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I know....Leroy needs to get in. It's complete bullshit he isn't. Said this last year....

  1. Can you tell the story of the NFL WITHOUT Leroy Butler??

Answer is a resounding "NO" - That 1996 defense, while most talk about Reggie & rightfully so, the man at Safety was so instrumental to the success of their defense. They broke some '85 Bear defense records. Nobody ever talks about that except us Packer fans.

Peyton & Woodson are as close to first-ballot locks as you will ever see.

@Boris posted:

I know....Leroy needs to get in. It's complete bullshit he isn't. Said this last year....

  1. Can you tell the story of the NFL WITHOUT Leroy Butler??

Answer is a resounding "NO" - That 1996 defense, while most talk about Reggie & rightfully so, the man at Safety was so instrumental to the success of their defense. They broke some '85 Bear defense records. Nobody ever talks about that except us Packer fans.

Peyton & Woodson are as close to first-ballot locks as you will ever see.

It would also be appropriate for Woodson and Manning to go into the NFL HOF together as a bookend to their college days when Charles Woodson beat Peyton for the Heismann that year.

LeRoy may have a chance this year given that I don't see anyone else that is an absolute lock other than that probably MegaTron is highly likely (although I thought last year's class was relatively weak after Polamalu). However, I think LeRoy's shot may be next year as there are almost no surefire HOFers becoming eligible next year. The new possibilities next year are headed by A. Boldin, V. Wolfork, M. Williams, S. Smith, D. Ware, R. Mathis, A. Johnson, and T. Romo. No one on that list is someone you immediately think of as one of the all-time greats.

https://hofexperiences.com/blo...ear-eligible-players

LeRoy better get in during the next 2 years because the 2023 first-time eligible list has 3-4 surefire guys: Joe Thomas, Dwight Freeney, James Harrison, and D. Revis.

2024 has two locks: J. Peppers and A. Gates and A. Luck will be an interesting discussion.

https://profootballtalk.nbcspo...otball-hall-of-fame/

@grignon posted:

I see 4 names as locks.   Johnson, Manning, Ward and C Woodson.

I was surprised to see Boselli is not in. I guess a short dominant career doesn't work too well for linemen.

I agree on Boselli, but as you say lineman don't have counting stats to really measure just how dominant they were.

Boselli only played 6 years (plus 3 games of a 7th) and only started more than 12 games 4 times. No Super Bowl appearances.

The comps are Terrell Davis (only played more than 8 games 4 times) and Gale Sayers (5 seasons of more than 2 games).  Davis was the best player on 2 Super Bowl winners and Sayers was a transcendent talent.

Boselli allowed 15.5 sacks in 91 games (about 2.5 per year). The question is how does this comparison look to Bakhtiari. I can't find all the detailed career stats, but I can find some individual seasons.

Sacks Allowed by Bakhtiari

2020 - 0

2019 - 2

2014-2018 - 16 total in 5 years

2013 - 6 sacks allowed as a rookie

Article from 2018 pre-season

https://www.pff.com/news/pro-p...-no-33-on-the-pff-50

Over the course of his career, Bakhtiari has logged 2,900 pass-blocking snaps and compared to all the tackles in the PFF era with at least 2500 pass-blocking snaps in that span, heโ€™s allowed the ninth-fewest sacks (22), the fewest quarterback hits (16) and the fewest quarterback hurries (95), which all adds up to the fewest total pressures allowed (133). All told, heโ€™s racked up a pass-blocking efficiency of 96.4, which is third behind only Andrew Whitworth and Joe Thomas, and puts him in what can only be described as Hall of Fame company.

If you take out Bakh's rookie year (where he wasn't awful but he did give up 6 sacks), he's given up 18 sacks in 97 games. That's in very similar territory to Boselli. The argument is that if Boselli gets in then Bakhtiari is a likely future HOFer right now, let alone if he continues at this level for another 3-4 years.

Nice gleaning of numbers, MP2. I often start down that rabbit hole and half the time forget why I even started.

The consensus is that the Packers are fortunate to have a player of Bahktiari's ability. Your post gives solid evidence of how lucky they are.

Boselli was one of the prime reasons the Jags became relevant in their second year and why they became basically irrelevant when he got his final injury.

@ilcuqui posted:

What @Boris said above.

If John Lynch and/or Rodney Harrison get in before LeRoy...

Neither could carry Butlerโ€™s jock but are members in good standing of the ex-player media industrial complex. Iโ€™m sure Peter King and his ilk have already started their lobbying.

The one thing that could elevate both over Butler in the eyes of voters might be that they were more intimidating as hard hitters in an era where hitters were a more integral part of stopping the passing game than they are now.

That said, Butler definitely was more versatile than Lynch/Harrison.  He could function as an extra undersized LB with his blitz ability, and he could also cover like a CB in a pinch as he actually played CB when he first got to the Packers.  That versatility was HUGE for the Packers D. 

@grignon posted:

I see 4 names as locks.   Johnson, Manning, Ward and C Woodson.

I was surprised to see Boselli is not in. I guess a short dominant career doesn't work too well for linemen.

I never thought of Hines Ward in the same class as those other 3 guys but maybe I'm just underestimating him as he was a very good player that got a couple of rings and nearly got a 3rd had his team not come up against a very hot Packers' team in 2010/11. 

@fightphoe93 posted:

I never thought of Hines Ward in the same class as those other 3 guys but maybe I'm just underestimating him as he was a very good player that got a couple of rings and nearly got a 3rd had his team not come up against a very hot Packers' team in 2010/11. 

Hines Ward might have been the best blocking WR of the modern era. They outlawed blindside blocks on DBs in large part because of him just lighting some guys up on running plays. He was a WR that DBs had their heads on a swivel looking for on every run play.

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