You don't understand genius. It's about quality, not quantity.
In order to get better stats Daniels should have called him a stable genius.
Just read a notification from ESPN saying the Loins are set up to beat the Packers this week. Also saw they had Philly picked over the vikings because of Philly's pass rush. I would have read more but I did not want to subscribe to ESPN for $5.00/ month. They are just not worth it. Packers 24 Loins 17.
What's the status on Williams, Savage, Adam's, etc...
Also saw they had Philly picked over the vikings
That's not much of a stretch.
Defense plays stronger at home... sure would like to see them get a big lead and not let the opponent get back in it.
mrtundra posted:Just read a notification from ESPN saying the Loins are set up to beat the Packers this week. Also saw they had Philly picked over the vikings because of Philly's pass rush. I would have read more but I did not want to subscribe to ESPN for $5.00/ month. They are just not with it. Packers 24 Loins 17.
Anything to do with BSPN that costs more than 0.00 means you're getting fucked in ways you would never find acceptable. Your choice on the blanks.
Good choice.
Fuck the Loins.
Rodgers is NOT finishing games strong.
As FiveThirtyEight staff writer Josh Hermsmeyer explored this offseason, Rodgers’s once-historic levels of efficiency and effectiveness have dropped in recent years, especially with intermediate throws and play-action passes. Several analysts have noted that his longtime tendency to throw the ball away rather than risk throwing an interception now seems to be yielding negative returns. After Week 5, Rodgers ranks 22nd in passer rating, 25th in touchdown rate, 14th in QBR and 15th in net yards per attempt.
In the same postgame comments, Rodgers dismissed concerns about the offense not scoring late against Dallas by emphasizing the team’s win rather than his own numbers. “Days like today aren’t the best statistical games for myself, but I feel like [I] played my best game,” he said. “The way I kept moving and seeing things. I’ve accomplished a lot statistically in this league. I just want to win now.”
But even this doesn’t make sense. If Rodgers were choosing to focus on winning instead of excelling statistically, he wouldn’t be putting up monster first-half numbers and floundering toward the end, when opponents are trying to claw back into the game. If anything, it would be the other way around.
From the comments: The Packers have played the 4th, 5th, 6th and 10th best defences in the total yards allowed, and the 3rd, 5th, and 7th best defences in points allowed. Rodgers has a new coaching staff to work with as well.
Yes but, but, numbers crunchers know everything!
You watch the games, you know: Rodgers is playing good football.
The biggest problem so far for the offense is sustaining drives. 3rd down efficiency since Week 1 is: 17% (2/12), 33%, (5/15), 22% (2/9), 55% (6/11) and 25% (3/12). Once they've gotten into the red zone, they have been very good, with the Eagles being the outlier. This offense is improving and players are getting more comfortable with it. The run game looked much improved against Dallas. If the D can clamp down on the run a bit better, I think they'll be all right.
YATittle posted:
But even this doesn’t make sense. If Rodgers were choosing to focus on winning instead of excelling statistically, he wouldn’t be putting up monster first-half numbers and floundering toward the end, when opponents are trying to claw back into the game. If anything, it would be the other way around.
How does this make any sense if you jump out to a big lead? Isn't that the goal to start every game, to score? "It would be the other way around"? So don't score early in the game just so you can "finish strong"? Jeebus that's lucid.
I'd like to see scoring comparisons for other QB's on teams that jumped ahead early in games.
1) 5 games is not a huge sample size when you're talking about 43 passes.
2) He's faced the pass defenses ranked 8, 9, 10, 11, and 14 in QB rating and 2, 5, 7, 10, and 13 in overall points allowed.
3) 3 of the games he went a combined 11/14 and 115 yards for a 100 passer rating. Against MIN and PHI he went 16/29, 137 yards, and 1 INT for a 53 rating.
