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@tsr86free posted:

Bogdan signs with Hawks. Good riddens. I think the Bucks are pretty much full up now, maybe one more depth piece. Looks solid on paper.

The Hawks signed Gallinari, Bogdanovic, and Rondo for a combined ~50 million.

The fundamental problem for the Hawks is that their featured player, Trae Young, is an atrocious defensive player (defensive rating of 117). For comparison Giannis is best in the league at 97. This is based on points per 100 possessions.

Gallinari is a poor defender as well (111). Bogdanovic is also poor (113). Rondo is a good defender when he cares to try, but they probably aren't getting playoff Rondo.

Atlanta games will be track meets.

I retired as well.  The last time I played I partially tore my left calf muscle.  I figured that was a sign as I was defending someone about 15 years younger than me.

I can still run and shoot, just not in the same combination at the same time lol.

Thankfully I donโ€™t have any chronic issues like my brother and dad.  Both of them had major knee injuries playing football.   Worst thing I deal with now is occasional foot soreness from running.  

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@Music City posted:

Iโ€™m retired. In the last 5 years, I have a torn calf, torn plantar fascia, degenerative lower back, a bum shoulder, and about 40 LBs that wasnโ€™t there before. But Iโ€™m with MP2- I can be a victory cigar...

I did have a career-high of 32 points against that tough Almond-Bancroft High School defense when I was in my prime. If my life depended on hitting a wide-open 3 point shot, I'd want to take it myself instead of Eric Bledsoe or Giannis.

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2020 Free Agency Update

IN: Jrue Holiday, DJ Augustine, Bobby Portis, Bryn Forbes, Torrey Craig, Jordan Nwora, Sam Merrill

OUT: Eric Bledsoe, George Hill, Ersan Ilyasova, Wesley Matthews, Robin Lopez, Frank Mason, Sterling Brown, Marvin Williams (retired), Kyle Korver (retired)
RETAINED: Giannis Antetokounmpo, Khris Middleton, Brook Lopez, Donte Divincenzo, Pat Connaughton, DJ Wilson, Thanasis Antetokounmpo
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So, how long is Giannis going to wait? All the free agent dominoes have now fallen and it looks like several teams have compromised their teams for this year to stay in the running for Giannis next year.

The Raptors let Ibaka go because they wouldn't go 2 years on his contract and are likely to use Gasol as well. They are much worse.

The Heat let Jae Crowder go and signed Avery Bradley, again because they didn't want to commit to the 2nd year of Crowder's contract. Bradley makes zero sense there given they have a very similar player (Nunn) and he doesn't help them guard Giannis which is still a key to getting out of the East. Iguodala will turn 37 in a few months.

The Celtics lost Gordon Hayward and replaced him with Tristan Thompson. Really?

The Sixers gave up Al Horford for Dwight Howard, who is the worst player you could imagine for spacing the floor when you are playing Embiid and Simmons.

The Hawks have signed every shooting guard/small forward they can find, but they aren't a threat to get out of the East.

The Hornets gave a washed-up 30-year old who was only a 1-time all-star before he got hurt 120 million dollars.

Everybody loves the Nets in the media (they need the ratings from NYC), but they are relying on a guy who hasn't played in 18 months coming off a torn Achilles and Kyrie Irving might be the worst teammate in the league. Durant doesn't have the most durable body type to start with.

The Bucks got the best player that changed teams (Holiday) and have added a lot of good depth.

If Giannis signs the supermax, I would expect the Harden/Westbrook dominoes to fall in terms of trades.

If Giannis doesn't sign, this season is going to be unbearable in terms of the media at every road game.

Thatโ€™s a really good breakdown MP2.

For all the people that complain or criticize what the Bucks have done itโ€™s important to note what other teams in the East have done.

