Someone might want to look up the Brewers record this year head to head against Pittsburgh and Chicago. Especially in second half of the season.
If my memory is correct it wasn’t good and a big reason they missed the playoffs.
@MichiganPacker posted:Burnes gets pulled after 3 innings today and ends the season with 243 strikeouts in 202 innings and 0.965 WHIP. He'll probably go from 6 million this year to making 12-14 million next year. That means we might have seen the last of Burnes as a Brewer today.
Don't be silly. They will use the $8 million McCutchen was paid this year and the $8 million they will save by buying out Wong. That will cost them $2 million. So there is $16 million right there.
Interesting that Devin Williams was not brought in to close today.
I wouldn't read anything into what happened today.
I think Burnes is a Brewer next year. He'd bring back a ransom if traded, hell, he'd even bring back quality prospects if coupled with Yelich.
I think in two years they keep one of Burnes and Woody. Understanding the returns could be different, but who do you prefer giving a big (HUGE) contract too?
Assuming roughly the same contract I would keep Burnes.
If you want to trade a starter for a bat make it Peralta. Always injured.
@ammo posted:If you want to trade a starter for a bat make it Peralta. Always injured.
He's relatively cheap because they locked him up early. He's at 3.7 million next year and 5.7 million in 2024. Then, the Brewers have options on him for 8 million in 2025 and 2026. if they pick up the options, the Brewers will get him for 25 million over the next 4 years. Burnes (or Woodruff) might get that for one year.
Peralta isn’t going anywhere simply by virtue of his contract. I wish he could stay healthy, but the fact of the matter is he and Ashby have team friendly deals and the Brewers place a high value on those type of players.
@Tschmack posted:Someone might want to look up the Brewers record this year head to head against Pittsburgh and Chicago. Especially in second half of the season.
If my memory is correct it wasn’t good and a big reason they missed the playoffs.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/standings/grid
Brewers dominated the Reds (13-6) and the American League (15-5). Pretty average to below average against the rest.
The 8 game losing streak in June killed them but this six game stretch right after the Hader trade against two of the worst teams in baseball was a big blow. Interesting that Williams got the loss in two of those.
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@MichiganPacker posted:He's relatively cheap because they locked him up early. He's at 3.7 million next year and 5.7 million in 2024. Then, the Brewers have options on him for 8 million in 2025 and 2026. if they pick up the options, the Brewers will get him for 25 million over the next 4 years. Burnes (or Woodruff) might get that for one year.
But another way to look at it is because of that team friendly contract you may get more for him in return than by trading Burnes or Woodruff. Team friendly contracts work both ways. There are always teams looking for players with team friendly deals. Smart GMs use that to get what is needed to get over the hump.
@Tschmack posted:Peralta isn’t going anywhere simply by virtue of his contract. I wish he could stay healthy, but the fact of the matter is he and Ashby have team friendly deals and the Brewers place a high value on those type of players.
#3 or #4 starter types that win you some regular season games (not Ashby this year, unfortunately) but aren't the guys that scare you in the post-season if you have to face them.
Burnes and Woodruff are approaching Verlander/Scherzer status in that regard. You pay a premium for that. I doubt the Brewers do it. There thinking is probably that they'd rather get 2-3 solid players for the same money that help you make the playoffs over the course of 162 games. Having Burnes and Woodruff as your #1 and #2 starters and not making the playoffs is like having two sports cars in your garage that don't get to drive as much as you'd like.
If you are just trying to make the playoffs as your goal, having 5 Honda Pilots is better than 2 Corvettes and 3 Yugos.
@ammo posted:Interesting that Devin Williams was not brought in to close today.
He wasn't near any statistical milestone so I'm guessing the thinking was it wasn't worth any risk to pitch him. That's similar to why they took Burnes out after 3 perfect innings.
Help is on the way to probably and hopefully replace Wong and McCutchen. Will free up money for Burnes and Woodruff. Add in Feliciano at catcher to replace Navarez and the Brewers have about $16 million saved.
Lauer and Houser are both arb 2 being paid about 2M per year so even if their salaries are doubled both guys are worth the 4-5M as starters or long relief guys.
Anybody know why they don't use the runner at 2nd to begin the inning when the game goes more than 9 innings in the playoffs?
Gimmicks are only used in the regular season.
thank you st louis cardinals for participating in the mlb playoffs.
