Goalline posted:
Henry posted:
Goalline posted:
michiganjoe posted:

Food and lifestyles may change but one constant remains- it's still calories in and calories out. 

Yes, but did we suddenly decide to eat more or was something done to the food to make us eat more of it?

You mean sugar?

Sugar is certainly not great for us, but read the ingredient list of processed foods. How many chemical products are included? A lot of info showing vegetable oil has an insidious effect on our health.

Yeah, sugar is bad and to make it worse, unlike the 1960's when essentially all sugar was non-GMO cane sugar, now it is almost always GMO corn syrup which I would not touch with a 10 foot pole.

It's amazing how much food has that crap in it.

It's not "our food is crap' or "it's a choice".  A larger part of the poorest demographic are overweight because the most affordable food is usually the least healthy.  It of course is more complicated and pervasive an issue than that but healthy food that is affordable and available, though becoming moreso, is still an exception to the norm.

Henry posted:
Goalline posted:
michiganjoe posted:

Food and lifestyles may change but one constant remains- it's still calories in and calories out. 

Yes, but did we suddenly decide to eat more or was something done to the food to make us eat more of it?

You mean sugar?

Yup.   That's exactly what it is.   Cut sugar and you will see significant reductions in body fat.    It's still obviously CICO, calories in calories out, but removing sugar from the average persons diet would cut a significant amount of cals.    

Coffe creamers, soda, sauces... they even put sugar in the ****ing bread.    

DH13 posted:

It's not "our food is crap' or "it's a choice".  A larger part of the poorest demographic are overweight because the most affordable food is usually the least healthy.  It of course is more complicated and pervasive an issue than that but healthy food that is affordable and available, though becoming moreso, is still an exception to the norm.

Yes and no.   When eating out it's cheaper to eat unhealthy.   But eating healthy at home is just as cheap.   A couple crowns of broccoli and 2 roasted chickens is typical lunch for my week.  That's about 10 to 12 bucks for 5 meals.    I could do that or I could get 2 spicy chickens from the dollar menu each day.   My heart says spicy but my a$$hole says go with the broccoli.  

BrainDed posted:
. they even put sugar in the ****ing bread.    

Because to bake bread, you need some sort of sugar to feed the yeast. The amount varies according to what type of bread, gluten content, etc. I've baked a "few" loaves in my day - still do. I also bake my own hamburger and hot dog buns. I grew up watching my mom make bread and buns.

Sugar is horrible, but it is far from the only issue. In countries like India and China where little sugar is eaten the levels of obesity and diabetes has exploded recently, and that increase in obesity seems to coincide with the levels of vegetable oils eaten. That stuff is super toxic.

Don't forget to blame people like the Center for Science in the Public Interest who railed against McDonald's use of beef tallow in making french fries.

If you want another conspiracy theory, don't forget the government's carb-loading of everybody through the food pyramid.

AFedya posted:

Don't forget to blame people like the Center for Science in the Public Interest who railed against McDonald's use of beef tallow in making french fries.

If you want another conspiracy theory, don't forget the government's carb-loading of everybody through the food pyramid.

Exactly! We have ultra marathon runners coming down with diabetes from carbo loading. What chance do the sedentary public have?

Eat anything you want. Just cook it at home. Have at it. Anything. Just make it from scratch. 

Brussel sprouts are pure fowl tasting trash. But if you oven roast them at 425 with thin sliced garlic, lemon zest, lemon juice, grated Parmesan cheese you have nothing calories and massive flavor. 

Good food isn’t hard. Just make it yourself. 

Learn about Sous Vide. It’s coming. And it’s incredible. 

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