+ Defense showed life
+ Jaire!!!
+ Brice nowhere to be seen
- OL
- #88
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+ overall competitive play
- MM pooping his pants at critical goalline moment
- Monty pooping his pants
- still don’t value timeouts.
How many plays did we get out of Josh Jackson?
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Saw some good things from the defense and they played well enough to win.
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Offense didn't take advantage of the defensive play in the first half and the safety was a killer.
Special teams are pure shit and it'll likely take a coaching change to fix them. Jury still out on the Scott pick.
I may have been using the wrong hashtag
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El-Ka-Bong posted:How many plays did we get out of Josh Jackson?
Did he play at all? Tried to come in for Tramon when he was limping & Tramon made him go back to sideline.
Bubye 88. You’re our fourth best WR and our third best rusher. The experiment is over. Time to go. You’re now a liability.
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Alexander was a stud today
Jones looked good
Young WRs stepped up
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Mont****ingomery
20 passes and 4 rushing attempts in second half including one that went for a long TD
A brutal finish to what would have been a hallmark win
packaddict posted:I would put --- next to ty for this game
Not enough minuses.
Ty shouldn't have brought the ball out but his careless ball security on the play was just as inexcusable.
#Packers KR Ty Montgomery declined to comment after his game-swinging fumble.
— Ryan Wood (@ByRyanWood) October 29, 2018
Weak, he needs to own his mistake.
+ I thought this may have been the 2nd best game the Pack played all year (Vikings game was their best game). If they play as well as they did this week the rest of the year, they'll win more than they lose.
- Despite playing very well. They still lost. They just aren't one of the NFL's elite teams despite having an elite QB.
This was a good measuring stick for this team. They’re good, they’re not good enough to win these big games. When healthy the offense and defense can compete and win against the best units in the NFL, they just need to play a complete game as a team. Hope they have a short memory because next week is going to be just as difficult.
+ Played well enough to win
+Kinda didn't give up on the run
+Rookie WR's stepping up
+One more nail in MM's coffin
-ST's still bad
-Finding new ways to lose
I think there was a lot of good problem is the mental understanding of game management by the “team” (players coaches) just continues to amaze me. We are our own worst opponent.
Before I decide I am going to wait for MMs presser.
bdplant posted:Bubye 88. You’re our fourth best WR
Oops. Not. He’s at least 6th. Actually I’d say he’s not even ranked at WR.
I’m not into knee jerk reactions, but I agree he’s wasting a roster spot. He’s never looked right as a RB, we don’t need him at WR, and we certainly don’t want him returning any more kicks.
michiganjoe posted:#Packers KR Ty Montgomery declined to comment after his game-swinging fumble.
— Ryan Wood (@ByRyanWood) October 29, 2018Weak, he needs to own his mistake.
Amazing. You commint one of the biggest plays that influences the game and run away. Just amazing.
+ Defense finally coming together, did what they needed to today; CMIII comes to life ; J. Alexander is going to be verrrry good
+ This receiving corps is looking very deep
- How does Monty not get the message that doing anything other than downing it in the EZ is just plain stupid when your QB is #12. Is there no communications ??? I'm not a MM hater but...wow, once again, the unbelievable happens.
PLUS
- Hard to say defense is a positive when they give up 29, but my lord is that a talented and superbly coached team they played against. Definitely feel like the D is good enough to win most games
- Adams continues to catch the ball, make plays, and be the only consistent WR to get open.
- Aaron Jones shows every week why he should be the primary ball carrier here.
MINUS
- McCarthy continues to be stale and predictable on offense. There are very few wrinkles, or changes or innovations. It's almost exclusively lining up in 11, and hoping a WR can beat his man and find an opening. That works a lot of times because they have the best QB on earth. MVS beats his man and AR makes them pay. But they aren't beating their man often enough these days. And even with that, it's not causing nearly the problems for DC's that it was in 2011. Where are the adjustments when the DL is getting huge pressure? Screens, flairs, passes to RB are few and far between. Rolling the pocket? WR Screens? Where are WRs in motion pre snap to help with coverages? Bunch formations? There's literally nothing different that the offense gives you that everyone doesn't have 7 years of tape on. Again, with the best QB in the game, you can still rise above it a lot of the time! I'm not saying they have to run Mike Leach's Air Raid (but they totally should), but it feels like this offense is a relic being propped up by Rodgers. Seemingly many other offenses can plug in backups and function. The fact that they can't function at even a basic level with backups screams it even more.
