Fandame posted:From all outward appearances, MM has now lost this team. He would have been better to say today that discipline for Montgomery would be handled internally. Then Monty could be cut, traded, benched, etc., and MM would have saved face. To say Monty's feelings would be his punishment is too soft, too New-Agey, and too much like MM has given up. He's probably already looking for a house in Cleveland...
Good grief... 
Monty has never been a problem before (that I recall) and it would seem strange that he all of a sudden becomes one. Also have no idea why he would be pissed off about being pulled from game; his role hasn't increased/decreased significantly over the last couple of years.
Who knows what the dynamic is in the locker room, and whether anything happened over the bye week that had any influence.
I suspect, as always, the truth is somewhere between the two extremes.
But, the bottom line is, it was poor awareness/decision-making, at best. Nobody to blame but himself for that.
ChilliJon posted:
because he was pissed Mike turned him into a RB
Not quite the truth here. Ty wants to be a RB, Mike didn't turn him into one.
Grave Digger posted:Maybe Monty is being honest when he says he he made the decision to take it out because he felt he was too close to the goal line.
Really wasn't all that close and I'm very skeptical of that explanation. Think MM initially got it right- guy was just trying to make a play. Easy to forgive him for that but for a small detail: he didn't hold onto the ball in a critical situation.
Regardless, not quite sure how MM can keep having him return kicks whatever the truth really is.
The last thing this transitioning D needs is their DC turning into HC mid season. Not that it would ever happen but if MM was fired next week I'd rather go to Philbin as interim.
michiganjoe posted:Grave Digger posted:Maybe Monty is being honest when he says he he made the decision to take it out because he felt he was too close to the goal line.
Really wasn't all that close and I'm very skeptical of that explanation. Think MM initially got it right- guy was just trying to make a play. Easy to forgive him for that but for a small detail: he didn't hold onto the ball in a critical situation.
Regardless, not quite sure how MM can keep having him return kicks whatever the truth really is.
He absolutely can’t be returning kicks unless it’s an emergency...like every other possible kick returner has died. I didn’t think I would ever say this, but we need Trevor Davis.
Trev D and The Fack Attack will carry this team to a SB.
Grave Digger posted:PackerHawk posted:Grave Digger posted:I think you're right. I believe Whitehead was in the game for Brice at that point?
McVay and Rodgers would be fun, Rodgers with Gurley and maybe even Cooks would be dynamite.
I'd settle for Rodgers and Jones and a playcaller that doesn't give Jones 1 carry in the 2nd quarter after a 7 carry 45 yard 1st quarter.
Because why would you want Aaron Rodgers to have the ball when you have Aaron Jones. Balance is for teams that don’t have Aaron Rodgers.
I want to extend drives to give Rodgers more chances to do great things. More Aaron Jones equals fewer 3 and outs. You can run Aaron Jones 20 times and still let Rodgers chuck it 30 times or more. It's not one or the other and you aren't dumb enough to believe that. Are you?
It's myopic to think that running 30 times (if Jones gets 20 carries, others presumably spell him at times) a game and passing 30 times a game does anything other than limit opportunities Rodgers to make plays. Unless you're running Todd Gurley, AP in his prime, or any other great RB, you're not affecting the defense AT ALL. No defense respects the running game when you have Aaron Rodgers at QB, none. Not a single one. Running game creates zero opportunities for Rodgers, Tom Brady, or Drew Brees. That's a fantasy. Playmakers like Jones need to touch the ball, it doesn't have to be runs.
A lot of time spent on a part time RB/WR who in reality is not a difference maker in any sense. Good kid, good story but a so so NFL player. JAG in the league.
Pikes Peak posted:Good kid, good story but a so so NFL player.
Marginal is the word that comes to mind. Rapoport is reporting that the team has made him available for trade.
From that article:
One other point about Montgomery on Sunday easily overlooked was that he made another key mistake not long before the fumble.
On the Packers’ final series, they got the ball back with 6:49 to play and badly needed points to extend their 27-26 lead against maybe the best offense in the NFL.
With 5:57 left, Montgomery re-entered the game on third-and-six. He was in there because he’s better in pass protection than Aaron Jones and a better receiver than Jamaal Williams.
Montgomery lined up to Aaron Rodgers’ left, and the Rams’ best pass rusher, Aaron Donald, beat left guard Lane Taylor to the inside off the snap. Montgomery’s job is to pick up the most imminent threat, and that clearly was Donald. If Montgomery had just stepped over and thrown his body into Donald, it would have slowed the rusher enough for Rodgers to maneuver in the pocket and hit Davante Adams on a short crossing route for what probably would have been a first down.
But Montgomery instead helped pick up a stunt that left tackle David Bakhtiari and center Corey Linsley appeared to be handling just fine. Donald essentially had a free run up the middle and sacked Rodgers for a 10-yard loss that ended the possession.
Apparently JSO didn't get the memo that RBs don't need to pass block.
