@BenFennell_NFL The zone-read run scheme is a must have with a QB like Hundley... Gives rushing attack extra dimension and defense must account for QB runs...
The zone-read run scheme is a must have with a QB like Hundley... Gives rushing attack extra dimension and defense must account for QB runs... pic.twitter.com/426dzi2gmy
â Ben Fennell (@BenFennell_NFL) December 5, 2017
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Why does anyone really care what Ben Fennell thinks?
Because Ben is right.
Even a broken clock
GBFanForLife posted:Why does anyone really care what Ben Fennell thinks?
This is an interesting post, why should we attend to it?
Ben Fennel is an outstanding football writer....
El-Ka-Bong posted:GBFanForLife posted:Why does anyone really care what Ben Fennell thinks?
This is an interesting post, why should we attend to it?
It is a free world, you don't have to reply to it. Just an honest question. Been seeing a lot of Ben Fennell references lately. Maybe people just like that he has the initials BF?
Nice to see Kendricks block on that play, although he could have stayed with it a little longer downfield.
Of all the guys out there who talk/write about football for a living, Fennell is one of the best at breaking down film. But he is far from perfect.
Oh, and he's not wrong about the read-option with Hundley, but I think even guys like Rodney and Nagler could see that.
Who hasn't been calling for the read option since his first start?
Every single time I hear "Cleveland Browns", I always recall the NFL Championship game following the '65 season. St. Vince's first Championship, and the beginning of the greatest dynasty.
Dominating them on both sides of the ball, and shutting down the "great" Jim Brown.... man, those were the days!
It's sad to think that today's Browns have no real connection to those teams of the '60's, and have become what they have become.
I've looked at this game as being the one that may largely determine MM's future with the club. He has been digging his own grave since ARod's injury, and a loss here could put him in it much faster than expected.
There's not a single reason why the Pack shouldn't dominate and win this game going away. Even if Callahan had to play, for whatever reason, I'd still expect them to win.
That being said, I have no idea which Hundley will play or how this game may unfold. And that's a scary thought.....
Hundley is much better with his legs than his arm and the read-option makes perfect sense.
Timmy! posted:Every single time I hear "Cleveland Browns", I always recall the NFL Championship game following the '65 season. St. Vince's first Championship, and the beginning of the greatest dynasty.
Dominating them on both sides of the ball, and shutting down the "great" Jim Brown.... man, those were the days!It's sad to think that today's Browns have no real connection to those teams of the '60's, and have become what they have become.
I've looked at this game as being the one that may largely determine MM's future with the club. He has been digging his own grave since ARod's injury, and a loss here could put him in it much faster than expected.
There's not a single reason why the Pack shouldn't dominate and win this game going away. Even if Callahan had to play, for whatever reason, I'd still expect them to win.
That being said, I have no idea which Hundley will play or how this game may unfold. And that's a scary thought.....
Which Hundley? How many are there?
This year, the browns are losing by an average of 10.3 points. Hopefully we will keep up that average...or better it.
Much like winning Super Bowls going 0 and 16 is hard.....
I still think we're in danger of being the Browns only W.
I'm terribly nervous about this game.......and I still don't want Aaron to come back.....to prove what??? Just call it a year and be done with it. Now where's my voodoo doll of the queens. 
Timmy! posted:Every single time I hear "Cleveland Browns", I always recall the NFL Championship game following the '65 season. St. Vince's first Championship, and the beginning of the greatest dynasty.
Vince's first?
Lombardi was the coach in '61 & '62 I believe.
Timmy! posted:Every single time I hear "Cleveland Browns", I always recall the NFL Championship game following the '65 season. St. Vince's first Championship, and the beginning of the greatest dynasty.
Dominating them on both sides of the ball, and shutting down the "great" Jim Brown.... man, those were the days!It's sad to think that today's Browns have no real connection to those teams of the '60's, and have become what they have become.
I've looked at this game as being the one that may largely determine MM's future with the club. He has been digging his own grave since ARod's injury, and a loss here could put him in it much faster than expected.
There's not a single reason why the Pack shouldn't dominate and win this game going away. Even if Callahan had to play, for whatever reason, I'd still expect them to win.
That being said, I have no idea which Hundley will play or how this game may unfold. And that's a scary thought.....
it really is kind of sad for what the Browns have become in the last 20 years or whatever it has been since they have been back. The amount of ineptitude is insane. They have had I think ONE playoff appearance since they have been back, I think they have lost 18 or 19 opening games in a row, have started 556 different Qb's, and have not won on a Sunday since Manziel was a starter.
