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Eliminate all of the background noise for a moment.  Look at his employment situation. 

The bottom line is the owners and NFL made a concerted effort to disallow Kap from playing football simply because of his political and social statements and actions. Playing professional football is the way he makes a living, and the league blackballed him. 

He pursued legal action (his right) and if this carried forward it’s highly likely he would have prevailed.  The league finally came to their senses and settled which is basically what they do.  They talk tough and mention values and principles but don’t back it up.  

By the way - not a fan of Kaepernick as a player and I don’t really care much for how he expresses himself off the field. His views are his views and it’s a free country. 

 

Music City posted:

I thought it was heroic...

I define it differently. But, that’s what’s cool about free speech. As long as someone is willing to accept the consequences, then say what you wish. Just don’t piss and moan when it happens. And that’s what he did. Yet in the end he got paid and so did his lawyers and a lot of sports writers. 

I told my wife today as she left for work that teachers are losers and education sucks.  She will probably still do her best today because that is the kind of woman I married.  We are working on discouraging our daughter from being a teacher though, we've weaponized ignorance to much in this country for that to be worthwhile.  

ChilliJon posted:

Coulter thinks Colin is a border savant. 

The amount of stupid in high places in this country is concerning. 

Never been more important to teach our kids to read, everything, gather facts, investigate, ask questions, question answers, then question facts. 

Education will always win. Education is absolutely everything. 

Until they get to college. Then it goes to hell....

Alleged:
https://www.washingtonpost.com...m_term=.7bc862355fae

Graduation Examination Questions
of Saline County, Kansas

April 13, 1895

J.W. Armstrong, County Superintendent.

Examinations at Salina, New Cambria, Gypsum City, Assaria, Falun, Bavaria, and District No. 74 (in Glendale Twp.)

Reading and Penmanship. – The Examination will be oral, and the Penmanship of Applicants will be graded from the manuscripts.

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GRAMMAR
(Time, one hour)
1. Give nine rules for the use of Capital Letters.
2. Name the Parts of Speech and define those that have no modifications.
3. Define Verse, Stanza and Paragraph.
4. What are the Principal Parts of a verb? Give Principal Parts of do, lie, lay and run.
5. Define Case. Illustrate each case.
6. What is Punctuation? Give rules for principal marks of Punctuation.
7-10 Write a composition of about 150 words and show therein that you understand the practical use of the rules of grammar.

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ARITHMETIC
(Time, 1 ¼ hour)
1. Name and define the Fundamental Rules of Arithmetic.
2. A wagon box is 2 ft. deep, 10 feet long, and 3 ft. wide. How many bushels of wheat will it hold?
3. If a load of wheat weights 3942 lbs., what is it worth at 50 cts. Per bu., deducting 1050 lbs for tare?
4. District No. 33 has a valuation of $35,000. What is the necessary levy to carry on a school seven months at $50 per month, and have $104 for incidentals?
5. Find cost of 6720 lbs. coal at $6.00 per ton.
6. Find the interest of $512.60 for 8 months and 18 days at 7 per cent.
7. What is the cost of 40 boards 12 inches wide and 16 ft. long at $20 per m?
8. Find bank discount on $300 for 90 days (no grace) at 10 per cent.
9. What is the cost of a square farm at $15 per acre, the distance around which is 640 rods?
10. Write a Bank Check, a Promissory Note, and a Receipt.

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U.S. HISTORY
(Time, 45 minutes)
1. Give the epochs into which U.S. History is divided.
2. Give an account of the discovery of America by Columbus.
3. Relate the causes and results of the Revolutionary War.
4. Show the territorial growth of the United States.
5. Tell what you can of the history of Kansas.
6. Describe three of the most prominent battles of the Rebellion.
7. Who were the following: Morse, Whtney, Fulton, Bell, Lincoln, Penn, and Howe?
8. Name events connected with the following dates: 1607, 1620, 1800, 1849, and 1865.