Got to give Hader credit for turning things around
@El-Ka-Bong posted:Got to give Hader credit for turning things around
He had 5 terrible outings in July and August where he gave up 21 runs in 1 and 1/3 of an inning. That's an ERA of approximately 141.8. They bracketed around a trade deadline during a time his wife gave birth after a very difficult pregnancy and he got traded as far away from his wife and newborn son as possible. He also got left in two different games long enough to give up 6 runs each time.
If you look at all his other appearances this year, he's gone 48 2/3 and given up 8 runs. That's an ERA of 1.48.
The Brewers blew 16 late-inning leads after the trade deadline.
Let's just admit what that trade was. It was a salary dump (which was very apparent when they waived Lemet, and didn't even get one of the Padres' top prospects). Ruiz and Gasser are only the 9th and 11th rated Brewer prospects at this point. Rogers was struggling just as bad as Hader when the trade was made. Steans admitted after the season he didn't anticipate how much of an effect the trade had on the clubhouse. That would seem to indicate a complete lack of awareness of what was going on. You trade arguably the best reliever in baseball over the last 4 years while you are in first place for a cheaper downgrade and nothing else that helps you this year and you wonder why the players think you aren't really trying to win?
However, if Gasser and/or Ruiz pan out, it may still be better long-term. The Brewers were going nowhere in the post-season past the first round even if they had made it. The offense just wasn't good enough. Still, if Gasser and Ruiz turn out to never to have an impact it will probably go down as one of the worst trades in Brewer history. It will almost certainly be the worst trade in Brewer history where the player being traded wasn't going to leave as a free agent immediately after the year (if Gasser and Ruiz are career minor leaguers).
Phillies beat the Braves to win series. So now the Phillies beat the Cards and the Braves. We had the pitching but I doubt the Brewers would have scored enough runs to do the same but you never know.
Baseball is crazy. Neither the Brewers nor the Phillies deserved to be in the playoffs, but Philadelphia got in and got on a roll.
Hell of a ballgame in Seattle. 0-0 going bottom of 13th.
Thanks for heads up.
Twin.
Wow.
Hader ends it with 3 straight Ks in the 9th starting with Betts and ending it with Freddie Freeman.
Amazing what those trades did for SD.
San Diego went all in and it worked. Meanwhile, Hader seems to have regained his mojo.
The Padres or Phillies will be in the WS.
@SteveLuke posted:Wow.
Hader ends it with 3 straight Ks in the 9th starting with Betts and ending it with Freddie Freeman.
Amazing what those trades did for SD.
Hader faced the top of the order. Two future Hall-of-Famers (Betts and Freeman) and another multi-time all-star (Trae Turner).
10 pitches, 3 swinging strike 3s.
It would be amazing as a small market club to have him for one more year before free agency. Or, if you didn't want to pay his last year of arbitration, trade him for some major-league ready hitting.
If Hader has truly regained his previous form and Sam Diego ends up in the World Series the Hader trade may go down as one of the worst deals in recent MLB history.
The Brewers could maybe take a page from San Diego. They took some big swings and went for it instead of just being happy to make the playoffs. As a small market team you have to take your shots while you can. Then again, Attanasio seems fine with spending practically nothing and letting Stearns work his magic finding guys in the discount bin. That approach won’t work starting next year with revamped schedule that allowed Milwaukee to pad their regular season son total against a crappy division.
Is it going to happen? Really? Dumbest thread ever
@Tschmack posted:If Hader has truly regained his previous form and Sam Diego ends up in the World Series the Hader trade may go down as one of the worst deals in recent MLB history.
The Brewers could maybe take a page from San Diego. They took some big swings and went for it instead of just being happy to make the playoffs. As a small market team you have to take your shots while you can. Then again, Attanasio seems fine with spending practically nothing and letting Stearns work his magic finding guys in the discount bin. That approach won’t work starting next year with revamped schedule that allowed Milwaukee to pad their regular season son total against a crappy division.
Burnes and Woodruff are likely to both be in the 12-15 million range after arbitration. We'll be lucky if Attanasio pays one of them. If those two walk, this is not even a 75 win team.
The Brewers under Mark A have become fairly predictable. Once guys get in that 15-20M range they will not pay them. Perhaps they take another year with Burnes but there’s almost zero chance both guys return for 2023 and play out a full season with Milwaukee. One or both of them will be dealt.