It's more honest to say he's had 2 bad games against really good defenses in Q4 this season than it is to say he's been bad in Q4 this season. He's taking care of the ball overall and we're 3rd in the league in Q4 time of possession. I'm sure everyone would love him to go for the throat, but he's actually being smart with the ball. The defense allowing late points isn't an Aaron Rodgers issue, it's probably a depth issue on defense. Our 1st string front 7 plays a high % of the overall snaps, they might be getting gassed by Q4 (especially KC who is playing A LOT of snaps).
Pistol GB posted:Yes but, but, numbers crunchers know everything!
You watch the games, you know: Rodgers is playing good football.
Yes, we can say Rodgers is playing good ball. But the difference is that he doesn't seem to be playing "Rodgers good" , like the kind of play we saw with the back shoulder throws to Jordy, or that ridiculous pass to Jared Cook to essentially win the 2016 playoff game vs the Cowboys, or that laser dart to Jennings to get a first down and ice the Steelers in the Super Bowl.
Maybe some of those back shoulder throws were just short passes....
RochNyFan posted:Pistol GB posted:Yes but, but, numbers crunchers know everything!
You watch the games, you know: Rodgers is playing good football.
Yes, we can say Rodgers is playing good ball. But the difference is that he doesn't seem to be playing "Rodgers good" , like the kind of play we saw with the back shoulder throws to Jordy, or that ridiculous pass to Jared Cook to essentially win the 2016 playoff game vs the Cowboys, or that laser dart to Jennings to get a first down and ice the Steelers in the Super Bowl.
He also had thousands of more reps with Jordy and Jennings relative to the non-Adams WRs in practice, and more importantly, in live games. I don't think the non-Adams receivers are anywhere near the level of Jordy or Jennings in terms of talent, but it's still unfair to Rodgers and them to expect them to have the same chemistry as guys who played multiple years with Rodgers had.
But even this doesn’t make sense. If Rodgers were choosing to focus on winning instead of excelling statistically, he wouldn’t be putting up monster first-half numbers and floundering toward the end, when opponents are trying to claw back into the game. If anything, it would be the other way around.
Wow, it doesn't get much dumber than this. Did it ever occur to this numb skull that throwing the ball away when ahead in the 2nd half is wiser than throwing the ball away when tied in the 1st half? Taking some risk off the table while up is all about putting the team in the best position to win.
The other way? So he should play it safe in 1st half then go Stat Paddford in the 2nd half when chasing 14?
What a dipshit.
I'm not in favor of overpaying for a vet WR in trade... and I don't think we should ignore the receiving corp turnover the past few years. I like the guys they have after Adams, and I expect they will improve along with the entire offense as the season progresses.
GB is going to boat race Detroit Monday. night. If J Williams goes it's worse than a boat race.
Rodgers is slowly finding his way to lethal in this offense. And it ain't via stats. He's going to kill teams when they allow him to do so. Different QB that we've watched. Smarter. But he's every bit as good as he ever was.
Hungry5 posted:I'm not in favor of overpaying for a vet WR in trade... and I don't think we should ignore the receiving corp turnover the past few years. I like the guys they have after Adams, and I expect they will improve along with the entire offense as the season progresses.
After Adams, I like MVS and EQ. Not sure any of the rest are more than practice squad material. EQ was a big loss IMO.
Emmanuael Sanders cap cost drops 3 million between week 8 and the trade deadline. Not a lot of chatter about that. But there will be.....
ChilliJon posted:GB is going to boat race Detroit Monday. night. If J Williams goes it's worse than a boat race.
Rodgers is slowly finding his way to lethal in this offense. And it ain't via stats. He's going to kill teams when they allow him to do so. Different QB that we've watched. Smarter. But he's every bit as good as he ever was.
I agree on him playing smarter than ever. Before the INT against Philly I really expected him to go an entire season without an INT. He only threw 2 last year.
Davante Adams just spoke for the first time since picking up a turf toe in Week 4. He said he’s not sure if he’s playing Monday night, but said his toe isn’t how he wants it to feel. He certainly didn’t sound like someone optimistic he’ll play.
— Matt Schneidman (@mattschneidman) October 10, 2019
ChilliJon posted:GB is going to boat race Detroit Monday. night. If J Williams goes it's worse than a boat race.