Beyond the reports that Monty is available for trade, additional reports from The Fan are that Rodgers is still livid over 88 "for reasons beyond the fumble". The play explained in the JSO article looks like another example.
If Rodgers is done with Montgomery, couple that with his diminishing role as a WR and a RB, then there really is no point in him being on the roster. In the same way that AR didn't trust Janis or Trevor Davis to run the right route, if Rodgers isn't going to look Monty's way then Ty is taking up a roster spot. It may not be fair but the reality is what it is.
If they can't find a trade partner, it wouldn't shock me if Monty is cut by the end of the week.
Jones would have made that block. Also, if Jones got more chances in the game the Packers might be protecting a 34-26 lead at that point and the whole Ty Montgomery fisco becomes a non-factor.
As to your previous fallacy about RB's not creating more chances for the QB - utter nonsense. If you extend drives you get more chances for your QB to make plays. The Packers ran like 50 snaps on offense Sunday. The Rams had about 75. They ran the ball 34 times and gained a lot of first downs or very short 3rd down opportunities doing so. This allowed for MORE passing plays so Goff had more attempts than Rodgers. The Packers were 2-9 on 3rd down. A lot of those 3rd down plays were 8 or more yards. Get Jones more involved and you get more of those 3rd and 2 or 3rd and 3 plays that are much higher percentage plays. Not to mention he's going to break off more of those 20+ yard gains. He's that kind of player.
None of this is about balance. It doesn't matter if it's a 50/50 mix or 60/40 or whatever. It's about using your playmakers. Jones is a playmaker and he's not getting enough chances. It really is that simple. This is a better offense with him on the field. McStupid is just too stubborn in his ways. It's going to cost him his job and team more games if he continues to ignore this.
packerboi posted:Beyond the reports that Monty is available for trade, additional reports from The Fan are that Rodgers is still livid over 88 "for reasons beyond the fumble". The play explained in the JSO article looks like another example.
If Rodgers is done with Montgomery, couple that with his diminishing role as a WR and a RB, then there really is no point in him being on the roster. In the same way that AR didn't trust Janis or Trevor Davis to run the right route, if Rodgers isn't going to look Monty's way then Ty is taking up a roster spot. It may not be fair but the reality is what it is.
If they can't find a trade partner, it wouldn't shock me if Monty is cut by the end of the week.
Packerboi for those of us who were not able to listen to The Fan, can you elaborate on who said what about Rodgers being livid?
I'd love to hear more about this.
PackerHawk posted:Jones would have made that block. Also, if Jones got more chances in the game the Packers might be protecting a 34-26 lead at that point and the whole Ty Montgomery fisco becomes a non-factor.
As to your previous fallacy about RB's not creating more chances for the QB - utter nonsense. If you extend drives you get more chances for your QB to make plays. The Packers ran like 50 snaps on offense Sunday. The Rams had about 75. They ran the ball 34 times and gained a lot of first downs or very short 3rd down opportunities doing so. This allowed for MORE passing plays so Goff had more attempts than Rodgers. The Packers were 2-9 on 3rd down. A lot of those 3rd down plays were 8 or more yards. Get Jones more involved and you get more of those 3rd and 2 or 3rd and 3 plays that are much higher percentage plays. Not to mention he's going to break off more of those 20+ yard gains. He's that kind of player.
None of this is about balance. It doesn't matter if it's a 50/50 mix or 60/40 or whatever. It's about using your playmakers. Jones is a playmaker and he's not getting enough chances. It really is that simple. This is a better offense with him on the field. McStupid is just too stubborn in his ways. It's going to cost him his job and team more games if he continues to ignore this.
this.
PackerHawk posted:Jones would have made that block. Also, if Jones got more chances in the game the Packers might be protecting a 34-26 lead at that point and the whole Ty Montgomery fisco becomes a non-factor.
As to your previous fallacy about RB's not creating more chances for the QB - utter nonsense. If you extend drives you get more chances for your QB to make plays. The Packers ran like 50 snaps on offense Sunday. The Rams had about 75. They ran the ball 34 times and gained a lot of first downs or very short 3rd down opportunities doing so. This allowed for MORE passing plays so Goff had more attempts than Rodgers. The Packers were 2-9 on 3rd down. A lot of those 3rd down plays were 8 or more yards. Get Jones more involved and you get more of those 3rd and 2 or 3rd and 3 plays that are much higher percentage plays. Not to mention he's going to break off more of those 20+ yard gains. He's that kind of player.
None of this is about balance. It doesn't matter if it's a 50/50 mix or 60/40 or whatever. It's about using your playmakers. Jones is a playmaker and he's not getting enough chances. It really is that simple. This is a better offense with him on the field. McStupid is just too stubborn in his ways. It's going to cost him his job and team more games if he continues to ignore this.
Of course Jones would have made the block, why wouldn't he? What can't he do? Oh wait, it's block, that's the thing he can't do. It's why he's not on the field in those situations.
