Weather does not look like it will be a factor, early forecast is dry with high of 32.
and sunny!! that's like 50 in the stadium. 
might actually be able to get my daughter to go with me!!
Lets say you're a Viking fan (I hope everyone here fully appreciates that they are not) and you go to bed last night trying to digest the totality of the past weekend:
- The weekend starts off with your team as the 7th seed with three games remaining.
- You have a home game against Indy while Detroit and GB are traveling.
- Adrian Peterson is returning.
- The Colts are missing three O lineman.
- You are a week removed from a nice road win in Jax.
- Paul Allen spends all of Sunday morning getting the locals whipped up into a frenzy over the return of AP and the Vikings bounce back from the recent slide.
- Everything is in PLACE!!!
Then....
- You get destroyed by Indy.
- AP is terrible and then blames the OL.
- Zimmer blames all the players and everyone else. Just not himself.
- The Packers rip Chicago's heart out. Again.
- Detroit loses.
- Tampa loses.
- Washington loses.
- Everyone you needed to lose games, lost (except the team you hate most) and even though only GB won you somehow manage to drop from the 7th seed to the 9th seed and you are pretty sure it's an NFL conspiracy and you want to prove it but you were never good at math. Or school in general.
- You wonder why you do this to yourself every year.
- You remember you still have another 32 years of tax donations to pay off the stadium.
- You understand the food at the new stadium is ****ing terrible.
While we're here. Can anyone please explain the difference to me between Matt Millen and Rick Spileman? You could build a strong argument Rick has been at least as awful as Matt, and possibly a little worse.
SKOL!!!!!
Rick has had teams actually make the playoffs, not many and never consistently, but he's had some decent teams. He's gotten better, he and the owners are holding the team back, but I can think of worse GM's in the league.
Spielman hasn't drafted wide receivers 10 years in a row.....though his record at picking receivers is about the same as Millan's
Rick got off the WR bandwagon long enough to draft Teddy and Ponder. Which resulted in him giving away a round 1 pick for Sam Bradford because he still needed a QB. And still needs WR's. And an OL. Because Kalil at the 4th overall pick hasn't really worked.
Had to come out of hiatus X4 retirement to comment on ChiliJon's Queens list ...
Haha, Nice. (Standing Ovation)
Congrats on yesterday. Don't **** things up, okay?
If you want to have another laugh, look up the Spielman's 2016 draft class. Their No. 1 pick, Treadwell, has been targeted three times, caught one pass for 15 yards, and has been buried on the back of the bench all year because of work habits, etc. Their second round pick is a CB, Alexander, who is 5-10, 190 and is described as "feisty." They drafted an OLG in the fourth round, Beavers, who was described on KFAN as the worst OL in the draft. After that, he drafted some "guys."
Spielman has hit with Harrison Smith and I'd take Diggs, Barr, and a couple others, but that's it. Patterson might be salvaged in a different system/coach.
TT is in Mensa in 2016 compared to Spielman after drafting Clark, Spriggs, Fackrell, Martinez, Lowry, Davis, and Murphy.
Fandame posted:If you want to have another laugh, look up the Spielman's 2016 draft class. Their No. 1 pick, Treadwell, has been targeted three times, caught one pass for 15 yards, and has been buried on the back of the bench all year because of work habits, etc. Their second round pick is a CB, Alexander, who is 5-10, 190 and is described as "feisty." They drafted an OLG in the fourth round, Beavers, who was described on KFAN as the worst OL in the draft. After that, he drafted some "guys."
Spielman has hit with Harrison Smith and I'd take Diggs, Barr, and a couple others, but that's it. Patterson might be salvaged in a different system/coach.
TT is in Mensa in 2016 compared to Spielman after drafting Clark, Spriggs, Fackrell, Martinez, Lowry, Davis, and Murphy.
I think he has hit with Harrison Smith, Rudolph, Diggs, Kendricks and Rhodes. I thought Barr was a great pick but looking at Viking fan comments in the Star Tribune, they view him like most on here viewed Brad Jones.