But all of this makes me happy and warms my heart. All of my ex wives family are die hard Browns fans and I hope their misery continues. May sound petty but nope I don't care.
All kidding aside like DH13 I am VERY worried about this one and I immediately became worried when #12 went down.
michiganjoe posted:Hundley is much better with his legs than his arm and the read-option makes perfect sense.
He is also far better out of the shotgun vs under center.
I believe CLE D is top 10, very good vs. the run which is currently our only calling card. They've shown spurts of comptenency on offense but always come up short. GB D needs to keep grinding like they did last week and hope our OL win the game for us again.
Forecast is 30 degrees with a 40% chance of snow. Iâd be more than happy with Hundley attempting 10 or few passes. Of course with that said you know that GB will open up with 7 straight passes.
Am I the only one who found Romeo Crennel to be wildly attractive?
Cleveland D could make life tough for Hundley as they are pretty good. Dom's D could allow Cleveland to look like champs. This game shouldn't be, but seems too much like, a toss-up.
Per Bad Bob McGinn, The Browns have lost 2 of their best pass rushers for the year. The only one left worth anything is Myles Garett.
EDIT: The Browns are also 26th in the NFL in defensive scoring allowing 25.7 points per game. The Packers by comparison are 17th.
Their rushing defense is good, 6th in the NFL allowing 96.9 per game. The Packers are 14th in the NFL.
Dean Lowry is the 4th Packer to win a Defensive Player of the Week Award in the past 5 seasons, joining @haha_cd6, @ClayMatthews52 & @juliuspeppers_ pic.twitter.com/DBqV7sJYuy
â Randall Liu (@RLiuNFL) December 6, 2017
Tavis Smiley posted:Iâd be more than happy with Hundley attempting 10 or few passes.
Avoid having him throw the ball unless all other options have been eliminated.
A must-win game. There are no excuses, every game from here on out has to be "all in" with no room for error.
Make a statement in this game and get Rodgers back on the field. Destiny is not in our own hands, but we control winning out.
Yeah they blew their shot to do something special with the loss to Pittsburgh.
I'm having nightmares of Josh Gordon with 400 yards receiving & 5 TD's this week
Brainwashed Boris posted:Yeah they blew their shot to do something special with the loss to Pittsburgh.
I'm having nightmares of Josh Gordon with 400 yards receiving & 5 TD's this week
The Pitt game, while frustrating, at least showed they can compete. The real problem was the shutout nonsense against the Ravens--at home--coupled with the Lions loss.
Those are two games that should have been won but for terrible play calling and an inability to lead at the QB position. We should be 8-4 right now--no sarcasm.
If the Packers win out they have a 90% chance of getting in. Playing with the Playoffs machine with nothing off-the-wall crazy (unless you count going 4-0 by the Packers crazy) gets us the 6 seed and probably a trip to Minnesota if we win the Wild Card game.
Ben Fennell hates Mexicans. And he's half Mexican. And he hates irony.
Who's gotta problem with self loathing?
Brainwashed Boris posted:Yeah they blew their shot to do something special with the loss to Pittsburgh.
I'm having nightmares of Josh Gordon with 400 yards receiving & 5 TD's this week
You seem to have nightmares every week. Maybe you should get together with Josh Gordon, Lance Kendricks, Geronimo Allison and Aaron Jones, they could probably get you mellowed out.
Good call. I need lower stress in my life.
Brainwashed Boris posted:Yeah they blew their shot to do something special with the loss to Pittsburgh.
I'm having nightmares of Josh Gordon with 400 yards receiving & 5 TD's this week
^^this^^ you are not the only one having this nightmare. If Dom's D gives up that much I say leave him in Cleveland that would be a suitable punishment.
King to IR, he's done for the year.
Sucks about King....
I hope Aaron comes back and calls out Goldie's lack of faith in one of his press conferences. 
Hungry5 posted:Vince's first?
Lombardi was the coach in '61 & '62 I believe.
D'oh!
You're absolutely right, of course.
I guess I was in too big a hurry, and after thinking of the '63 and '64 seasons, was starting anew. Or something....
Bottom line is if they lose to Cleveland it's all for **** anyway and none of this season was worth a crap. I believe the heart of this current team minus Rodgers will be shown on the field this week. After that I'll take my chances moving forward with 12 leading the way and hope things work out in their favor.
Pikes Peak posted:Which Hundley? How many are there?
At least 2.
One of them actually plays pretty decent and looks like a respectable back-up QB.
The other one....yeesh!
For the thin thread the hopes for this season were hanging on, King to IR pretty much shuts it down for me. They really couldn't afford to lose anyone of value in the secondary. Does that bump Randall back out to the boundary?