Milwaukee made the best move in the East by basically trading Bledsoe for Holiday.   Heโ€™s not a liability offensively like Bled and heโ€™s comparable defensively.  Yes I know they gave up picks but Hill is offset by Augustin.  DDV and Pat C are back.  Forbes is a sneaky good player that offensively is better than Matthews.  Torrey Craig fills role of defensive specialist vacated by Wes Matthews and Marvin Williams.  Portis is an athletic upgrade off the bench in the frontcourt instead of Ersan. About the only area they might be worse is a true backup at C with Robin Lopez departing.  But R Lopez didnโ€™t see a lot of playing time anyway.

Whatโ€™s key is Middleton and Giannis need to stay healthy.  They donโ€™t have much behind them but honestly they didnโ€™t this past season either.

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@Tschmack posted:

Whatโ€™s key is Middleton and Giannis need to stay healthy.  They donโ€™t have much behind them but honestly they didnโ€™t this past season either.

Of course... if the Lakers lose LeBron or AD or both, they arenโ€™t contenders either.

But what is important is that Giannis rounds out his game. A counter move to the wall. A confident step back, pull up, jump hook, baseline turnaround... I think these are more important than the three point shot.

Bur the other guys must improve, too. Middleton ball handling and shot selection, making the smarter, higher % play.

Weโ€™ll also see if thereโ€™s something to the Budenholzer defensive scheme. The Bucks have added athleticism on the perimeter, better on ball defenders. I suspect they donโ€™t plan to change the drop P&R defense- instead relying upon the improved athleticism to chase the ball rotations down to contest the shots they couldnโ€™t get to last year.

And when teams go small, the Bucks can go small too and still have Giannis on the floor. In fact, if Giannis improves his post up game, and teams go small, he should feast. And that how you win in the playoffs- you can counter their counter and still dictate how the game is played. Miami did this in the playoffs, and they wonโ€™t be able to do that now.

The Bucks built their team last year to contend with teams like Philly that had a lot of size in their frontcourt.  They struggled against teams like Miami that could go smaller and it made some of their guys like Robin Lopez and Ersan unplayable.  

Clearly they have upgraded their outside shooting.   Basically everyone they added w/exception of Torrey Craig can shoot the 3 pretty well.   They also got younger and more athletic at most of their positions.

Maybe now Bud finally has the roster he needs to work his scheme of spreading the floor and shooting 3s.  In theory, that should open up the lane(s) again for Giannis.   But Giannis also needs to come prepared this year to elevate his game offensively.  He did improve the 3 pt shooting but honestly if he can do what Garnett and Duncan did with their midrange game he would be unstoppable.

All great players spend the offseason working on their game and Iโ€™m hopeful heโ€™s added more tools to the toolbox.

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@Tschmack posted:

The Bucks built their team last year to contend with teams like Philly that had a lot of size in their frontcourt.  They struggled against teams like Miami that could go smaller and it made some of their guys like Robin Lopez and Ersan unplayable.  

Clearly they have upgraded their outside shooting.   Basically everyone they added w/exception of Torrey Craig can shoot the 3 pretty well.   They also got younger and more athletic at most of their positions.

Maybe now Bud finally has the roster he needs to work his scheme of spreading the floor and shooting 3s.  In theory, that should open up the lane(s) again for Giannis.   But Giannis also needs to come prepared this year to elevate his game offensively.  He did improve the 3 pt shooting but honestly if he can do what Garnett and Duncan did with their midrange game he would be unstoppable.

All great players spend the offseason working on their game and Iโ€™m hopeful heโ€™s added more tools to the toolbox.

If the Bucks don't draw Miami, they probably make it out of the East this year. They were the worst possible matchup. Miami replicated what Toronto did the year before (a bunch of 3 point shooters, a guy that could slow Giannis down 1 x 1, and a bunch of help defenders that could build the wall). Boston lacked the latter 2 things, Philly didn't have the 3 point shooters, Toronto minus Kawhi was not as tough an out, and the Pacers weren't going to be close to them.

