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NumberThree posted:

I've said it a dozen times that it is too early to count this team out in the NFC this year.If Rodgers is able to come back in Week 15 the Packers only need to squeak out 2-3 wins with Hundley.

Look at the schedule.

Realistically they have to be at least 7-6 if Rodgers returned in Week 15 (which I would say is overly optimistic) if they then win out. The Panthers look terrible right now, but that is still a team with a lot of talent (and the type of mobile QB that gives them fits) and even with Rodgers that game is no easy win - even at home, so a loss there would put them at 7-7. That means they may need to go 4-2 in the next 6 games to go in to the least 3 weeks at 8-5 (to account for an 8-6 record after a loss to the Panthers).

The Packers will be heavily favored in one game: at Browns

They will be moderate favorites in two games: vs. Ravens, vs. Bucs

They will be within a FG or so in terms of the betting line in 2 games: vs. Lions, at Bears

They will be at least a 10 point underdog at Pittsburgh

If you assume a win against the Browns and a loss against Pittsburgh (I would say the chances of a loss vs. Cleveland and a win vs. Pittsburgh are equally unlikely), then they have to go 3-1 with 3 home games vs. Lions, Ravens, and Bucs and 1 road game against the Bears. The Ravens, Bucs, and Bears shouldn't put up huge point totals which gives us a good chance, while the Lions may hang a big number on us and we'll have to outscore them.

 

Lambeau Lobo posted:

...this can be a magical season.  Allow me to put on my green & gold glasses for a moment and make a prediction.

Over the next 48 hours it will be confirmed that Rodgers has a chance of returning by week 16 or 17.  Over the next 8-9 games, Hundley will prove that he belongs in this league.  Our injury situation will improve at other positions improves, and the Packers will play around .500 ball (give or take a game) with Hundley under center (BTW, that success will significantly improve his value and result in the Packers getting a good draft pick for Hundley next off-season).  Rodgers will indeed return by week 16 and help the Packers secure a playoff spot by beating the Vikings and Lions.  The Packers will go on to win the Super Bowl on the very field where it appeared that their season effectively ended just months earlier.   

So let it be written, so let it be done.

Added Bonus: The win against the Queens will knock them out of the playoffs.

 

Extra Added Bonus: Queens win the North and the Pack beats them in the Championship game in The Big Stapler in front of PA and the rest of those twit Queenie fans! 

Brainwashed Boris posted:

Until the defensive issues of "mis-communication" - "players lined up in the wrong spot" - "not enough players on the field" - "too many players on the field" - "middle of the field wide open" - "tackling issues" - "coverage issues" get resolved, this team is going nowhere with Hundley under center.

Burnett. And that sucks. And that's on Capers. Certainly there has to be another guy on the D who can handle the dot. Right? 

YATittle posted:
Hungry5 posted:

Have to get to 10. Then, they need 2 of the following 3 teams to lose 2 of their final 4 - CAR, SEA, ATL.

So this week:  NOS @ ATL (TNF), MIN @ CAR, and SEA @ JAX.

All 3 could lose this week.

We will have tiebreaker over CAR and SEA if we win out...

Tiebreakers change if 3 or more teams tied.

Here's a make-believe but potentially accurate scenario that most upsets me:

1. Packers put AR on IR and he can't come back until Week 15.

2. Packers need to be at least 7-6 come Week 15 to be in the Playoffs.

3. MM goes all in on Hundley.

3. Packers lose Week 14 and are 6-7.

4. Rodgers could have played in Week 14 but can't because IR.

5. Rodgers sits the rest of the year and we stomach Hundley going 0-4 down the stretch throwing a total of 7 touchdowns and 16 INTs in his first (partial) season playing in the NFL.

Or;

1. We run the ball down the Browns throat.

2. Rodgers comes back and wins out. We get help from other NFC teams and get the 6.

3. Our win over the Queens in Week 16 means they don't get home field throughout the Playoffs.

4. Rodgers destroys the Queens in the divisional and we head back to the NFC Championship game.

 

The table is set, have a seat.

Open screen door

The Packers have had huge problems defending the screen pass ever since the New Orleans Saints screened them to death in Week 7. Those issues continued Sunday.

One of the weaknesses of their defense, at least when they play their base or standard nickel, is the lack of speed at inside linebacker with Blake Martinez and Jake Ryan. The two — and especially Martinez — have been very good against the run all season. But they have trouble getting out to screens and getting deep enough drops in downfield coverage.