Todd Gurley running the ball opens things up for the passing game, not just running the ball. Teams respect him, he changes the approach from the defense. No team changes their approach to GB, it's always a laser focus on what Rodgers is doing. I don't disagree that Jones needs to touch the ball more, I've literally been saying that for weeks, but this idea that MM is stupid for not running the ball more is a fallacy. They don't need to run the ball more, there's nothing the running game can do that Aaron Rodgers can't do throwing the ball. The difference is, Rodgers has a lot more options with the ball in his hands than Jones does running the ball.
I say fire MM and let Monty coach the team. McCarthy is fine with Ty making whatever decisions he wants, so eff it, let Monty coach the whole deal.
Grave Digger posted:PackerHawk posted:Jones would have made that block. Also, if Jones got more chances in the game the Packers might be protecting a 34-26 lead at that point and the whole Ty Montgomery fisco becomes a non-factor.
As to your previous fallacy about RB's not creating more chances for the QB - utter nonsense. If you extend drives you get more chances for your QB to make plays. The Packers ran like 50 snaps on offense Sunday. The Rams had about 75. They ran the ball 34 times and gained a lot of first downs or very short 3rd down opportunities doing so. This allowed for MORE passing plays so Goff had more attempts than Rodgers. The Packers were 2-9 on 3rd down. A lot of those 3rd down plays were 8 or more yards. Get Jones more involved and you get more of those 3rd and 2 or 3rd and 3 plays that are much higher percentage plays. Not to mention he's going to break off more of those 20+ yard gains. He's that kind of player.
None of this is about balance. It doesn't matter if it's a 50/50 mix or 60/40 or whatever. It's about using your playmakers. Jones is a playmaker and he's not getting enough chances. It really is that simple. This is a better offense with him on the field. McStupid is just too stubborn in his ways. It's going to cost him his job and team more games if he continues to ignore this.
Of course Jones would have made the block, why wouldn't he? What can't he do? Oh wait, it's block, that's the thing he can't do. It's why he's not on the field in those situations.
Todd Gurley running the ball opens things up for the passing game, not just running the ball. Teams respect him, he changes the approach from the defense. No team changes their approach to GB, it's always a laser focus on what Rodgers is doing. I don't disagree that Jones needs to touch the ball more, I've literally been saying that for weeks, but this idea that MM is stupid for not running the ball more is a fallacy. They don't need to run the ball more, there's nothing the running game can do that Aaron Rodgers can't do throwing the ball. The difference is, Rodgers has a lot more options with the ball in his hands than Jones does running the ball.
I get what you're saying here but at what point do you say the potential benefits outweigh the risk. Would Rodgers have been any less upright had it been Jones blocking? If you only bring him in on non-passing situations, how long til the defense figures that out?
Well half of our awesome pass protecting RB's are now gone for just a 7th round pick. The Ravens are probably going to the Super Bowl now.
Stay out on that limb with McStupidface. Better hope it's a strong branch or fatass will bring you down with him.
PackerHawk posted:Well half of our awesome pass protecting RB's are now gone for just a 7th round pick. The Ravens are probably going to the Super Bowl now.
Stay out on that limb with McStupidface. Better hope it's a strong branch or fatass will bring you down with him.
Hilarious Hawk.
How will the Packers function without a stud player like Monty?
Bring me down to what? It's an opinion on an internet forum. Oh the drama of someone disagreeing.
No, but you will be traded to Rubechat for future considerations.
edit: well, you edited your reply so now mine makes no sense.
They will be even easier to troll than you old farts.
He absolutely can’t be returning kicks unless it’s an emergency...like every other possible kick returner has died. I didn’t think I would ever say this, but we need Trevor Davis.
I believe Jeff Janis! is available.
Watch Bulaga and Marcedes on this play. I love it !!!
Now THAT is how you create a lane @BBulaga & @MarcedesLewis89!!! pic.twitter.com/GSvtJ05DMy
— Andy Herman (@SconnieSports) October 30, 2018
Stating the obvious, but more of that would be nice!!
Why Kendricks continues to get snaps over Lewis is a mystery that will never be solved.
BrainDed posted:Why Kendricks continues to get snaps over Lewis is a mystery that will never be solved.
We do what we do.
YATittle posted:BrainDed posted:Why Kendricks continues to get snaps over Lewis is a mystery that will never be solved.
We do what we do.
I think it must be because Kendricks can get open in the passing game. The fact that every throw to him is an adventure because he drops more well thrown balls than any recent WR/TE they've had doesn't seem to enter the decision - they just assume he'll catch them the next time.
Marcedes Lewis has been targeted exactly 1 time this year, that was in week 2. I know he's an older player having been in the league for 12 years now, but I would think the man can still catch a ball if it was thrown to him.
As long as Bulaga can muscle his man out of the way, that frees Lewis to turn and hit the other guy. If Bulaga doesn't get leverage and move his man, Lewis has to double him and Jones doesn't go far.
DikRod would have asked for a game of paddy cake and got pushed back into the lane thus causing a butt fumble.