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ORTHOGRAPHY
(Time, one hour)
1. What is meant by the following: Alphabet, phonetic orthogaphy, etymology, syllabication?
2. What are elementary sounds? How classified?
3. What are the following, and give examples of each: Trigraph, subvocals, diphthong, cognate letters, linguals?
4. Give four substitutes for caret ãuä.
5. Give two rules for spelling words with final ãeä. Name two exceptions under each rule.
6. Give two uses of silent letters in spelling. Illustrate each.
7. Define the following prefixes and use in connection with a word: Bi, dis, mis, pre, semi, post, non, inter, mono, super.
8. Mark diacritically and divide into syllables the following, and name the sign that indicates the sound: Card, ball, mercy, sir, odd, cell, rise, blood, fare, last.
9. Use the following correctly in sentences: Cite, site, sight, fane, fain, feign, vane, vain, vein, raze, raise, rays.
10. Write 10 words frequently mispronounced and indicate pronunciation by use of diacritical marks and by syllabication.

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GEOGRAPHY
(Time, one hour)
1. What is climate? Upon what does climate depend?
2. How do you account for the extremes of climate in Kansas?
3. Of what use are rivers? Of what use is the ocean?
4. Describe the mountains of N.A.
5. Name and describe the following: Monrovia, Odessa, Denver, Manitoba, Hecla, Yukon, St. Helena, Juan Fernandez, Aspinwall, and Orinoco.
6. Name and locate the principal trade centers of the U.S.
7. Name all the republics of Europe and give capital of each.
8. Why is the Atlantic Coast colder than the Pacific in the same latitude?
9. Describe the process by which the water of the ocean returns to the sources of rivers.
10. Describe the movements of the earth. Give inclination of the earth.

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PHYSIOLOGY
(Time, 45 minutes)
1. Where are the saliva, gastric juice, and bile secreted? What is the use of each in digestion?
2. How does nutrition reach the circulation?
3. What is the function of the liver? Of the kidneys?
4. How would you stop the flow of blood from an artery in the case of laceration?
5. Give some general directions that you think would be beneficial to preserve the human body in a state of health.

From the link: 

What nearly all these pundits fail to grasp is “I can’t answer these questions” is not the same thing as “These questions demonstrate that students in earlier days were better educated than today’s students.” Just about any test looks difficult to those who haven’t recently been steeped in the material it covers. If a 40-year-old can’t score as well

on a geography test as a high school student who just spent several weeks memorizing the names of all the rivers in South America in preparation for an exam, that doesn’t mean the 40-year-old’s education was woefully deficient — it means the he simply didn’t retain information for which he had no use, no matter how thoroughly it was drilled into his brain through rote memory some twenty-odd years earlier. I suspect I’d fail a lot of the tests I took back in high school if I had to re-take them today without reviewing the material beforehand. I certainly wouldn’t be able to pass any arithmetic test that required me to be familiar with such arcane measurements as “rods” and “bushels,” but I can still calculate areas and volumes just fine, thank you.

Ah, but this is high school (or even eighth grade) stuff, people say — it’s basic knowledge that everyone should remember and use. Nonsense. The questions on this exam don’t reflect only items of “basic knowledge” — many of the questions require the test-taker to have absorbed some very specialized information, and if today’s students can’t regurgitate all the same facts as their 1895 counterparts, it’s because the types of knowledge we consider to be important have changed a great deal in the last century, not necessarily because today’s students have sub-standard educations.

Consider: To pass this test, no knowledge of the arts is necessary (not even a nodding familiarity with a few of the greatest works of English literature), no demonstration of mathematical learning other than plain arithmetic is required (forget algebra, geometry, or trigonometry), nothing beyond a familiarity with the highlights of American history is needed (never mind the fundamentals of world history, as this exam scarcely acknowledges that any country other than the USA even exists), no questions about the history, structure, or function of the United States government are asked (not even the standard “Name the three branches of our federal government”), science is given a pass except for a few questions about geography and the rudiments of human anatomy, and no competence in any foreign language (living or dead) is necessary. An exam for today’s high school graduates that omitted even one of these subjects would be loudly condemned by parents and educators alike, subjects about which the Salina, Kansas, students of 1895 needed know nothing at all. Would it be fair to say that the average Salina student was woefully undereducated because he failed to learn many of the things that we consider important today, but which were of little importance in his time and place? If not, then why do people keep asserting that the reverse is true? Why do journalists continue to base their gleeful articles about how much more was expected of the students of yesteryear on flawed assumptions? Perhaps some people are too intent upon making a point to bother considering the proper questions.