And even with the bad draw (Miami specifically went and got Crowder and Iguodala at the trade deadline for a Bucks matchup), if Bledsoe doesn't meltdown again, I think the Bucks still win. I really like Bledsoe as a try-hard, high effort guy, so watching him out there in 4th quarters being left wide open and the fact he knew he was probably going to fail was just sad. You could see it on his face and in his body language. Running him back for three years in a row when that was the main reason they lost in the playoffs each year (that and Giannis not being able to hit 15 foot jump shots but you aren't trading him) was malpractice by the front office.

Well, Iโ€™m glad someone else stated what Iโ€™ve been saying about Bledsoe.  In the playoffs, he became an absolute liability on offense and you could not play him down the stretch.   He also struggled big time running the point in the half court sets.  He excelled in the regular season because they could get out and run and play transition but come playoffs the teams get better and defenses tighten up and the pace slows.   Basically all of his warts got exposed and you could see how it affected others as well.  Instead of playing loose and relaxed they got anxious and rushed shots or turned the ball over.

The way you beat the Bucks is launch and hit a bunch of 3s and get physical and frustrate Giannis.   Toronto did that and Miami took it a step further.  Now, with this revamped roster, teams can still bomb away but this Bucks team will have more and better options offensively which should lead to less pressure on Giannis and ideally more open looks for the shooters for them to knock down those shots.  

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@Tschmack posted:

Well, Iโ€™m glad someone else stated what Iโ€™ve been saying about Bledsoe.  In the playoffs, he became an absolute liability on offense and you could not play him down the stretch.   He also struggled big time running the point in the half court sets.  He excelled in the regular season because they could get out and run and play transition but come playoffs the teams get better and defenses tighten up and the pace slows.   Basically all of his warts got exposed and you could see how it affected others as well.  Instead of playing loose and relaxed they got anxious and rushed shots or turned the ball over.

The way you beat the Bucks is launch and hit a bunch of 3s and get physical and frustrate Giannis.   Toronto did that and Miami took it a step further.  Now, with this revamped roster, teams can still bomb away but this Bucks team will have more and better options offensively which should lead to less pressure on Giannis and ideally more open looks for the shooters for them to knock down those shots.  

Bledsoe really excels in the regular season because he does most of his damage against the guys in deeper regular season rotations and against the lower guys in the league. Obviously everyone looks better against poorer defenders, but a 6'1" guy whose main skill is driving all the way to the basket to overpower guys is not going to be able to do that against playoff defenses when non-Bud coaches shrink to the rotation to 8 guys. Bledsoe would have been a great matchup against Kemba Walker on both ends of the court, but they didn't get that draw.

Latest rumor is if Nicholas Batum clears waivers and becomes a free agent he could be signed for a reasonable price like the 2.5MM vet minimum similar to what Wes Matthews signed last year.

Until this last season he was a starter for Charlotte and a pretty solid 2 way player.  Heโ€™d be the perfect backup to Middleton at the 3 spot and like others he shoots the 3 pretty well.

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@Tschmack posted:

Latest rumor is if Nicholas Batum clears waivers and becomes a free agent he could be signed for a reasonable price like the 2.5MM vet minimum similar to what Wes Matthews signed last year.

Until this last season he was a starter for Charlotte and a pretty solid 2 way player.  Heโ€™d be the perfect backup to Middleton at the 3 spot and like others he shoots the 3 pretty well.

This is where Horst messing up with the cap situation hurts. If I read it correctly, the Bucks literally cannot sign another player even for the minimum. It gets into some esoteric points of cap management and has to do with how "unlikely" versus "likely" bonuses in Holiday's contract count against the cap differently if you are hard-capped like the Bucks now are. The link I posted a few days ago goes through how the Bucks messed up on all this (Connaughton's contract, not looking for a way to get some small trade exemptions, etc.).

The Bucks lack of detailed knowledge about the cap prevents them from being a suitor of Batum (I think).