He just wants to ride the Kids' bikes in Green Bay some more...
I don't see TT doing it but I would be for it before I was against it, and I wish Johnny all the best in securing NFL work even if it ain't with the Pack.
You don't think they would even give him a tryout Tdog? I think depends on truly what is attitude and mindset are right now. If he truly has matured and learned from this experience then I think they would absolutely take him back and give him a shot. It's not like the Packers haven't gambled on a few potential character risks in the past (see Koren Robinson, Charles Woodson, Erik Walden, etc.). Jolly was a budding star before he got busted, there's no reason to NOT at least give him a try. He knows the team, he knows the defense, let him come to camp. If he's reinstated of course.
If he stays in GB 12 months a year, why not?
With TT drafting Worthy, Daniels and bringing Hargrove and Muir in I have a hard time seeing him changing direction for a 29 y/o possibly still troubled player... but like I said, I'm all for it. And I think it would be the best situation for Jolly to land in - GBP players and coaches all supported him through this.
Timmy....did your time in the cooler have anything to do with a squirrel on your head
That's a good point about them being a little crowded on the DL. It depends on what Jolly has left in the tank I guess. You have to figure Pickett, Raji, Worthy, and Daniels are more than likely locks. They only carried 5 DL on the active roster in 2011 with Neal on IR, so it's safe to assume they won't carry more than 6. That leaves possibly two spots for Wilson, Wynn, Muir, Merling, Neal, and Hargrove. So it may not be an issue of them not wanting Jolly back, it may simply come down to numbers. They could bring Jolly back and let him compete, but they already have 6 guys competing for 2 spots, 6 guys who have been in mini-camps and OTAs. He would have to be back at his 2009 form to beat those odds.
quote:That's a good point about them being a little crowded on the DL.
It's not a bad thing
When his head was in the game, not sure I've seen a better DL at batting passes then Jolly. Seems like he had a batted ball damn near every game sometimes.
Sconnie Pharmacy association says let him play!
Some of you guys might be forgetting what it takes to compete at an NFL level...
Here is Jolly's last two years of football training: absolutely nothing
To think he is going to waltz into camp and make a contribution is just not realistic IMO.
If he wants back in, he'll need to spend the next year working into shape and re-gaining his NFL physique as well as keeping out of trouble. 2013 is the soonest he would be ready to make an NFL contribution and he'll be a 30 year old felon 3 years removed from meaningful football at that point
Thanks for everything Johnny and good luck
Go Packers
Here is Jolly's last two years of football training: absolutely nothing
To think he is going to waltz into camp and make a contribution is just not realistic IMO.
If he wants back in, he'll need to spend the next year working into shape and re-gaining his NFL physique as well as keeping out of trouble. 2013 is the soonest he would be ready to make an NFL contribution and he'll be a 30 year old felon 3 years removed from meaningful football at that point
Thanks for everything Johnny and good luck
Go Packers
All his teammates seemed to like him. Didn't get into other trouble that I know of. So stupid/insane/addicted/sad to do it again when you're already on probation for it.
I wish him the best and hope he makes it back. Great find. And played great for us at times.
I wish him the best and hope he makes it back. Great find. And played great for us at times.
From H5's article, Jolly on his physical condition:
On "feeling great", I actually don't doubt that. If he's been free of that drug for 8+ months, Im sure he does feel like a new man. And while he's likely no where near football shape, if he's working out 2x a day he's probably in better shape then most think.
quote:
Jolly said inmates were allowed to work out twice a day and three times after daylight savings began. He took advantage of those opportunities and has been working out twice a day since being released.
“I’m in pretty good shape,” Jolly said. “I would like to lose about 10 pounds. I’m probably at 332 right now, about seven pounds over my playing weight. I feel good. I am strong. My wind is up. I’m healthy and my body feels great.”
Ultimately, he’s going to have to prove to the NFL and then to a team that might be willing to give him a shot that his mind and body are right. Jolly longs to return to Green Bay. Does he believe the Packers would like him back?
“I think they would,” he said. “I am dedicated to really make a change in my life and come back and be a positive role model. I think I have a great shot at going back to those guys. They’re a great organization. The coaches are very good, the players are good. I know they have supported me 100 percent.
On "feeling great", I actually don't doubt that. If he's been free of that drug for 8+ months, Im sure he does feel like a new man. And while he's likely no where near football shape, if he's working out 2x a day he's probably in better shape then most think.
100% is a lot of teammates. Now prove yourself to them, Big Fella. Love to see it.
Man, I would bring him back in a heartbeat.
He always seemed disruptive, including batting down passes. Dude was a player.
And to me chemical addiction need not equate to being some evil person.
He always seemed disruptive, including batting down passes. Dude was a player.
And to me chemical addiction need not equate to being some evil person.
He's obviously not in football shape, which is pretty important, so you're right Satori that a comeback in 2012 is not realistic, but bringing him to training camp and seeing what he's got left wouldn't hurt anything. I'd rather see what Johnny Jolly has left in the tank than a UDFA who may or may not make it on the practice squad. He's probably not going to be able to make the cut, but it gives you an idea of what he could be capable of if he spends a season getting in shape as a free agent. He may have lost his mojo being away for two years and will look a step behind, or he will come in pissed off with a chip on his shoulder and show some real potential. Either way you're not out anything.