 

Basically, as a high school teacher, why so many in my profession feel beaten up and like the example above don't encourage our offspring to join this worthy field.

Floridarob posted:
ChilliJon posted:

Coulter thinks Colin is a border savant. 

The amount of stupid in high places in this country is concerning. 

Never been more important to teach our kids to read, everything, gather facts, investigate, ask questions, question answers, then question facts. 

Education will always win. Education is absolutely everything. 

Until they get to college. Then it goes to hell....

This is garbage, more right wing paranoia about "socialist Commie professors."

Sam Cooke was right....Don't know much....

As was Bruce Springsteen.  I learned more in a 3 minute record than I ever learned in school.

A real eye opener for me was ' A Yoyage Long and Strange' by Tony Horwitz.  A book filled with info that was never taught to me.  Never.   Check  it out.  

YATittle posted:

From the link: 

What nearly all these pundits fail to grasp is “I can’t answer these questions” is not the same thing as “These questions demonstrate that students in earlier days were better educated than today’s students.” Just about any test looks difficult to those who haven’t recently been steeped in the material it covers. If a 40-year-old can’t score as well

on a geography test as a high school student who just spent several weeks memorizing the names of all the rivers in South America in preparation for an exam, that doesn’t mean the 40-year-old’s education was woefully deficient — it means the he simply didn’t retain information for which he had no use, no matter how thoroughly it was drilled into his brain through rote memory some twenty-odd years earlier. I suspect I’d fail a lot of the tests I took back in high school if I had to re-take them today without reviewing the material beforehand. I certainly wouldn’t be able to pass any arithmetic test that required me to be familiar with such arcane measurements as “rods” and “bushels,” but I can still calculate areas and volumes just fine, thank you.

Ah, but this is high school (or even eighth grade) stuff, people say — it’s basic knowledge that everyone should remember and use. Nonsense. The questions on this exam don’t reflect only items of “basic knowledge” — many of the questions require the test-taker to have absorbed some very specialized information, and if today’s students can’t regurgitate all the same facts as their 1895 counterparts, it’s because the types of knowledge we consider to be important have changed a great deal in the last century, not necessarily because today’s students have sub-standard educations.

Consider: To pass this test, no knowledge of the arts is necessary (not even a nodding familiarity with a few of the greatest works of English literature), no demonstration of mathematical learning other than plain arithmetic is required (forget algebra, geometry, or trigonometry), nothing beyond a familiarity with the highlights of American history is needed (never mind the fundamentals of world history, as this exam scarcely acknowledges that any country other than the USA even exists), no questions about the history, structure, or function of the United States government are asked (not even the standard “Name the three branches of our federal government”), science is given a pass except for a few questions about geography and the rudiments of human anatomy, and no competence in any foreign language (living or dead) is necessary. An exam for today’s high school graduates that omitted even one of these subjects would be loudly condemned by parents and educators alike, subjects about which the Salina, Kansas, students of 1895 needed know nothing at all. Would it be fair to say that the average Salina student was woefully undereducated because he failed to learn many of the things that we consider important today, but which were of little importance in his time and place? If not, then why do people keep asserting that the reverse is true? Why do journalists continue to base their gleeful articles about how much more was expected of the students of yesteryear on flawed assumptions? Perhaps some people are too intent upon making a point to bother considering the proper questions.

 

Basically, as a high school teacher, why so many in my profession feel beaten up and like the example above don't encourage our offspring to join this worthy field.

My thanks to you. To teach is a great gift to our society. And many a time it is a selfless act. My wife is a special ed teacher but recently decided to quit. It was not the students that caused that. It was the parents and the administration. Unrealistic rules and expectations.