Time to play spoiler! The tables are turned but I hope these guys treat Dec. 23 as their SB.
I thought the secondary played well against TB -King. TE killed us, but corners were stout.
From JSO: To replace King on the 53-man roster, the Packers activated Demetri Goodson from the physically unable to perform list. Goodson did not practice Wednesday because he was nursing a hamstring injury.
Ben Fennell once found the end of a circle.
Was Dom involved?
This has nothing to do with the Browns game, but I learned today that a good friend of mine died in his sleep last night. 72 years old. We found each other at a sports bar in 1994 watching the Packers, don't remember the game. Been watching with him ever since.
Two years ago he and I and another buddy went to an outdoors show (local South Carolina version of Ducks Unlimited) where they had an auction. 4 tickets for any Panthers home game were one of the items, 50 yard line, maybe 20 rows up. Pack is visiting that year, so we'll go up to $600 and split four ways (with my son as the fourth). We get to $500 and we're about to win, and I said something like "we're gonna get them." He thought I told him to bid, so he did. Ended up costing us $550. We went, had a great time, Packers almost came back. That was the game Newton ripped the Packer banner down in the end zone.
He would've loved x4. Most negative guy I've ever watched games with. Lots of examples, but here's my favorite:
Great play to seal a great victory. Go to about the 30 second mark. Rouse does his leap. What does Alan have to say about the play? "I thought he was supposed to be an athlete? Can't even jump into the stands."
Sorry to derail a bit. RIP, Alan.
RIP Alan. Life is too short to let a football game affect your life. Just one of the many reasons I retired this year.
RIP Alan. BTW whatever happened to Rouse? Drawing a blank regarding him.
RIP Alan....sucks.
Phil Simms just picked Cleveland to win this week on Inside the NFL
Phil Simms is an idiot. So there's that.
YATittle posted:From JSO: To replace King on the 53-man roster, the Packers activated Demetri Goodson from the physically unable to perform list. Goodson did not practice Wednesday because he was nursing a hamstring injury.
When I first saw this I thought it has to be a joke right? I saw where Simms picked the Browns this week and man I am getting nervous.
Browns are 6th best run defense (yds / game allowed), but are 6th worst in pts allowed, and 17th in passing yards allowed. They are -19 in turn-over margin, and are one of the worst in time of possession. CLE has a 31% 3rd down success, which is dead last in the league.
Even with a limited passing game, the Packers should win this game if they stick to the run game. 40+ rush attempts is needed.
Deshon Kizer to Josh Gordon.
I'm already firing up the Bong & shaking my head in disgust.
Brainwashed Boris posted:Deshon Kizer to Josh Gordon.
I'm already firing up the Bong & shaking my head in disgust.
With Josh Gordon in single coverage against Randall, House, or Goodson? I'm guessing Goodson since Dom will figure what better way to reward a long, arduous rehab than by throwing him immediately into the deep end of the pool and seeing if he can survive.
YATittle posted:.... activated Demetri Goodson from the physically unable to perform list.
Doesn't the entire defense qualify for this list?
Goodsen is already reinjured so I doubt he'll be anywhere near Gordon.
Browns already shaking up the front office, mid-week, mid-season. Those types of distractions can't hurt our efforts.
But still on the roster! Most important part.
Per MM, Kevin King will have surgery to fix the shoulder issue he's been dealing with it since college. Sounds like it's finally to a point they just want to fix it so it won't be an ongoing issue.
Goodson "a long shot" to play on Sunday. Of course. 
Not sure if glad or sad.
Lambeau Lobo posted:Browns already shaking up the front office, mid-week, mid-season.
And word is very interested in John Dorsey.
I've seen enough improvement in the team the past couple weeks under Hundley that I think they find a way to win. 3 weeks ago I probably favor the Browns, but I think the Pack gets it done.
I will say this, the Browns will treat this as their Super Bowl knowing they face a team vulnerable without Rodgers. It's one of their last chances for a win.
If they win this and they beat the Bears in a couple weeks, they could lose the #1 overall pick. I know players don't care about that, but you better believe that the front office wants the top pick. Do you think that impacts the decision making within the organization? I wouldn't dismiss the possibility.
Lambeau Lobo posted:If they win this and they beat the Bears in a couple weeks, they could lose the #1 overall pick. I know players don't care about that, but you better believe that the front office wants the top pick. Do you think that impacts the decision making within the organization? I wouldn't dismiss the possibility.
How would one tell the difference between Cleveland tanking and Cleveland being Cleveland?