Packers still hold his rights.
Even if he does manage to get in shape, I'd place the chances he goes back to using the "lean" between 90 and 95%. I'd love to see him come back and prove me wrong, but I just can't see him making the roster in 2012.
call me whatever you will but I think JJ will stay clean if he gets back in the NFL. without the NFL and/or after the NFL, whole 'nother story.
Block a pass.
quote:Originally posted by Goalline:
I wish the judge would sentence him to 3 years in GB stuffing the run.
I would take him right now over Hargrove, Muir, Merling, and Neal.
If Goodell reinstates him. I would much rather give him the fist 8 weeks of the season to get himself ready for play than to hang onto Hargrove.
He'd be ready by then.quote:Originally posted by ChilliJon:
If Goodell reinstates him. I would much rather give him the fist 8 weeks of the season to get himself ready for play than to hang onto Hargrove.
quote:Originally posted by Iowacheese:
Timmy....did your time in the cooler have anything to do with a squirrel on your head
I swear, IC, ya post one pic, and some people never forget!
But, no, a squirrel wasn't involved. Too bad, though, that would've been very interesting...
He was a hellva player before hopefully he could be again.
As others have mentioned, Jolly is one faied drug test away from banishment again. That risk is more than a question of moral equivalence to other players who have been given another chance to play in the NFL. (As far as I know, there is no regular random "dog-killer" testing in the NFL at this time.). TT and MM would have to think at the end of training camp that no option other than Jolly could fill the last slot. Bringing him in to training camp might be low risk, but putting him on the final 53 would be a different matter.
Koren Robinson was also one strike away.
If he gets the green light you bring him in, let him try to make the team. No lose situation.
If he gets the green light you bring him in, let him try to make the team. No lose situation.
He was a solid contributor before the trouble.
Let him show what he's got.
Let him show what he's got.
I could see Jolly staying out of trouble while he's physically in Green Bay... Anytime he goes back home though... look out!!! That seems to be where he falls back into the bad habits.
quote:Originally posted by Music City:
Koren Robinson was also one strike away.
If he gets the green light you bring him in, let him try to make the team. No lose situation.
I actually was thinking of Robinson as one of those "no other option" type decisions. It was Robinson or "just a guy" for the Packers. Granted, he then turned out okay, and Jolly may also.
quote:Originally posted by fightphoe93:
I could see Jolly staying out of trouble while he's physically in Green Bay... Anytime he goes back home though... look out!!! That seems to be where he falls back into the bad habits.
Maybe. Maybe not. Jolly admits he was using during the season and attributed his big game against Chicago to that. So it doesn't sound like it was his back home posse that lured him into a fall.
Vietnam vets should be allowed to smoke pot.
ya know, I know the league don't owe him no favors, but how hard is it to say Yes or No so the guy can move forward or not?
http://www.packersnews.com/art...20723096&located=rss
http://www.packersnews.com/art...20723096&located=rss
quote:League spokesman Greg Aiello said Monday that NFL commissioner Roger Goodell has not made a ruling on Jolly’s reinstatement application, and a league source said Jolly hasn’t been given any indication when a ruling might come down.
You make a good point Tdog
But I suspect that Jolly's case is tied to the bounty cases in terms of showing leniency, judge and jury and the overall appeal process
If all of those other suits and countersuits weren't going on, it may have been easier to handle - but right now there are a bevy of lawyers turning over every stone and so Roger & Co have to be very careful in how they proceed lest they set a precedent for the others to lean on
GB is still trying to replace him, with Merling and Guy being the most likely candidates for a large-body run stuffing 3-4 DE.
But I suspect that Jolly's case is tied to the bounty cases in terms of showing leniency, judge and jury and the overall appeal process
If all of those other suits and countersuits weren't going on, it may have been easier to handle - but right now there are a bevy of lawyers turning over every stone and so Roger & Co have to be very careful in how they proceed lest they set a precedent for the others to lean on
GB is still trying to replace him, with Merling and Guy being the most likely candidates for a large-body run stuffing 3-4 DE.
Jolly has been working his arse off since his release. He has been working out with John Lucas, a guy who knows a bit about addiction and making it back. Jolly has also been tweeting with some of his former teammates (Wynn, Raji) and seems to be saying/doing all the rights things right now. Good luck to him...
Living large in Houston was Lucas' downfall too, so he speaks from experience
Perfect mentor for Jolly
Perfect mentor for Jolly
If Goodell can let Mike Vick back in the league, he should let Jolly back in also. As far as I know, Jolly didn't hurt anyone but himself. It is kind of ridiculous if you ask me. Jolly served in prison and has missed football for a while. I think that punishment is adequate for a person with a drug problem. Vick on the other hand did a lot more things wrong than Jolly.
Reinstate him, bring him in to compete. Nothing lost.
quote:Originally posted by FarmDog:
Reinstate him, bring him in to compete. Nothing lost.
I really wish he could be in the Pack's camp from day 1 but that isn't realistic now. I think he's going to be so far behind, I'm not sure if he can comeback from the absence.