Just watching ESPN and they said that he will be having a private workout in Atlanta on Saturday. Mentioned 10-15 team reps will be there ( I can’t believe that one) and that he workout and his interview will be available to all 32 teams. FWIW
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Good luck to him. 3 years is a long time.
Definitely
Strikes me as more of a PR/legal maneuver and I have trouble believing the league is acting in good faith.
michiganjoe posted:Strikes me as more of a PR/legal maneuver and I have trouble believing the league is acting in good faith.
That’s exactly what it is. But I hope an upcoming Packer opponent doesn’t sign him, because he would immediately rush for 150 yards and throw 3 TDs.
Pikes Peak posted:Good luck to him. 3 years is a long time.
3 years too long. Good luck to him indeed.
This is a carefully planned moved to make him relevant again. He has far more to gain financially and professionally by propagating his current narrative...that he was targeted and oppressed by the NFL old boy network, than actually being an NFL QB.
He has no real interest in playing in the NFL again because then he will actually have to produce something on the field...which he couldn't do the last 24 games of his career. And if you look at his entire NFL career, his QBR was in steady and large decline every year.
The NFL has given multiple chances to people who have done far worse than kneel for the national anthem. He isn't in the NFL because he just isn't that good, in addition to the PR baggage he brings.
I am neutral on Kaepernick but a couple of things that stick out to me. Why is this tryout being done now? Teams only have about 6 games left why would you hold a tryout now and not back on July? just kind of stinks of the NFL allowing this now knowing that many teams may not get him up to speed in a couple of weeks.
Is Kaepernick willing to take backup money? he hasn't played in three years so I cannot imagine someone throwing starter money at him especially with how badly his last games where before he left SF.
And what teams need a QB badly enough to take on the circus that ESPN will bring with it if they sign him? And what teams need QB desperately enough to give him a shot?
Andy Dalton.
Kase Keenum.
Cam Newton.
Mitch Tribisky (if the Bores move on from him).
Gardner Minshew.
Teddy Bridgewater.
There is going to be some pretty decent options for back up or perhaps starting QB should teams be seeking one in 2020. And none of those are going to cost a fortune and all of them have current experience.
Kaepernick has a pretty big uphill battle to land somewhere.
PS: The Packers in 2020 should go get one of these dudes. They need an experienced guy beyond Boyle.
Behind Boyle?
He can be an average to below average QB and still be blackballed by the NFL, those things are not mutually exclusive. If you believe the opposite then you're buying in to the manipulation on one side or the other.
Bill Belichick is the litmus test for this situation. The fact that Bill Belichick hasn't signed Kaepernick, even just in camp, to potentially run some special wildcat package tells me either 1) ownership has put the fear of god in him that he is absolutely NOT to sign Kaep 2) Kaep is completely washed up to a degree we don't realize and the baggage truly isn't worth it or 3) Kaep has declined offers or is making exorbitant demands that are unreasonable for what his role would be.
Belichick doesn't usually care to test (even for a camp tryout) if someone is washed up or if they bring baggage, so to me it's either 1 or 3. Belichick is pretty persuasive with big attitude players it seems, so I find it hard to believe he couldn't recruit Kaep to work on resurrecting the career he says he wants to continue. So to me the most likely is that Kaep is outright refusing or that ownership/league office got through to BB that they are unwilling to let him sign Kaep.
I say #3
Grave Digger posted:2) Kaep is completely washed up to a degree we don't realize and the baggage truly isn't worth it
This is my working theory because of his decline in stats in his last two years, and overall decline, coupled with his "baggage."
Plus I honestly don't think he wants to be in the NFL as badly as some think. He is making far more money via his Nike endorsement and speaking engagements, plus he's not getting his body torn to shreds. But he can't say that because it undermines the narrative he's being blackballed at the hands of an NFL-wide conspiracy and undercuts any future potential lawsuit.
Chongo posted:...which he couldn't do the last 24 games of his career.
One of these stat lines is Lamar Jackson's first 25 games and one is Colin Kaepernick's last 25 games. One is being praised as an outstanding start to a career with MVP potential in 2019, one is apparently in decline:
But Jackson never faced a Dom Capers defense!
Why are teams informing the league they want to work a player out? Were they asking permission or giving them a heads up expect a media frenzy? Sounds like the former.