Packers should prevail if they can run the football reasonably well. If they can't and it comes down to Hundley's arm things could get very dicey.
michiganjoe posted:Lambeau Lobo posted:Browns already shaking up the front office, mid-week, mid-season.
And word is very interested in John Dorsey.
With the Giants **** canning everyone I would guess it's a race for GM candidates.
Brak posted:This has nothing to do with the Browns game, but I learned today that a good friend of mine died in his sleep last night. 72 years old. We found each other at a sports bar in 1994 watching the Packers, don't remember the game. Been watching with him ever since.
So sorry you lost your friend, Brak. My sympathy to you and his family. Hugs.
I'd have to guess x-rays have already been done (and they look good) before they'd place him in pads. Granted he's red shirted of course but padded practice is as good as you get to coming back.
Another step on the Aaron Rodgers' comeback: he's practicing in pads. https://t.co/LiDLgxfyAJ pic.twitter.com/fZ9G4m6nAb
â Rob Demovsky (@RobDemovsky) December 7, 2017
Brainwashed Boris posted:Deshon Kizer to Josh Gordon.
I'm already firing up the Bong & shaking my head in disgust.
Can I come over? I will bring the munchies
How does a guy come off PUP with a hamstring injury?
He never should have come off PUP?
Hammy is better than a broken bone
It may have been the act of coming off pup that injured his hamstring.
pboi - from what I read, no scan until after the Browns game. The scan can limit healing so what I read was he had one right after the surgery and then will wait till the last moment before the next scan and possible activation to the 53.
Since he technically can't be activated until week from tomorrow, he probably gets scanned Thursday after practice. Then if cleared, he is activated on Friday (15th).
Hungry5 posted:Since he technically can't be activated until week from tomorrow, he probably gets scanned Thursday after practice. Then if cleared, he is activated on Friday (15th).
The issue with waiting all the way to next Thursday to x-ray him, is who then practices with the 1's all week next week (assuming the Pack wins Sunday)?
Rodgers would benefit from being with the 1's all week and shaking off the rust as much as he can. If the scan shows it's not healed quite yet, then there would be no point in having him practice all week with the 1's. That should then be #7.
According to local blabber I heard on the radio today, the Packers would have likely not put him in pads unless they already knew or felt almost certain he's good to go. Rationale being, no wouldn't be hit in padded practice, but yes he's running around the field full speed and could fall or risk some inadvertent contact. The mood in the locker room was apparently pretty upbeat today as well.
We won't find out the answer to that question until next week after the Packers take on the Cleveland Browns. According to Jason Wilde of ESPN Wisconsin, the Packers will have Rodgers' collarbone scanned at that time. The reason the Packers aren't doing it now is they don't want extra radiation being pumped into his body according to Wilde.
#Packers QB Aaron Rodgers practiced today, source said, and heâs officially designed as a player to return off IR. This is the next step in the process. Rodgers still isnât cleared and wonât even be scanned until after the #Browns game. Many hurdles to go.
â Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) December 2, 2017
michiganjoe posted:Lambeau Lobo posted:Browns already shaking up the front office, mid-week, mid-season.
And word is very interested in John Dorsey.
Word is they got him.
Sadly, I see us lose. Aaron doesnât come back this season. But next year we make the Super Bowl with very few key injuries.
Oh and Dom gets fired.
PackerPatrick posted:Sadly, I see us lose. Aaron doesnât come back this season. But next year we make the Super Bowl with very few key injuries.
Oh and Dom gets fired. Can you move this one up to this year?
I'd prefer a SB win this year, with or without Capers.
Itâs not happening with Capers.
Unfortunately, it's not happening w/o him either (IMO).
Packers starting corners this week likely to be Randall, Hawkins, Pipkins, and D.Brown.
Sounds like Nick Perry might be pretty iffy as well.
Perry's middle name is Iffy and his "Nick" name is "Always Hurt"!
Heâs sickening
Given our list of likely corners, I fear that Josh Gordon will have a big day in his return to Cleveland.
Today's Captains: Lane Taylor, Mike Daniels, Jeff Janis!!!
MM trying to make a statement about winning the line of scrimmage and special teams today. Should be a shoot out!
Can Janis really be trusted to call a coin flip? Perhaps after a couple of more years but he surely is not ready yet.
Iâm sure heâll call it quick. Iâm just not certain he knows both options.
Janis may fair catch it. Weather looks a little breezy today. Hope we can run the ball and the wind affects throws to Gordon.
Hiring John Dorsey is a smart move for the Browns, but it doesn't fix the underlying problem. The Browns will continue to be a dysfunctional franchise until they hire themselves a new owner.
Perry inactive and House active in a bit of a surprise.