Each did make a good play defending a screen against the Bucs. With the Bucs in hurry-up offense late in the second quarter, Martinez helped hold them to a field goal when he read a screen, beat a double-team block in the open field and dropped halfback Peyton Barber for only a one-yard gain. And on a first down in the third quarter, Ryan read a screen and tackled Barber in the open field for no gain.

But Ryan also was responsible for a 34-yard gain on a Barber screen about halfway through the second quarter. On that one, Ryan bit hard on a run fake, and when he realized it was a pass turned to run full speed to his drop spot. He knew he couldn’t get to his spot by using the technique he’s supposed to — a 45-degree turn so he can have eyes on the backfield while dropping.

With Ryan’s back to the play, Bucs quarterback Jameis Winston dumped off the screen, and Barber had a huge alley for the 34-yard pickup.

Late in the fourth quarter with the score tied, Martinez missed an open-field tackle just past the line of scrimmage that sprung running back Charles Sims for what would have been a huge 20-yard gain. But the play was called back because Bucs center Evan Smith was penalized for blocking Martinez in the back. Smith did push Martinez in the back, so the call was correct. But it appeared to come a split second after Sims already had juked the linebacker, so it probably didn’t affect the play.

Expect the Packers’ defense to see plenty more screens in the final month of the season.

 

Ghost of Lambeau posted:
Hungry5 posted:

In what world could Rodgers play a little more than 6 weeks after surgery?

In the same world that JT Barrette (spell?) could have an operation one week and play the next.   

I haven't read exactly what Barrett had, but the following scenario might be what happened (the same discussion happened with Russell Westbrook in the playoffs a few years ago).

If you get a slight tear in the meniscus, there's a flap of tissue that can "catch" and cause a lot of pain and discomfort. There are two surgical options. First, you can go in and fix it so that it is attached where it should be. If you do this, it requires 6-8 weeks of rest to allow the repaired tissue to heal properly. It usually does and then the long-term prognosis of having a normal knee is pretty good. The second option is just to remove the flap entirely. Now you don't have anything that can "catch" and cause pain, but now you basically have a  hole in your meniscus. You can come back and play very quickly with this surgery. That's probably what Barrett did. The problem is that you now set yourself up to have much more significant knee pain the future (5-10 years down the road).

So Barrett likely had a procedure so he could play for OSU that compromises his health long-term and likely reduces his earning potential (if he has any) in the NFL. Who was advising him on this? The OSU staff, Urban Meyer, his teammates?

And people still debate whether these guys should get some sort of stipend to play?  The alumni get to go to a "better" bowl so the school probably gets some more donations to their endowment, OSU had a better chance to play for a National Championship, Urban Meyer gets another conference championship, and Barrett gets to have a bum knee when he's 30.

I'm 58yo. Had my left meniscus scoped at 39yo, and the right when I was 42yo.

I swim and road bike... No issues with either since, though I have significantly changed my diet to eliminate foods that contribute to inflammation. 

I was back to regular activities a few weeks later each time. Full on the swimming and I eased onto the biking. 

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Hungry5 posted:

I'm 58yo. Had my left meniscus scoped at 39yo, and the right when I was 42yo.

I swim and road bike... No issues with either since, though I have significantly changed my diet to eliminate foods that contribute to inflammation. 

I was back to regular activities a few weeks later each time. Full on the swimming and I eased onto the biking. 

Did they do the complete repair or just remove the damaged tissue?

MichiganPacker posted:
Hungry5 posted:

I'm 58yo. Had my left meniscus scoped at 39yo, and the right when I was 42yo.

I swim and road bike... No issues with either since, though I have significantly changed my diet to eliminate foods that contribute to inflammation. 

I was back to regular activities a few weeks later each time. Full on the swimming and I eased onto the biking. 

Did they do the complete repair or just remove the damaged tissue?

My left meniscus tore all the way loose from where it sat on the bone and jammed into the joint, locking up my entire leg. Yes, it hurt. They removed it, then as I continued to play sports the articular cartilage chipped away until my leg was bone on bone. Today I have a "fake" knee. 

Once you start removing even pieces of meniscus, you definitely set yourself up for long-term problems in both stability and arthritis. The college football factory doesn't care about any kid's future, NFL or not. 

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