Agree on your hits, but they were from past years. Spielman had a miserable 2016 draft, and while it can happen to any GM, this year seems epic.
If the VIkings want to get rid of Anthony Barr, he would look outstanding in a Packer uni
RochNyFan posted:I thought Barr was a great pick but looking at Viking fan comments in the Star Tribune, they view him like most on here viewed Brad Jones.
REALLY???? Then they are morons. We'll take him.
It gets even better.
1. They already are missing their 1st round pick in 2017 and a 4th round pick in 2018 from the Bradford trade.
2. The way Bradford's contract was structured means he counts 17 million against their cap in 2018. It looks like it will cost them 4 million in dead money to cut him.
http://overthecap.com/player/sam-bradford/1349/
3. It looks like AP will be cut next year with no cap hit as they are not going to pay him 18 million next year.
4. They have 1.6 million in dead cap money next year allocated to Blair Walsh (their kicker they just cut).
5. They don't have a good LT as it is. They have no first round pick to draft one and to resign Matt Kalil will probably cost them what Bakh got - even though Kalil will be coming off an injury and wasn't that good to begin with.
It makes you almost feel sorry for them.
When you say you, I assume you don't mean me.
Why would they cut Bradford? Bongwater is still on his rookie deal, no guarantee he'll be ready for next year and isn't as good of a QB. 17 Million isn't a terrible QB contract, and they may try to extend him for a more cap-friendly deal. They'll also re-sign Kalil. Those are moves even a caveman could make.
Vikings Suck
Who knows if Bridgewater will ever play again? I cannot see the vikings cutting Bradford, either, especially after spending those draft picks on him. They need O Line help badly and the best players at that position will be taken before the vikings pick in the 2nd round. I really don't want to see Spielman go, either. He has made the vikings into what they are today.
Rick will be going away very soon. He is terrible. On top of his draft picks he hired Leslie and then Zimmer.
Bradford has completed 21% of his passes this year behind the line of scrimmage. 21%!!! He's going to finish his 6th year as a starter without a winning record. Anyone ever heard of the first overall draft pick starting 6 years at QB without a winning record? Jeff George had two winning seasons his first six years.
Now imagine trading away a 1st round pick for a destitute mans Jeff George in his sixth year with threat of paying him $17 million per because that's the going rate for QBs unless he's willing to negotiate depending on Teddy's knee
Matt Millen is better than Rick Spielman.
mrtundra posted:I really don't want to see Spielman go, either. He has made the vikings into what they are today.
Oh, he's done far more than that. He's taken a franchise searching for any glimmer of light and somehow found a lower setting on the dimmer.
Not a great sign when your offensive coordinator/genius decides to bail on you mid-season either.
Nor when one of your best players on D is going down the schitter as well:
After being named to the Pro Bowl team during his second season, linebacker Anthony Barr has been a bit of a bust for the Vikings in his third season.
Barr had 54 tackles in 14 games last season and has just 33 in the same amount of games this season.
According to our friends at Pro Football Focus, Barr has a grade of just 41.4 this season, ranking 81st in the NFL. Eric Kendricks (79) and Chad Greenway (52.6) haven’t been great, either, but Barr’s fall off is probably the most surprising given how great he looked last season.
Needless to say, Vikings coach Mike Zimmer hasn’t been thrilled with Barr’s performance in 2016.
x“He can do a lot better,” Zimmer said on Monday during the team’s media availability.
What areas exactly, can he improve upon?
“All,” Zimmer said.
Tell us how you really feel, Coach Zimmer.
Got to win this Saturday. Minny took the division last year in Lambeau. GB lost in Minny this year. I know the playoffs are at play here. **** the playoffs. End. Their. Season.
ChilliJon posted:
- You understand the food at the new stadium is ****ing terrible.
While we're here. Can anyone please explain the difference to me between Matt Millen and Rick Spileman? You could build a strong argument Rick has been at least as awful as Matt, and possibly a little worse.
