. It's not my or anyone's business how she lives her life. I wish she would get some help to realize that it's not healthy to be in a relationship with someone who has abused you physically, mentally, emotionally, verbally, whatever, but again it is her decision to make. I find it hard to believe this was the first time Ray has abused her in some way and I doubt it will be the last. The fact that she wants to stay with him doesn't change the fact that he beat and humiliated his wife in public. I don't care what her opinion of him is or what her opinion of the incident was, it's still wrong and Ray Rice is a POS.