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They are definitely going to scout what other teams did that was successful against the Niners this year and implement their version of whatever it was. Better watch a lot of Seattle tape. Really all the division games except for the first Rams game. 

Rodgers is going to have to get a couple first downs with his legs. 

Lazard, GMO, Tonyan, Jace.....maybe Ervin. Someone other than Jones & Adams is going to need to make a play at some point in the game. 

It doesn’t have to be Adams.  Or even Lazard.  You just need ONE of the other WRs to have a good/great game.  And it’s not out of the realm of possibility. Think one game playoff sensation Jeff Janis.  Can’t count on it to happen, but I think Allison or MVS could be that guy for one game.

I agree they need to study some tape of what the Rams, Saints, Seahawks and even the Cardinals did to the Niners. Those teams put up some points on them.

So I know I am being Capt. Obvious but the first thing the Packers need to do run the damn ball.  SF was in the the bottom in 10 in the NFL in rushing yards allowed this year with something like 128 yards per game.  Guys, if the OL plays better this time they run the ball this will keep the 49ers from pinning their ears back and rushing the passer the worst 14-3 team ever has a shot.

I would bet that the leaders on this team are making sure everyone has their heads on straight this time and I think they will come out breathing fire wanting revenge.  

ammo posted:

I look for Aaron Jones to be the Packers leading receiver.  Whether lined up in a natural WR position or quick passes out of the backfield, Jones will get er done. 

I think GMO will see more balls coming his way. Valdes Scantling, too.

First game pretty much deteriorated when Light replaced Bulaga and there won't be a repeat of that. A very difficult game to win but I don't expect anything close to the drubbing they got in November.

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...Sunday's meeting between the Packers and 49ers will be the 37th time in the Super Bowl era that teams will meet in the playoffs after one team beat the other by at least 25 points during the regular season. The team that won the first meeting is 22-14 in the ensuing matchup...

mrtundra posted:
ammo posted:

I look for Aaron Jones to be the Packers leading receiver.  Whether lined up in a natural WR position or quick passes out of the backfield, Jones will get er done. 

I think GMO will see more balls coming his way. Valdes Scantling, too.

Why?  They've shown zero reason they should be more involved in the pass game other than their spectacular blocking. 

Ervin has more potential as a receiver right now.

The Heckler posted:

I agree they need to study some tape of what the Rams, Saints, Seahawks and even the Cardinals did to the Niners. Those teams put up some points on them.

So I know I am being Capt. Obvious but the first thing the Packers need to do run the damn ball.  SF was in the the bottom in 10 in the NFL in rushing yards allowed this year with something like 128 yards per game.  Guys, if the OL plays better this time they run the ball this will keep the 49ers from pinning their ears back and rushing the passer the worst 14-3 team ever has a shot.

I would bet that the leaders on this team are making sure everyone has their heads on straight this time and I think they will come out breathing fire wanting revenge.  

Maybe they should go with a heavy package a bit with an extra lineman, ala Sherman's Bacon package.  Might bring the safeties closer to the box and free up some routes.  It was also really hard to get to Wilson when the Seahawks brought in an extra lineman, so it can be used for the passing game as well, especially against that d-line.  

RochNyFan posted:
The Heckler posted:

I agree they need to study some tape of what the Rams, Saints, Seahawks and even the Cardinals did to the Niners. Those teams put up some points on them.

So I know I am being Capt. Obvious but the first thing the Packers need to do run the damn ball.  SF was in the the bottom in 10 in the NFL in rushing yards allowed this year with something like 128 yards per game.  Guys, if the OL plays better this time they run the ball this will keep the 49ers from pinning their ears back and rushing the passer the worst 14-3 team ever has a shot.

I would bet that the leaders on this team are making sure everyone has their heads on straight this time and I think they will come out breathing fire wanting revenge.  