PackerPatrick posted:
YATittle posted:

From the link: 

What nearly all these pundits fail to grasp is “I can’t answer these questions” is not the same thing as “These questions demonstrate that students in earlier days were better educated than today’s students.” Just about any test looks difficult to those who haven’t recently been steeped in the material it covers. If a 40-year-old can’t score as well

on a geography test as a high school student who just spent several weeks memorizing the names of all the rivers in South America in preparation for an exam, that doesn’t mean the 40-year-old’s education was woefully deficient — it means the he simply didn’t retain information for which he had no use, no matter how thoroughly it was drilled into his brain through rote memory some twenty-odd years earlier. I suspect I’d fail a lot of the tests I took back in high school if I had to re-take them today without reviewing the material beforehand. I certainly wouldn’t be able to pass any arithmetic test that required me to be familiar with such arcane measurements as “rods” and “bushels,” but I can still calculate areas and volumes just fine, thank you.

Ah, but this is high school (or even eighth grade) stuff, people say — it’s basic knowledge that everyone should remember and use. Nonsense. The questions on this exam don’t reflect only items of “basic knowledge” — many of the questions require the test-taker to have absorbed some very specialized information, and if today’s students can’t regurgitate all the same facts as their 1895 counterparts, it’s because the types of knowledge we consider to be important have changed a great deal in the last century, not necessarily because today’s students have sub-standard educations.

Consider: To pass this test, no knowledge of the arts is necessary (not even a nodding familiarity with a few of the greatest works of English literature), no demonstration of mathematical learning other than plain arithmetic is required (forget algebra, geometry, or trigonometry), nothing beyond a familiarity with the highlights of American history is needed (never mind the fundamentals of world history, as this exam scarcely acknowledges that any country other than the USA even exists), no questions about the history, structure, or function of the United States government are asked (not even the standard “Name the three branches of our federal government”), science is given a pass except for a few questions about geography and the rudiments of human anatomy, and no competence in any foreign language (living or dead) is necessary. An exam for today’s high school graduates that omitted even one of these subjects would be loudly condemned by parents and educators alike, subjects about which the Salina, Kansas, students of 1895 needed know nothing at all. Would it be fair to say that the average Salina student was woefully undereducated because he failed to learn many of the things that we consider important today, but which were of little importance in his time and place? If not, then why do people keep asserting that the reverse is true? Why do journalists continue to base their gleeful articles about how much more was expected of the students of yesteryear on flawed assumptions? Perhaps some people are too intent upon making a point to bother considering the proper questions.

 

Basically, as a high school teacher, why so many in my profession feel beaten up and like the example above don't encourage our offspring to join this worthy field.

My thanks to you. To teach is a great gift to our society. And many a time it is a selfless act. My wife is a special ed teacher but recently decided to quit. It was not the students that caused that. It was the parents and the administration. Unrealistic rules and expectations.

Sad to hear that. We need more special ed teachers. My brother in law did that. Talk about selfless acts.

PackerPatrick posted:
My wife is a special ed teacher but recently decided to quit. 

Had my son's IEP meeting today.  I acknowledge he is not easy to educate, in fact 50 years ago he would not be welcomed in a school.  We are blessed to have a team of folks that want him to do well.  My daughter is in TAG, our experience on that end is no different.  My wife also spent the weekend making weighted blankets for kids, free of charge, in the school.  We are pretty ****ing lucky to have losers like this in our midst.  

Also school choice is just a new code for legalized discrimination.  

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Floridarob posted:

Education will always win. Education is absolutely everything. 

Until they get to college. Then it goes to hell....

I hear this all the time.  I wonder if there is any truth to it?

-Among all students, 48 percent viewed liberals more favorably in their second year of college than when they arrived on campus.-

Exactly what we would have expected, college turns good kids into liberal commies.  College truly is the problem.  I may as well stop reading here, nothing else to see.  

-However, among the same students, 50 percent also viewed conservatives more favorably.-

Wait, what?  This can't be.  This is exactly why learning to read needs to be discouraged outside of men and the wealthy, it can only lead to problems like this.  

-In other words, college attendance is associated, on average, with gains in appreciating political viewpoints across the spectrum, not just favoring liberals.-

Poppycock.  I will continue to believe the narrative I want to believe.  I am now going to go get unvaccinated.  