- McCarthy sticking with Monty over and over and over and over is insanity. He had a few nice solid games as a RB that first year. Since it's been a whole lot of nothing and a few nice passes here and there. I know everyone wants to bash Monty, but it's McCarthy's goddamn job to put the right players in the best position to win. He is failing at that repeatedly with the RB and Return positions and Monty for god only knows what reason.
- ST was bad. Scott had a bad bad kick at the worst moment. The fake punt was a pretty obvious one I thought given how the game was going and place on field. While it didn't cause damage, it was a pretty easy convert.
- Clock Management is atrocious. Everyone makes fun of Andy Ried and his issues around it, but I would sell my kidney for his clock management compared to McCarthy. It's baffling to me that a guy that's been leading a team for 15 years still has trouble getting the plays in with a reasonable amount of time and still uses TOs in insane ways. This happens EVERY week. Every week, they burn through TOs early in a half. And far too often MM calls TOs on defense that end up costing them points. He's so so bad at this. He really needs a dedicated person on the sideline that owns telling him when/how to use TOs because he simply doesn't get it.
Done with Mike not thinking details matter. Coach your coaches or **** off.
Feel bad for Scott bad game it happens see Mason. Let’s see how he responds.
Now I’ve inched closer to the need a fresh face in the head coach/offensive side of the ball. Just don’t know who’s out there but it does seem to have worked for the defense. I think that side of the ball is very close to putting a full game effort together.
A lot of what Tim said ^^^
Poz:
I've said this before. And I'll be a broken record and say it again. This is a phase 1 of phase 2 fix on D. You can clearly see this secondary for the Packers is the real deal. Alexander played at a ridiculous level today. King can more then hold his own deep against the pass. Tramon is a good veteran presence, not quite as good as he was in 2017, but a major step up from House. That Jackson and Breeland barely, if at all, saw the field against an offense that is one of the best in the NFL speaks volumes. Phase 2 is fixing the pass rush. But still, Goff was sacked 5 times today. That Pettine is finding a way to get to the QB with Nick Perry doing nothing all year, CMIII invisible until today, is well, amazing. Safety play is OK. It shouldn't be a shock at HHCD is on the trade block. You can just see him doing all he can to not get hurt. But there are definitely things to build on from this defense. Gute just can't fix everything in one year.
Scandling and Brown, now that they have faced some good defenses, there is a lot of positives to be excited about. Both these guys deserve to see increased playing time.
Neg:
McStubborn just cannot commit to the run. Period. He will abandon it at the SLIGHTEST hint of resistance. It's been this way for years. I don't care what comes out of his mouth. He simply cannot stay with a run game regardless of how well it's working. Jones had nearly 45 yards rushing in the 1st Q. Then it's like he got kidnapped and was almost never heard from again. A 7.2 yard avg and it falls on deaf ears. I don't want to hear the excuses for what's been inexcusable for far too long. As AR said today in his PC, he can't control personnel decisions and who's on the field. It was obvious Rodgers had no idea why Jones disappeared from the game plan as well.
Special Teams is unacceptable under MM. Again, nothing new. It's been going on for years. Supposedly Zook and/or MM told Monty if the ball goes in the EZ, don't bring it out. Just like when Bostick was told not to touch the ball in the NFCC, it didn't matter. These players do what they feel like anyway. When this unit of your team has no accountability, players won't worry about not playing the next week or getting cut. Tony Brown with huge gaffes the 2 games before this one. Zook has no worries, he's not going anywhere. Again, loyalty here is biting MM right in the ass and everyone keeps their paycheck. Fuc**** ridiculous
+Alexander of course
+Martinez is one of the best linebackers in the game
+Adams, Jones and the young receivers and 12
+one game closer to McCarthy's departure-the run at the goal line is emblematic of why GB has won so few big games since 2011...you can't do that in big games...and McCarthy does it constantly
PackerBackerDPM posted:Feel bad for Scott bad game it happens see Mason. Let’s see how he responds.
Now I’ve inched closer to the need a fresh face in the head coach/offensive side of the ball. Just don’t know who’s out there but it does seem to have worked for the defense. I think that side of the ball is very close to putting a full game effort together.
This guy Matt Lafleur at Tennessee coached Blaine Gabbert to a 97 rating and a win vs. Houston. Getting any production from Gabbert seems like a mountain of a task, getting him to play well means this guy is a freakin genius.
This game was going to come down to who made the big mistake, probably a turnover. That’s what happened.