Maybe they should go with a heavy package a bit with an extra lineman, ala Sherman's Bacon package.  Might bring the safeties closer to the box and free up some routes.  It was also really hard to get to Wilson when the Seahawks brought in an extra lineman, so it can be used for the passing game as well, especially against that d-line.  

Sorry for the repetitive post.  Replied to an earlier comment before reading a couple of the comments preceding mine.  Great minds think alike.

RochNyFan posted:
 Maybe they should go with a heavy package a bit with an extra lineman, ala Sherman's Bacon package.  Might bring the safeties closer to the box and free up some routes.  It was also really hard to get to Wilson when the Seahawks brought in an extra lineman, so it can be used for the passing game as well, especially against that d-line.  

I like the idea, but the Packers are lucky whenever they have 5 healthy linemen to play. Playing 6 would seem like mocking fate.

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Shanahan says, last game doesn't matter

Not giving the Packers any bulletin board material.

According to the Associated Press, there have been 23 Super Bowl-era games (not including strike-shortened seasons) in which a team won a regular-season match by 28-plus points and faced the same squad in the postseason. The winner is just 14-9 in the rematches.

14-9..... interesting.

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michiganjoe posted:

First game pretty much deteriorated when Light replaced Bulaga...

First game was a train wreck from the get go for the offense.  

Started bad and stayed bad:

  • Fumble by Rodgers - SF recovered at 2 yard line/scored one play later
  • Punt
  • Punt
  • Punt
  • Downs
  • Punt 
  • Punt
  • Punt

 

Somehow I think we can do better.

 What gives me hope is how Seattle, Baltimore, Rams, and Arizona played well against the 49ers.

What concerns me is - who knows what MLF is trying to run better than Shanahan and Saleh ??

Gotta start strong .  

 

13X posted:
Boris posted:

You have to admit.....you DID say they would be "one & done" & that may still happen....but you have to also admit they have improved as a team. 

You said....

Deep run = appearance in NFC Championship Game, IIRC. 

If they win on Sunday vs. the Lions, do you still think they will make it to the NFC CG?

Boris I believe I said they look like a one and done playoff team. Please correct me if I’m wrong. Yes they have surprised me and even if they lose the next 2 it was an amazing season especially with a rookie head coach. 

1 "deep run" at your service sir.

Pulled this from the NFC North Champions thread. 

What say you now, @13X 

Depends when he posted that.  If it was WK15 he could have been referring to the last 2 games of the regular season.  At that point it looked 95% certain that we'd have faced NOS in the divisional round.  Had they not lost to MIN I would have guessed we lose that game.  Easy in hindsight to say we beat NOS after MIN beat them but very few in WK15 would have given GB much of a shot at beating them in the playoffs.

I expect a lot of Ervin, Jones and Williams if he still isn't too banged up.  Sternberger was in the mix when Lazard went down.  Hopefully he can give a surprise boost.  I'm thinking no simply because of the blocking aspect.

YATittle posted:

What gets me is that I was figuring we'd have to address slot receiver in the draft but Ervin may be The Guy there next year. As well as an adequate returner.

No he won't.  He's a short RB.  He's not a slot guy even though it would be nice if he could show something to get them to the Super Bowl. 

Draft WR early and FA.  Zomboing it is okay for the playoffs and Super Bowl but it's rarely a long term answer.  Too many "potentials" flaming out over the years.

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Dr._Bob posted:

I want the Packers to be up 21 - 0 at the end of the first quarter.  Anything less is a failure.

If they are sticking by the Packers formula for the entire year I think it's necessary.

This SF team is healthier than last time, Matt’s former coworkers and family know his tendency’s, we don’t have much firepower after Jones and Adams, we lost badly to them earlier this year, so naturally we are the underdogs.

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Packdog posted:

First game was a train wreck from the get go for the offense.  

