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I thought the Mich. St. screw job a couple years ago was bad, this topped that one by alot

Oh wait, I just saw via Twitter @dumbassofficial....book deal is money

what a fitting way to end the game - refs made a number of bad calls the entire game but that last play takes the cake 

 

Gary Andersen 

 

"we got no explanation from the officials" 

 

The play call was fine. There were 18 seconds left. The problem was:

 

1) WTF is Stave doing, just putting the ball on the ground. That created the confusion in the first place. Just put a knee on the ground like a normal person and there's zero confusion.

 

2) The refs. I have no idea whether putting a ball on the ground like Stave did is a fumble or not. What's damn sure, though, is the refs need to blow the play dead if there's confusion. You either give the ball to ASU if that's a fumble, or, you let WI snap and down it for the FG. You don't sit there with your thumbs up your ass and let some guy just flop on the ball and the time run out. Brutal.

I agree 100%, RR.

These refs were slanted towards ASU all night.

 

Stave should have downed the ball with a kneel down.

 

Then the goofy refs blew it...incredulous!

I've seen the replay like 10 times and still can't tell if Stave took a knee. He may have when an o-line man backed into him. It was the oddest kneel down I've ever seen.

But regardless, the officials just blew it. You can't just let a game end like that in confusion. You just can't. Blow a whistle, discuss what you saw, use replay if necessary. But don't let the game end with an ASU guy on top of the ball and officials just staring at each other. Awful.

But Stave did put his knee down.

 

Go back and watch the replay again. He clearly put his knee down, as shown by the above pictured.

The play call was fine. His knee hit, and there were 15 seconds left. Centering the ball was the right thing to do. Had the ASU defender not laid on top of the ball, which should have been delay of game, and had the ref not prevented Wisconsin from running a play, Stave would have spiked it, and we kick a chip shot field goal to win.

 

There was no review of the final play. The zebras just ran off the field.

 

To borrow from Rounders, compared to this, the simultaneous possession touchdown catch against Seattle feels like a Swedish massage.

 

I'm very ticked right now. How many times can football teams from Wisconsin get jobbed by officials?

 

The Michigan State game last year.

Packers vs Seattle

Packers vs 49ers last week (replaying 3rd down)

Hell, go back to the 1998 playoffs against the Niners. Jerry Rice fumbled! 

Simply incredible.  This one is on Gary Anderson. 

 

I worry a lot when the ball is in Stave's hand, but that wasn't his fault.  GA needs to stop calling the "Stave Shallow Pass" so often. 

 

 

I need to be more clear, GA should have just kicked the ball instead of running the play anyway, but incompetent officials are why there wasn't a chance to win it (I still worried the kick could be shanked).  Amazingly incompetent for the refs to sit with their thumbs up their asses for 15 seconds. 

I thought I had seen it all, but officials never cease to amaze me. Most of the stuff I've this morning seems to support that the Badgers got screwed. But it's still a L in the win/loss column.

How was a PAC-12 officiating crew get to call this game??  No wonder UW got robbed.  I am so pi**ed right now over that ending!!

At first I would agree they should have just kicked it but after watching replays they had plenty of time.  While it may have appeared to be an awkward play he did knee down and the officials allowed the DL to sit on the ball for almost 10 seconds before spotting it.  At the very least they should have blown the play dead and reviewed it.  None of that occurred and its a shameful performance by the refs and cost Wiscousin a legit chance to win.  Pathetic 

Kneeing the ball doesn't stop the clock.  They still had to get the kicking team on in 18 seconds.  Why didn't he spike the ball?

Did you see the end?  That's where the refs screwed up - the Badgers were lined up waiting for the ball to be spotted so they COULD spike the ball but the dumb-a$$ refs didn't spot it because the A$U player was laying on it for 10 seconds.   No way that shouldn't have been a delay of game penalty on the defense.

Because the refs didn't allow Wis. to line up and snap again. You did see the play, no?

You can bet some big money, if that was OState, Michigan or Bama they'd brought everyone back out for a chance at the FG.

 

There is no doubt in my mind that would of occurred.

Kneeling down should have stopped the play - then the refs spot and place the ball and the Badgers spike it and kill the clock- the FG unit comes on and they have a good chance to win it with a 30 yarder.   The ASU defender should have been flagged for delay of game.  Ridiculous

I wrote the NCAA  and told them how I felt about the way the game ended. The way the refs ran off the field was the frosting on that pile of scat that was the last 30 seconds of the game. That crew needs a suspension for the year.  

I just want to add.. I am still pissed today about this

I know al and ic like to think a knee wasn't taken and it was a fumble, but you can clearly hear the whistles blow from stripes (the one thing they did right on the play.  Once the state guys piled on, it should have been a delay of game flag.

