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@BrainDed posted:


You have to move on from this guy.   We should have moved on from him after the 49s ass whopping.   It's Dom Capers all over again and it makes me want to puke.  How many playoff losses will it take this time?

Depends on how long Pettine's contract runs for.

The organization looks, especially with the pandemic-related precipitous drop in income, to not be very eager to pay coaches not to coach as that appeared to be the chief reason Pettine was hired in the first place (and why Darren Rizzi was not hired so MLF was forced to settle for Mennenga to "coach" the STs).

Did Pettine get some additional time on his deal after MM's 2018 firing?

Who knows, but if he still has 2+ years on his contract I think Dom, I mean Mike, is back for another run in 2021.

If MLF can’t articulate, or isn’t allowed to articulate his reasons for wanting his own picked coaches/coordinators, especially after two consecutive seasons of failures on D and ST, then he should walk. The only thing I can think of is maybe he has a handshake agreement with Murphy/Gute to keep them. It’s a straw man, but if that’s the case, shame on the org.

Talent at ILB or not, it is inexcusable to not have 2 deep with :08 left in the half and zero timeouts -- fucking RGE -- resume' generating event.

That is not putting your players, with weaknesses that you are WELL aware of, in the proper position to succeed. That's coaching. If they don't get rid of Pettine this year -- this team will continue being the 3rd or 4th best team in the league. Or worse.

Why is Pettine still employed?

#WIPSE

#FYP

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@Boris posted:

Talent at ILB or not, it is inexcusable to not have 2 deep with :08 left in the half and zero timeouts -- fucking RGE -- resume' generating event.

That is not putting your players, with weaknesses that you are WELL aware of, in the proper position to succeed. That's coaching. If they don't get rid of Pettine this year -- this team will continue being the 3rd or 4th best team in the league. Or worse.

Why is Pettine still employed?

#WIPSE

#FYP

No reason at all for Pettine to remain employed.

#IBYWT

Situational football. Game awareness. Either Pettine can't communicate it, or he is clueless in these areas.

Play before the half. Tampa was OUT OF TIMEOUTS. There were 8 seconds left and they were at the GB 39. Anything, anything before the EZ and the clock likely runs out.



Don't care which D was called, he has to, MUST, have his players aware of the situation. How fucking stupid can Pettine and/or King be?

#FYMP

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@H5 posted:

Situational football. Game awareness. Either Pettine can't communicate it, or he is clueless in these areas.

Play before the half. Tampa was OUT OF TIMEOUTS. There were 8 seconds left and they were at the GB 39. Anything, anything before the EZ and the clock likely runs out.



Don't care which D was called, he has to, MUST, have his players aware of the situation. How fucking stupid can Pettine and/or King be?

#FYMP

YUP! He needs to go. Should be gone by now. He can take Murphy with him as well.

@DH13 posted:

I thought TB had 1 TO left?  Now I'm pissed all over again.

I thought they had one timeout left as well. I thought originally they were trying to take away the 8-10 yard pass to prevent a makeable FG attempt, but I thought they had to defend the whole field. But they only had to defend the out routes and someone on the thread mentioned that Alexander was 10 yards back at the snap and was backing up to prevent anything long, so it wasn't like they were directed to play up and stop the short out routes?

An honest question is why they didn't they bench King at the half for clearly blowing a coverage? Could Tramon have been any worse?

Statistically, the Packers had a decent defense. They finished at 9th in total yards allowed, 7th vs the pass, 13th vs the rush, and 13th in points allowed.

I can't reconcile that with what I see with my eyes, though.
I see an underperforming DL (as a unit), s-l-o-w LBs, and a good-to-very good backfield.
I also see a defense that gives up too many 3rd and long conversions, scheme be damned. A defense that has problems setting an edge vs the rush.

The biggest reason I want to see Pettine replaced is he gets schooled by teams with moderate-to-potent passing attacks. Shanahan/LaFleur did it with SF last year, Arians/Byron Leftwich(!) this year. Twice.
It's bad enough to happen during the regular season, but in the playoffs is especially embarrassing.

Brady had a passer rating of 73 Sunday ....SF threw 8 passes the entire game last season  so I don't see any evidence for your theory. Other than the inexcusable call at end of first half it is all about individual players. As I'ver\ posted before, how many of our defensive players would start on TB? Based on Sunday's game 3; Clark, Alexander, and one of our safeties. That is it. In the biggest games your best players have to win one on ones .... Z. Smith was the "invisible man" Sunday. I know everyone wants a DC that will "play like TB does" .... well one thing that would really help is having the talent they do.