Started bad and stayed bad:

  • Fumble by Rodgers - SF recovered at 2 yard line/scored one play later
  • Punt
  • Punt
  • Punt
  • Downs
  • Punt 
  • Punt
  • Punt

 

Somehow I think we can do better.

 What gives me hope is how Seattle, Baltimore, Rams, and Arizona played well against the 49ers.

What concerns me is - who knows what MLF is trying to run better than Shanahan and Saleh ??

Gotta start strong .  

 

Knowing what someone likes to do and being able to stop them are two different things. Don't forget, Shanny was Pettine's OC in Cleveland as well. It's a two way street though, MLF was Shanny's QB coach in Atlanta, he has a deep knowledge of Shanny's philosophy. Same with Pettine, who presumably vetted Shanny pretty carefully (including scheme and philosophy) before hiring him as his key #2. In the end SF would have won that game even if MLF was a complete stranger to their staff, they won 1on1's, had the momentum, and made fewer mistakes. GB had a ton of mental mistakes that turned that game on its head (King and Quarters Coverage Gate, turnover, dropped passes, etc.).

You can't say GB would have done XYZ had they not made those mistakes, but aside from 3 mental mistakes that lead to explosive plays of 22, 42, and 61 GB played did a pretty good job play to play. Other than a gimme 2 yard TD set up by the offense, GB didn't allow a TD until the very end of Q2 on a mental mistake that led to a 42 yd TD pass...other than that SF went Punt, FG Punt, Punt, FG. Realistically it should have 13-0 heading into halftime instead of 20-0. It should have been a much more manageable game had the offense held up their end of the bargain. 

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YATittle posted:

From Wikipedia: Ervin has been compared to established all-purpose players in the NFL like Jamaal Charles and Darren Sproles.

Who are running backs.  If he was out there in week 14 he's not Sproles or Charles.

Wikipedia? 

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Packdog posted:
 
michiganjoe posted:

First game pretty much deteriorated when Light replaced Bulaga...

First game was a train wreck from the get go for the offense.  

Started bad and stayed bad:

  • Fumble by Rodgers - SF recovered at 2 yard line/scored one play later
  • Punt
  • Punt
  • Punt
  • Downs
  • Punt 
  • Punt
  • Punt

 

Somehow I think we can do better.

 What gives me hope is how Seattle, Baltimore, Rams, and Arizona played well against the 49ers.

What concerns me is - who knows what MLF is trying to run better than Shanahan and Saleh ??

Gotta start strong .  

 

The Packers actually ran the ball fairly well (not great, but they weren't dominated on that aspect). Jones and Williams combined for 24 carries and 83 yards and Lazard had a jet sweep for 21 yards. Again, not great, but adequate to keep the Niners honest. 

The Packers obviously got steam rolled, but many of the drives when it was still a competitive game were short-circuited by penalties (some questionable). The Packers  had seven drives when they were either could have tied the game or made it a one possession game. One drive would have been a 45 yard FG and 3 other drives were basically short circuited by penalties. I've pasted the drives from Packdog's post. The Packers didn't play well enough to win this game, but the defense kept the Packers in a game that should have been something like 13-3 at the half. 

  • Drive 1 (0-0). Fumble by Rodgers - SF recovered at 2 yard line/scored one play later
    • 2nd & 5 at GB 30

      (14:22 - 1st) A.Rodgers pass short left to D.Adams pushed ob at GB 40 for 10 yards (E.Moseley). PENALTY on GB-D.Adams, Unsportsmanlike Conduct, 15 yards, enforced between downs. Caught at GB 29. 11-yac

    • This was a ticky tack call on Adams. Without it, the Packers have momentum on the opening drive. 
  • Drive 2 (Down 7-0). Punt
    • This drive was blown up by a loss of 1 on a 2nd and 3. 
  • Drive 3 (Down 7-0). Punt 
    • Packers started at their own 12 and got dominated for a 3 and out. This was a series Jones sat out. 
  • Drive 4 (Down 10-0) Punt
    • 2nd & 6 at GB 29

      (2:32 - 1st) (Shotgun) A.Jones right tackle to GB 34 for 5 yards (N.Bosa, R.Sherman). PENALTY on GB-G.Allison, Illegal Block Above the Waist, 10 yards, enforced at GB 29 - No Play.