Rodgers is slowly finding his way to lethal in this offense. And it ain't via stats. He's going to kill teams when they allow him to do so. Different QB that we've watched. Smarter. But he's every bit as good as he ever was.
Detroit is really coming on ...they are buying in with Patricia
Ain't gonna be no boat racin
D Adams isn't playing a snap until after the bye week. Tough injury for a WR or CB to return from.
oldschool posted:ChilliJon posted:GB is going to boat race Detroit Monday. night. If J Williams goes it's worse than a boat race.
Rodgers is slowly finding his way to lethal in this offense. And it ain't via stats. He's going to kill teams when they allow him to do so. Different QB that we've watched. Smarter. But he's every bit as good as he ever was.
Detroit is really coming on ...they are buying in with Patricia
Ain't gonna be no boat racin
You teach Patricia the art of coaching? Howe to canoe race using river currents?
Hungry5 posted:What's the status on Williams, Savage, Adam's, etc...
Per Wes Hodkiewicz:
Davante Adams and Tony Brown were present but not practicing #Packers.
BJ Goodson, Corey Linsley (in concussion protocol) and Jamaal Williams (cleared concussion protocol) were all practicing.
Didn’t see Darnell Savage or Robert Tonyan.
edit: just after I posted the official injury report for today came out.
https://heavy.com/sports/2019/...port-week-6-packers/
Lions injury report
13X posted:Hungry5 posted:I'm not in favor of overpaying for a vet WR in trade... and I don't think we should ignore the receiving corp turnover the past few years. I like the guys they have after Adams, and I expect they will improve along with the entire offense as the season progresses.
After Adams, I like MVS and EQ. Not sure any of the rest are more than practice squad material. EQ was a big loss IMO.
I think he was a big loss as well. Huge catch radius and smart player.
ChilliJon posted:oldschool posted:ChilliJon posted:GB is going to boat race Detroit Monday. night. If J Williams goes it's worse than a boat race.
Rodgers is slowly finding his way to lethal in this offense. And it ain't via stats. He's going to kill teams when they allow him to do so. Different QB that we've watched. Smarter. But he's every bit as good as he ever was.
Detroit is really coming on ...they are buying in with Patricia
Ain't gonna be no boat racin
You teach Patricia the art of coaching? Howe to canoe race using river currents?
I think the difference will be our pass rush. Stafford will be hurried to get rid of the ball giving our DBs INT opportunities. Rodgers playing well only adds to loins misery. GO PACK, GO!
YATittle posted:As FiveThirtyEight staff writer Josh Hermsmeyer explored this offseason, Rodgers’s once-historic levels of efficiency and effectiveness have dropped in recent years, especially with intermediate throws and play-action passes. Several analysts have noted that his longtime tendency to throw the ball away rather than risk throwing an interception now seems to be yielding negative returns. After Week 5, Rodgers ranks 22nd in passer rating, 25th in touchdown rate, 14th in QBR and 15th in net yards per attempt.
In the same postgame comments, Rodgers dismissed concerns about the offense not scoring late against Dallas by emphasizing the team’s win rather than his own numbers. “Days like today aren’t the best statistical games for myself, but I feel like [I] played my best game,” he said. “The way I kept moving and seeing things. I’ve accomplished a lot statistically in this league. I just want to win now.”
But even this doesn’t make sense. If Rodgers were choosing to focus on winning instead of excelling statistically, he wouldn’t be putting up monster first-half numbers and floundering toward the end, when opponents are trying to claw back into the game. If anything, it would be the other way around.
I disagree. It is because Rodgers is trying to win rather than pad stats that the 2nd half numbers are worse.
He's had leads in every game but Philly at the half (down 1 pt). He doesn't need nor should he try to fling the ball all over the field in such situations. Ending the game with the lead is the goal. And when you have the lead the quicker the game ends the better.
I don't think Rodgers is making audibles out of run call nearly as much as he did with MM. I also think the terribly predictable routes the Packers used to run had a great effect on Rodgers efficiency ratings quoted in that article.