YATittle posted:

 Basically, as a high school teacher, why so many in my profession feel beaten up and like the example above don't encourage our offspring to join this worthy field.

Yup.  It's the "family business", but it will probably end with me.  Dad taught high school and me middle school.  In the neighborhood of 60 years between us.  Time with the kids is still rewarding.  Adults, including those who know nothing about the profession but still offer their "opinions", not so much...

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CoPackFan posted:
YATittle posted:

 Basically, as a high school teacher, why so many in my profession feel beaten up and like the example above don't encourage our offspring to join this worthy field.

Yup.  It's the "family business", but it will probably end with me.  Dad taught high school and me middle school.  In the neighborhood of 60 years between us.  Time with the kids is still rewarding.  Adults, including those who know nothing about the profession but still offer their opinion, not so much...

Thanks for your service.....my daughter is just starting out in the profession and I hope things improve.   Hope for her and the kids.

Florio is a douche but here is his take: Settlement may be smaller than we think and it may not settle anything.

excerpt:

First, the fact that Kaepernick may continue to seek employment with the NFL — and that he could, if denied employment, file a fresh claim for retaliation arising from his settled collusion grievance — suggests that the payment wasn’t a massive one...

...Third, to the extent that the 1/32nd share of the settlement will be reflected in an eventual financial report of the Green Bay Packers, it’s believed that the impact of the payment will be immaterial to the broader figures reflected in the document...

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/k...icant-105508097.html

Been in the high school classroom as a teacher for about 20 years now, and the thrill of seeing that light bulb go off in a kid's face never gets old. What worries me are, yes, the unrealistic expectations put on teachers by parents, administration, and even students, and other rising society issues.

The demands on teachers to educate every student to hit every benchmark that government keeps raising is unrealistic. Someone said it this way: Imagine yourself going through seven hours of professional development every day for five days a week... that's what we ask kids to do in school. Would you be successful in all of the topics? We expect that of every kid, and it's the teachers' fault if a kid fails. And what do we realize as we get older? "I was never any good at _________ because it's just never made sense to me, and so I became a(n) _________________." We realize that we can't always be good at everything, that we're all wired differently. Yet so many people think every kid should understand and ace every subject. (Please, I know there are rotten teachers out there, but not nearly as many as you might think.) 

Second, teachers and schools are being undermined by outsiders who have their own agendas. School choice: a great sounding idea, but schools in poorer neighborhoods suffer greatest as students with the means leave for other districts, taking the $$$ from the state with them. It's tough, for example, to learn tech skills when computers are nonfunctional and/or nonexistent due to budget issues. And a tax break to go to a private school? The rich get richer, and private schools are not required to take everyone (for example, special ed kids). In MN we have school choice. But many parents send a kid here one year, then another school the next year, and a third halfway through that year, etc., and then complain that none seemed to "get" their kid and the teachers were all (!) rotten.

Perhaps the greatest threat to education today is society's view of education. In El Paso on Feb. 11, Donald Trump Jr. told rally-goers: “You know what I love? I love seeing some young conservatives because I know it’s not easy. Keep up that fight. Bring it to your schools. You don’t have to be indoctrinated by these loser teachers that are trying to sell you on socialism from birth. You don’t have to do it. Because you can think for yourselves. They can’t.” What does every dictator/autocrat do after taking power? Gotten rid of the university professors, teachers, educators, and books that teach kids to think for themselves. 

The U.S. Department of Education (via WaPo) says teacher shortages are in: mathematics (47 states), special education (46 states), science (43 states), world languages (40 states), career and technical education (32 states), teachers of English learners (32 states), art, music, and dance (28 states), and English (27 states). Those shortages represent a whole lotta kids getting crammed into fewer classrooms and not getting the education they deserve.

Sorry for the lengthy rant, but this "loser teacher" is tired of being made to feel like a loser even as her former students go on to become successful members of society. The only indoctrination I try to instill in my students is that the best NFL team is the Packers!  

Fandame.........    .