 

 

(9/15/2013 11:13:00 AM) - Al

I watched the first half of the Badgers' game last night, and hit the DVR button before going to bed. I just watched it, and I saw it as a fumble...Stave looked to set the ball on the ground without taking a knee. I'm sure many biased observers saw it differently.

 

Only a casual would think it was a fumble after the whistle. 

Is that guy you posted laughing at Kirk Ferentz's buyout?  If so....I'd agree, hilarious how Ferentz got over on Iowa with that contract.

 

Iowa's program status is losing at home to MAC teams, which certainly illicites.....

I was also in the "just kick the damn ball" camp.

 

Today (9/16), jsonline's Jeff Potrykus who covers the Badgers, says French is  more accurate from the center of the field and left hash mark than the right hash mark.

 

Andersen lamented after the Tenn Tech game that their deficient kicking was going to cost them games. I think it did this weekend.

I was at the game - 20 yd line.  It happened right in front of me.  

 

1. his knee did touch

2. even if it didnt there is a rule that states something about simulating a knee - its in the rule book

3. ref 1 was correct to blow whistle

4. ref 2 blew it allowing 3 asu players to jump on ball at about the 15 second mark.

5. ref 2 (this pisses me off most), put his hand in the face of our o-line telling them to hold-off at about the 5 second mark, only allowing them to 'LINE UP' at about 2 seconds.

6. ref #2 starts running for the end-zone as soon as time expires.

 

Some have said the play should be reviewed, but in a way, there is nothing to review.  The one ref correctly blew the ball dead.   They would have stopped the clock for a change of possession if they thought it was a fumble.  There was no other play.  The violation was the delay of game, a non-call.   Even with the piling on, we could have maybe had 1 second left if the ref isn't putting the stop sign up to our team.

 

 

This sequence of events was a failure on many levels most obviously by the officials. While I think Stave/Wisconsin made the right moves and did what normally would have been sufficient to get the kneel-down and spike the ball in plenty of time, the one flaw being everything has to happen efficiently and without any hiccups to keep extra time from expiring. Obviously that did not happen here. The only way to take those other possibilities out of the equation is to find a way to keep a timeout in your pocket to kneel and immediately use it or to kick the ball from where it was before the kneel down debacle occurred.

 

Unfortunately it was difficult to see on the TV angle that he had knelt down so even the ESPN studio guys had no clue what really had transpired at the end. I know I had trouble seeing it until B10network had a slightly different angle that clearly showed he had knelt down.

I could take missing the last second field goal but for these kids to do everything necessary to win the game and then have the rug pulled out from them in this manner is a pretty difficult pill to swallow. I hope that it motivates them to excel in an attempt to keep from putting themselves in this do or die position for the the rest of the season.

The whistle blew, loud and clear.  How often do you see guys pile on a ball after the whistle blows and it is OK? 

PAC-12 reprimands crew

 

 

 

Not that these refs would of caught this, but there is a new rule, about not being able to spike the ball with 3 seconds or less

I just got done watching "Highly Questionable" on ESPN, and they even said that UW got screwed.  What they also brought up is the AZ FG that was clearly no good.  Why wasn't that FG reviewed?

 

I am still pi**ed off about this game!

 

I am pretty sure the rule is if the ball is higher than the uprights, the kick cannot be reviewed.  

From now on any QB taking a knee should immediately after the whistle blows hand the ball to the ref.

So the Pac-Ten is going to reprimand the officials yet they did nothing wrong as some might suggest?   Huh?

 

I wonder if Al and IC have heard of the Lindbergh baby?

 

Knuckledraggaville is missing their idot.   Al is the mayor and IC is the Chief of Po Po

 

 

Hmmm, the rule about not being able to spike a ball is basically stupid, but it does exist.   I really don't understand the logic for this.  

 

But whatever, if it exists, I think that trying to center the ball with 18 (15 seconds left) is too risky.    We only really had 12 seconds to run a play, line up and spike it.

 

The refs still botched this terribly, but at least we have some satisfaction that they admit they did not act with enough urgency.......

http://www.sbnation.com/colleg...tter-karma-wisconsin

At least some wags on Twitter are trying to salvage humor from the PAC-12's screw job.

 

Some gems from #ThingsBetterThanPac12Officiating:

 

• Danny O Brien's career at UW
• Fire alarms at 3 am
• NFL replacement refs
• Finding out her name was Rob
• Showering with Jerry Sandusky
• People taking the elevator to the 2nd floor
• Jen Bielema

I won't be happy until they suspend the refs for 2 games.  Set the tone that the Pac-12 refs aren't as bad as the old WAC Conference refs used to be (egad....they were horrible).