Great stuff from @wyche89, who said this workout, in part, is in response to teams calling the NFL and saying they wanted to work out Kaepernick more for a look next season, as opposed to right away. https://t.co/Zh3fYm8jui
— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) November 13, 2019
YATittle posted:But Jackson never faced a Dom Capers defense!
Dear god man could you imagine what the stats he would have put up? I am not being even one little bit sarcastic.
I'm thinking what will happen in February 2020 when he faces the wide open middle of the field of an Angry Bald Man D.
Yikes.
With apologies to festering ass pimples everywhere, Kaperdick is like a festering ass pimple that won't go away.
Grave Digger posted:Chongo posted:...which he couldn't do the last 24 games of his career.
One of these stat lines is Lamar Jackson's first 25 games and one is Colin Kaepernick's last 25 games. One is being praised as an outstanding start to a career with MVP potential in 2019, one is apparently in decline:
- 381 att. / 644 compl.
- 4315 yards
- 25 TD
- 9 INT
- 86.42 rating
- 137 rushes / 984 yards (7.1 ypc)
- 4 TD
- 267 att. / 425 compl.
- 3237 yards
- 21 TD
- 8 INT
- 94.8 rating
- 253 rushes / 1397 yards (5.5 ypc)
- 11 TD
Not sure how anyone would get an 84.5 or 94.8 QBR when the last 3 season their QBR's were 60.9, 43.4 and 49.5
https://www.pro-football-refer...ayers/K/KaepCo00.htm
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Nevermind...the QBR column is something ESPN uses, ergo, his rating was higher than I thought.
However in his last 25 games he was 5-20...LJax in his NFL career is 13-3 which may account for why he's being considered for MVP.
Kaepernick is being blackballed just like Tim Tebow.
Eric Reid thinks it's a PR stunt. He's right.
Reid was asked by reporters whether Saturday's workout would be a signal of progress for Kaepernick.
“I’ll quote Malcolm X," Reid said, according to ESPN's David Newton. "If you stick a knife nine inches in my back and pull it out six, it’s not progress. It’s still a knife in my back.’’
Fedya posted:Kaepernick is being blackballed just like Tim Tebow.
What's your definition of black balled? Worrying about your bottom line because Cooter Country and the head POS will get the poopies?
All for taking a knee. Those 3 entities need to fuck off and quit being scared of the Constitution.
Considering the absolute garbage at back up QB around the league I don't think his average abilities are really the issue here. Well, it could be now since he's been out of the league 3 years.
Cooter Country created this version of Kaepernick. Own it.
Chongo posted:However in his last 25 games he was 5-20...LJax in his NFL career is 13-3 which may account for why he's being considered for MVP.
I'm not trying to prop CK up, but lets not pretend that that 5-20 record is on him. Chip Kelly, Jim Tomsula, and Harbaugh on his way out...all that needs to be said. CK isn't a perfect QB, but his numbers aren't that bad, he's still a mobile threat even if he isn't a great passer, and even at his worst he's objectively better than some of the dipshits teams have been signing the last 3 years. At some point the baggage IS worth it when you're still trying to win and have no options.
The fact that the NFL is basically making teams choose, by making them roughly at the same time, whether to send scouts to the UGA/AUB game or to the CK workout tells you exactly how much of a stunt this workout is. I don't really give a shit if CK is ever signed again, I care 0% about his football future, but people pretending the NFL isn't forcing this guy out is kind of silly.
He walked away from a deal with the 49'ers. No one should feel bad for the moron.
Seriously?
Who would've thought this fucking topic would go this route?
I believe the law does protect workers from discrimination related to political belief or activity. Likely why the league settled with CK.
Henry posted:Seriously?
Yes, but I fully support you yanking it. You're an American hero.
Of course that doesn't mean anything anymore.
The funny thing is people actually think this is about Kaepernick the person. He is no Ali and he defaulted into the role. Again, Cooter Country made him.
Henry posted:Fedya posted:Kaepernick is being blackballed just like Tim Tebow.
What's your definition of black balled? Worrying about your bottom line because Cooter Country and the head POS will get the poopies?
All for taking a knee. Those 3 entities need to fuck off and quit being scared of the Constitution.
Considering the absolute garbage at back up QB around the league I don't think his average abilities are really the issue here. Well, it could be now since he's been out of the league 3 years.
Cooter Country created this version of Kaepernick. Own it.
Nailed it.
Grave Digger posted:Chongo posted:However in his last 25 games he was 5-20...LJax in his NFL career is 13-3 which may account for why he's being considered for MVP.