    • I don't remember this play, but it essentially ended this drive. 
  • Drive 5. (Down 10-0) 8 plays, 52 yards. Downs
    • 3rd & 8 at SF 35

      (11:42 - 2nd) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short middle to D.Adams to SF 28 for 7 yards (J.Ward). Caught at SF 29. 1-yac.

    • 4th & 1 at SF 28

      (11:06 - 2nd) (Shotgun) A.Jones up the middle to SF 28 for no gain (D.Jones, D.Buckner).

    • It's only a 45 yard FG. If MLF takes the points it's 10-3. Although I did agree with going for it at the time. 
  • Drive 6 (Down 10-0). Punt 
    • 1st & 10 at GB 34

      (9:01 - 2nd) A.Rodgers pass incomplete short left. PENALTY on GB-D.Bakhtiari, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at GB 34 - No Play.

    • The Packers overcame this penalty to get a first down, but it cost them important field position. 
  • Drive 7. (Down 13-0)  Punt
    • This is when the wheels started coming off. 3 and out and then JK Scott shanks a terrible punt. 
    • 4th & 6 at GB 29

      (1:56 - 2nd) J.Scott punts 32 yards to SF 39, Center-H.Bradley, out of bounds.

      The Niners followed this punt with a long TD to Samuel and, for all intents and purposes, that's the dagger. Packers down 20-0 and then go 3 and out and give the Niners another FG to go behind 23-0 at half. 
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Boris posted:
13X posted:
Boris posted:

You have to admit.....you DID say they would be "one & done" & that may still happen....but you have to also admit they have improved as a team. 

You said....

Deep run = appearance in NFC Championship Game, IIRC. 

If they win on Sunday vs. the Lions, do you still think they will make it to the NFC CG?

Boris I believe I said they look like a one and done playoff team. Please correct me if I’m wrong. Yes they have surprised me and even if they lose the next 2 it was an amazing season especially with a rookie head coach. 

1 "deep run" at your service sir.

Pulled this from the NFC North Champions thread. 

What say you now, @13X 

I say they have far exceeded all expectations! Especially with a rookie head coach. Did I think they would be here? Hell no but I'm sure glad that they are! I'm not feeling great about going back to SF but I do feel the future of this team is bright with MLF and Gute. Hats off to both of them!!

If the Packers are going to win this game, I believe they need to jump on the Niners early. 

This Niner defense is very good, but they're not the 70's Steel Curtain -- FFS the Saints scored 46 on them, Falcons scored 29, Cardinals scored 25 & 26, Rams scored 31, Seahawks scored 27 & 21. They're not invincible but they are healthy again. Getting Kwon Alexander & Dee Ford back really REALLY helps them. 

The Packer O-Line is #1 in pass blocking. You can look it up. They're going to need to be special. Rodgers will need to be special. You can beat a pass rush but you have to be smart & decisive. Rodgers will need to replicate some Russell & Kyler rushing when the receivers are all covered. Niners defense cannot handle a scrambling QB & Rodgers is NOT a statue back there.

The most the Packer D has allowed is 34 (Eagles), 26 (Chargers), 37 (Niners) & since the Niner debacle in Nov, the most points the Packers allowed was 23 to Seattle last week. 

I 100% KNOW the Packers can win this game -- I believe.....I BELIEVE!!

They are going to need to play great -- everyone. No dropped passes from the Skill positions. When Garrapolo throws you a INT (& I guarantee he will give them a chance) you need to CATCH it! The Packers dropped 2 INT's from Russ on Sunday.

This game will be all about who is going to make a play. It's really that simple.

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