SKOL!!!!!
friend of mine ...(I have 1 friend who is a viking fan) went to the Dallas game. $14 dollars for a burger...took two bites and threw it away....
Hungry5 posted:Great team win today. ****ty performance by Davante Adams but we pulled it off..all that matters. #GoPackGo
— Davante Adams (@tae15adams) December 18, 2016Will be interesting to see how he responds, on his 24th birthday. Just a kid out there!
Back to the drawing board so I can get busy on my bday�� #12/24/92
— Davante Adams (@tae15adams) December 19, 2016
All I know is that I am not coming off the Davante Band Wagon. I am sick of eating crow.
Davante is blaming it on the gloves he wore vs. the Bears. He's giving them up so hopefully won't have the drops vs. the Queens.
Adams shredded the gloves. 
Expecting a yuuuge game from Adams, on his birthday.
Tough time to be a Vikes fan. Rodgers is trending significantly up, the calf is getting better, Cook is coming on, Montgomery can't be stopped (thinks he's Payton and Campbell), Nelson has his wheels back, Randall is learning, Perry might play, and it's 'Tae's birthday.
All they have is MichiganPacker feeling sorry for them.
In 18 games against the Vikings (including playoffs), Rodgers has completed 374 of 550 passes (68.0 percent) for 4,480 yards, 36 TDs and 6 INTs with a passer rating of 110.0
In 18 games against the Bears (including playoffs), Rodgers has completed 391 of 578 passes (68.0 percent) for 4,417 yards, 39 TDs and 9 INTs with a passer rating of 105.7
Hungry5 posted:Tough time to be a Vikes fan.
isn't that every day of their pathetic fandom existence?
His last three outings against MIN though have been rough with an average rating of 79. 4. In fact against Mike Zimmer (going back to his days at Cincy), Rodgers only owns an average rating of 90.7. The only times he's really had success against Zimmer were both against that putrid 2014 Minnesota team (ratings of 138.7 and 109.7). He hasn't had a rating over 86.9 in any other game.
In 15 games against the Lions (no playoffs. Because this IS Detroit man), Rodgers has completed 303 of 457 passes (66.0 percent) for 3,758 yards, 30 TDs and 6 INTs with a passer rating of 108.0
Put that all together....
In 51 games (including playoffs) Rodgers has completed 1,068 of 1,585 passes (67.4 percent) for 12,655 yards, 105 TDs and 21 INTs with a passer rating 107.9 against the NFC North
Oh, he's also 38-13.
Zimmer's a freak......he's going to have those players really pumped.......and as usual I'll be nervous as heck. AND I'll be Madison.....not my usual place, so all my pre game superstitions are out the window. D*mn.
Goldie, Aaron needs you to R-E-L-A-X.
You have a very important job on Saturday keeping his legs warm and its not going to work if you're all nervous and jittery. Focus on your breathing...
It's their Super Bowl, their last gasp at the playoffs, and after getting dumped on last week their D will be out to prove something this week. Zimmer just seems to get under Rodgers' skin. And after the toasting Bradford put on us last time...
BTW, Bradford's not going to take a pay restructure after the year he's had this year, provided he doesn't get injured in the last two games. Even if Bridgewater returns, Bradford has proven he can be a pretty darn good QB. He's had virtually no OL or running game, has taken tons of hits, and his WRs (Diggs and Rudolph excepted) are well below average. If Bridgewater does return -- a big IF -- I think the Vikes have a real QB decision to make.
kick 'em when they're up, kick 'em when they're down, kick 'em all around.
we know how queens fair in superb owls so that's just another reason they're gonna eat dirt Saturday if they think this is their super bowl. this game'll make the seattle game look like a warmup act.
(I don't like to make predictions so I don't know who just wrote that)
If I watched the way that D played last week, I think I'd need the same look.
Check out JSO scouting report on the Vikes. The injuries have decimated that secondary.