I'm not trying to prop CK up, but lets not pretend that that 5-20 record is on him. Chip Kelly, Jim Tomsula, and Harbaugh on his way out...all that needs to be said. CK isn't a perfect QB, but his numbers aren't that bad, he's still a mobile threat even if he isn't a great passer, and even at his worst he's objectively better than some of the dipshits teams have been signing the last 3 years. At some point the baggage IS worth it when you're still trying to win and have no options.
The fact that the NFL is basically making teams choose, by making them roughly at the same time, whether to send scouts to the UGA/AUB game or to the CK workout tells you exactly how much of a stunt this workout is. I don't really give a shit if CK is ever signed again, I care 0% about his football future, but people pretending the NFL isn't forcing this guy out is kind of silly.
Burden of the position...you get the glory when you win, you get the heat when you lose. Happens to every QB at some point. All of Baltimore's success isn't solely at the feet of LJax, but he gets a ton of the credit. Same for Mahomes, same for #12.
Was never a fan of Kap...had nothing to do with his kneeling. Was never a fan of his in college either, largely because he comported himself like an ass on and off the field...and it wasn't just "kids will be kids," and I'll leave it at that.
NFL franchises want nothing to do with him, and it's not just because of his political views or kneeling for the anthem. His talent isn't good enough to outweigh the baggage he brings to the franchise. The NFL is the biggest whorehouse on the planet from the owners down to the players. Everything they do with the intention of making money. That will never change. If an owner thought Kap would make him more money than he'd lose, he'd be in shoulder pads tomorrow.
R MaN posted:Just watching ESPN and they said that he will be having a private workout in Atlanta on Saturday. Mentioned 10-15 team reps will be there ( I can’t believe that one) and that he workout and his interview will be available to all 32 teams. FWIW
So the NFL and Knicky go into a bar.
can we do this on Tuesday?
oshbaul posted:R MaN posted:Just watching ESPN and they said that he will be having a private workout in Atlanta on Saturday. Mentioned 10-15 team reps will be there ( I can’t believe that one) and that he workout and his interview will be available to all 32 teams. FWIW
So the NFL and Knicky go into a bar.
Quid pro quo
Henry posted:Fedya posted:Kaepernick is being blackballed just like Tim Tebow.
What's your definition of black balled? Worrying about your bottom line because Cooter Country and the head POS will get the poopies?
All for taking a knee. Those 3 entities need to fuck off and quit being scared of the Constitution.
Considering the absolute garbage at back up QB around the league I don't think his average abilities are really the issue here. Well, it could be now since he's been out of the league 3 years.
Cooter Country created this version of Kaepernick. Own it.
Nike didn’t care what Kapernic’s detractors think. I’m assuming the NFL market and the Athletic shoe market have pretty similar demographics (D vs. R, Left vs. Right). Apparently Kaepernick is making Nike money. He has enough charisma and fame that he can garner a contract and is producing.
What the NFL loses in terms of “cooter country” tuning out, it certainly would make up with publicity and with “Colbert country” tuning in, buying jerseys and other merch instead. At least this is the calculation Nike made.
I really don’t care about a person’s politics - actor, sports, writer, singer, comedian - as long as their talent overshadows it. I’ll still buy their stuff/watch their show/listen to the music.
Kaepernick is no Mohammad Ali. He’s not the 3 time world champ. 1 billion people didn’t tune in to watch him take on George Forman. If he had that kind of talent, any team would gladly take him.
The NFL owners would sell their own mothers out if they thought it would help them win. They’d sign Bin Laden to a 120 million 5 year deal if he had a consistent 145 passer rating. They’ve made the mental assessment, and so far for what ever reason the juice isn’t worth the squeeze.
Weather it’s too much money, or not enough talent the downsides are larger than the upsides for each individual team that has looked at him to sign him.
That's nice. Again, it really isn't about Kaepernick now is it?
Besides, what are you doing in this thread? I thought you had a hissy and left because of crap like this?
He kind of looks like bin laden
Chongo posted:He isn't in the NFL because he just isn't that good, in addition to the PR baggage he brings.
....and that folks, right there, is why Kaep isn't in the league.
Conspiracy theories abound!
If we want to do a hyper capitalist cost benefit analysis, yes, talent vs. poopy diapers might account for it. Again, don't tell me he isn't better than half the scrub backups in this league.