How tough must it be for a QB to complete a pass to a WR on the sidelines, with a defender closer than a 2nd coat of paint on his back? That was 95% of MMs offense script. He never liked the free running WR but loved to t tough guy one on one where GB told the DB what route they were going to run and tried to complete the pass anyways.
Having some real receiving threats beyond Adams would be nice too. A Jones is finally a RB who can get into space and make something happen. But they need someone else and a TE who can run, catch and doesn't fall down if he gets looked at wrong.
NFL.com analytics expert Cynthia Frelund listing the Lions as her "sleeper" team this week and spelling out how Detroit can spring a Monday night upset on Green Bay:
SLEEPER TEAM
Detroit Lions: Despite taking the field without Pro Bowl cornerback Darius Slay and losing stout safety Quandre Diggs in the second quarter, the Lions nearly knocked off the high-flying Chiefs in Week 4, holding reigning MVP Patrick Mahomes without a single completion of 20-plus air yards in a game for the first time in his professional career, per Next Gen Stats. That's an impressive feat, even in a losing effort. And this kind of play bodes well for the 2-1-1 Lions' big "Monday Night Football" showdown with the division rival Packers (4-1) in Lambeau Field. Speaking of attempts of 20-plus air yards, Matthew Stafford has already connected on such passes 11 times in just four games. Last season, he had a total of 19 over the full season. Unsurprisingly, Stafford's air-yards-per-attempt average has gone from 7.0 in 2018 (ranking 31st among qualifying QBs) to 11.1 (first) this season, per NGS.
The Lions win this enticing NFC North bout if two things happen:
1) Detroit's run concepts and O-line keep Stafford free from Green Bay's pressure long enough for him to get vertical.
2) Detroit's defense, which boasts the lowest completion-percentage allowed on third down (44.4 percent), limits big plays (runs of 10-plus yards and passes of 20-plus), especially early in the game.
1) DET's deep ball will be a bigger problem with Savage sidelined...unless the Smiths can get to him often.
2) GB's struggles on 3rd down align well for DET here also.
MLF and the OL need to get Jones going early and often just like in DAL. The rest of the game can flow from there. If they can't it will be tough sledding without much of a passing threat.
They've played some very good defenses. They've had early leads and held on long enough to win games. I said after Sunday that Rodgers decision making is questionable to me. These ends to games have been too reminiscent of the previous 3-4 years, with the inability to salt the game away. Rodgers is too good to be in such situations week in and week out.
In retrospect, there is a difference to this. The last yrs of MM the defense couldn't catch a cold. The offense was constantly put in positions of disadvantage, and many times couldn't sustain drives or flip the field which played right into disadvantage for the defense as well.
The Philly and Dallas games showed that the offense is finding their way. AR and the offense did some really good things against the Eagles, and without DA and JW they were able to exploit the few weaknesses of a good Cowboys D. And maybe I wasn't accounting for how well 12 did having to play within the offense and spread the ball to different guys since he didn't have his security blanket. It might be more appropriate to see this like 4 losing Sharpe and having no choice to adjust and get more people involved. They did a nice job of using the run game, using Graham, Lewis, Tonyan, Jones out of the backfield and taking what was given in order to move the sticks.
It's a 5 game sample size. And maybe I'm guilty of attaching the last years of McCarthy to this new system. I think the past 2 games we are seeing them find their footing, and there will be some warts. I'm still not crazy about some of 12's mechanics and off balance throws. But if the offense is displaying that they're gaining a grasp of things, they deserve the time and opportunity to grow into the system. If AR is efficient and smart with the football, and we have no reason to believe he won't be, the W's will outweigh the style points come December. The same should apply for the defense as well. They were gashed against the Birds, but went to Dallas and helped in a big way to get a sizeable lead. The one thing that's been evident is that Pettine's schemes are allowing his guys to be in positions to make plays. 4-1 with issues that will get ironed out with gametime reps is a pretty good place to be considering the upheaval of the past year.