@FLPACKER posted:

Brady had a passer rating of 73 Sunday ....SF threw 8 passes the entire game last season  so I don't see any evidence for your theory. Other than the inexcusable call at end of first half it is all about individual players. As I'ver\ posted before, how many of our defensive players would start on TB? Based on Sunday's game 3; Clark, Alexander, and one of our safeties. That is it. In the biggest games your best players have to win one on ones .... Z. Smith was the "invisible man" Sunday. I know everyone wants a DC that will "play like TB does" .... well one thing that would really help is having the talent they do.

They noticeably improved vs the run to end the season/post-season compared to earlier in the year and what we saw @ SF last year.  They had also been really good on 3rd down in that same time span.  But there's a couple things that sunk them.

Failure at crunch time and giving up too high yd/catch vs Brady.  Which goes back to others have said about this D vs good QB's.  Add to those two the fact that they had a very weak schedule this year and it leads me to believe some of the D's improvements were a bit misleading and that they weren't "battle tested" going into the playoffs.  Their only win vs. a decent team was TEN who seemed to have a lot of trouble with the snowy field and may just be a bad matchup vs GB. 

The failures of our best players sunday is the most troubling thing to me.  The drops, the fumbles, the lack of pash rush, etc.  It's a lot easier to improve your roster by replacing a few starters with better starters, and replacing your depth with better depth.  But it's nearly impossible (and probably dumb) to replace your best guys with better guys, especially when those better guys are top players in the league. 

The worst errors sunday were mental errors, in crunch time.  How do you fix that and how do you know you've fixed it before you're in those situations again? 

@Boris posted:

Why is Mike Pettine still employed!?!?!?

Great question Boris.  I am sorry to keep beating this dead horse but dammit when will we be able to say "damn that defense is good!"

I have so many examples I can think of for how Pettine has been failing. 

Giving up almost 300 yards rushing? Giving up 300 yards rushing in the NFL? that is unheard of.  Those are stats college defenses give up. 

Preston Smith out in coverage?  who thinks that crap up that its a good idea?

DBs playing really soft with a cushion bigger than the yardage a team has to get for a first down

I said earlier this year its the players but I fully put it on Pettine and the TD at the end of the first half is just inexcusable.  I wouldn't blame #12 if he blew a gasket to anyone that will listen about that call.

@DH13 posted:

They noticeably improved vs the run to end the season/post-season compared to earlier in the year and what we saw @ SF last year.  They had also been really good on 3rd down in that same time span.  But there's a couple things that sunk them.

Failure at crunch time and giving up too high yd/catch vs Brady.  Which goes back to others have said about this D vs good QB's.  Add to those two the fact that they had a very weak schedule this year and it leads me to believe some of the D's improvements were a bit misleading and that they weren't "battle tested" going into the playoffs.  Their only win vs. a decent team was TEN who seemed to have a lot of trouble with the snowy field and may just be a bad matchup vs GB.

The failures of our best players sunday is the most troubling thing to me.  The drops, the fumbles, the lack of pash rush, etc.  It's a lot easier to improve your roster by replacing a few starters with better starters, and replacing your depth with better depth.  But it's nearly impossible (and probably dumb) to replace your best guys with better guys, especially when those better guys are top players in the league.

The worst errors sunday were mental errors, in crunch time.  How do you fix that and how do you know you've fixed it before you're in those situations again?

Good points, but aside from the mental errors we lost a lot of physical battles also. I watched Andy Herman's grading of the players for this game. He said the offensive lineman, other than Linsley, all had negative grades and overall the o-lines lowest grade of the season. On defense Z. Smith had one of the 3 lowest grades. So pretty much along both lines the only match ups we won were Clark & Linsley and lost the other 7

Everyone talks about how “their best players didn’t play well” and I guess I would debate that.

Jaire Alexander played excellent football.  Kenny Clark and Z made plays.   I’d say hands down they are their best defensive players.  Sullivan got beat like a drum.  Redmond was awful.

On offense, Turner and Wagner struggled mightily.   Aaron Jones had a nightmare game as did Kevin King.   But other than Jones I wouldn’t say those others are considered “their best players.”

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