My mother was a teacher, my father had 2 sisters who were teachers.  My mother also had 2 sisters who were teachers.  My sister was a high school math teacher and her daughter is a teacher.  And I did a 3 year term on the local school board.  Education runs in our family as I'm sure it does in many others. 

It’s just my take and some will disagree. If you want better students in the public school systems then you need three things. One, involved parents. Two, you hire, pay and promote the best teachers. Three, you don’t shackle them with useless regulations.

Education in this country has been hijacked by the social justice/occupy/intersectionality movement. It is the secular religion of the new left. 

If you don’t think that, there’s a reason... in an echo chamber, it’s hard to hear a dissenting voice. 

All of you that are teachers:
I'm interested to hear your general thoughts about school boards, and whether they hinder teachers and/or students or positively promote a healthy learning environment.
In my area (NE Atlanta metro), boards seem to operate much like our Congress; the Superintendent makes an obscene salary and receives a benefit package that should be criminal, and has other benefits not available to teachers.
The other board positions are very similar; they just operate on a smaller scale.
In spite of all that, students seem to thrive and the schools, teachers, and principals are well-respected. And new schools are constantly being built.

Some teachers do have an agenda.  No different than any other place of employment. 

Why people feel the need to demonize or downgrade them I have no idea.   

I think some just like to point fingers and blame others.  It’s easy to do and social media has taken it to another level. 

Music City posted:

Education in this country has been hijacked by the social justice/occupy/intersectionality movement. It is the secular religion of the new left. 

If you don’t think that, there’s a reason... in an echo chamber, it’s hard to hear a dissenting voice. 

Maybe you should open the door and let some air in then. 

Music City posted:

Education in this country has been hijacked by the social justice/occupy/intersectionality movement. It is the secular religion of the new left. 

If you don’t think that, there’s a reason... in an echo chamber, it’s hard to hear a dissenting voice. 

Nonsense. It depends on where you live. I'm in a city to the right of Texas. Most of the teachers are Republicans. We have a union but we take what they give us. We do have unisex bathrooms available aside the male and female bathrooms. I guess that's part of what you say. 

CoPackFan posted:
YATittle posted:

 Basically, as a high school teacher, why so many in my profession feel beaten up and like the example above don't encourage our offspring to join this worthy field.

Yup.  It's the "family business", but it will probably end with me.  Dad taught high school and me middle school.  In the neighborhood of 60 years between us.  Time with the kids is still rewarding.  Adults, including those who know nothing about the profession but still offer their "opinions", not so much...

My wife has been an elementary school teacher for 30 years and she says the same thing that the kids usually aren't the issue it is the parents and the beaucracy from the district and the state that wears them out.  Before I met her I was just like everyone else saying "what are they complaining about with 2 months off in the summer, getting snow days, etc." I know better now with all of the extra things they have on a daily basis.  

As for Kaepernick I don't think what he did was heroic in any way.  To me a hero is the cop or fireman who goes in to harms way to save us.   But, that being said I don't agree with what he did but I support him being able to do so. 

Anyhow,  what kind of baffles me is that how does he get a settlement out of this?  I remember hearing that the Ravens are working on a contract for him but his girlfriend at the same time is tweeting out that the Ravens management was like the characters in django unchained. 

Music City posted:

Education in this country has been hijacked by the social justice/occupy/intersectionality movement. It is the secular religion of the new left. 

If you don’t think that, there’s a reason... in an echo chamber, it’s hard to hear a dissenting voice. 

Education in this country has been hijacked by the conservative/school choice/nationalist movement.  It is the old secular religion of the right.

If you don't think there's a reason.... in an echo chamber, it's hard to hear a dissenting voice.

See, change a few words and it works both ways.

I hate absolute statements.

like this

Teachers have my ultimate respect. My daughter teaches high school. Last week in the middle of class, seven fully armed sheriffs and police officers and dogs unnnounced entered her class looking for some one with drugs and weapons. That is enough to make one quit. 

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Tschmack posted:

Some teachers do have an agenda.  No different than any other place of employment. 

Why people feel the need to demonize or downgrade them I have no idea.   

I think some just like to point fingers and blame others.  It’s easy to do and social media has taken it to another level. 

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