The offense came alive in the second half when they needed to- before that, the most expensive DL in football was doing their jobs. Then the Packers scored TDs in back to back possessions and should have had the ball in the 2 minute drill needing a FG to win.
There were few penalties and until Monty’s inexplicable decision, no turnovers.
The defense, particularly the young secondary and the old pass rush, demonstrated they can play when they’re all on the field.
Those who think this game was somehow and indictment of McCarthy are just trying to see what they want to see. The Packers are not as good or talented as the Rams, yet played right with them. Should really have won it. A couple players made a couple critical mistakes. That what decides games between two good football teams. If they play like they did today the rest of the season they won’t lose another game.
Timpranillo posted:
- This happens EVERY week. Every week, they burn through TOs early in a half. And far too often MM calls TOs on defense that end up costing them points. He's so so bad at this. He really needs a dedicated person on the sideline that owns telling him when/how to use TOs because he simply doesn't get it.
The first timeout looked to me like it was all on AR. Trying to draw them offside twice is enough, you don't do it three or four times and then call a timeout. Stupid, stupid, stupid of the best player on the field.
I think people who saw a moral victory are kidding themselves. I said last week that an inexperienced undefeated team favored big at home was ripe for an upset and that's what I saw today. GB played hard and played well but when the Rams woke up it was back to the boat race. We've seen GB so the same thing when they were the dominant team and came out flat vs an inferior opponent too many times. This was a trap game for them. The Rams are very very good from HC to ST. LAR vs NO would be the biggest ticket tomorrow.
GB looks like they might get to 8 wins and that is an improvement from what I saw the 3 previous weeks.
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ARod
Jones
All WRs including the 2 rooks
Crosby
Defense (ESPECIALLY Alexander!)
ST (for kick/punt coverage and no stupid penalties)
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OL
HHCD
Scott
Ty
I'll save my comments on game management/play calling for another post.
It's hard to be boiling mad considering the efforts and results...for the first 58 minutes. However, it's hugely disappointing that the offense didn't have a chance to win the game.
Offense had a shot to put the team in a great position with about 6 minutes to go and up by one. The result: three and out. Something still not right with the offense and not what I expected to see when they brought Joe Philbin back on board.
michiganjoe posted:Offense had a shot to put the team in a great position with about 6 minutes to go and up by one. The result: three and out. Something still not right with the offense and not what I expected to see when they brought Joe Philbin back on board.
Did you happen to notice who was in at RB on first and third down that series?
I'm sure the Rams were happy to see him out there instead of Aaron Jones.
Why McCarthy feels the need to include #88 in the rotation of running backs is one of the great mysteries of our time.
Not sure I’ve ever felt worse for a player that I have never met but genuinely seems like a proud family man like Ty Montgomery.
Keep your head up Ty. Today was just a Sunday.
Only positives here
+Like that last kickoff return? Usually when we try to return it, instant holding call. Very good discipline from the entire return team to not hold there. Real progress. Things getting cleaned up.
+Packers lost after fans invaded opposing stadium. Like sheesh very insulting to the sports fans in LA to buy up all their seats with Wisconsin Cash. The impoverished people of SoCal should be able to go see their team without the Big Cheese Lobby oppressing them. Good they got to see their proud storied franchise get to 8-0.
+I was worried about Aaron's knee, he really didn't need another pointless stat padding drive attempt to stress it. Now it is fresh for that march to 7-8-1.
+Timeout use was very good. Didn't leave any in our pockets. And I mean, who *didn't* jump offsides at home on third down where they brilliantly hard-counted without running a play? Not sure how the defense didn't jump. LA possibly hacked our headset communication?
+1:25pm PDT start time, slept in with extra time left over to pick up pizza.
+ The refs let both teams play which made the game enjoyable to watch. At least until that fumble.
Ty needs to know the game situation, and his coach needs to make 100% absolute certainly that Ty knows the game situation.
I put blame about 60-40 Zook-Montgomery.
Johnson posted:+Martinez is one of the best linebackers in the game
Even if he isn't one of the best I have never understood all the shit he takes on this board. He's a solid player. They drafted Burks to be a coverage LB.
+ The Packers went toe to toe with a team that in my opinion should roll to the Super Bowl out of the NFC
The defense showed up
Alexander
If this team is healthy they can play with anyone
- One of the few times I will really slam MM is his continued use of Montgomery as a RB. You have Jones and Williams who are true RB's why do you go away from them?
- Monty going against what the coaches told him and ran the ball out of the end zone
- Still some work to do on the roster to close the talent gaps with some teams