Leroy Butler, HOF Finalist

@Fandame posted:

The HOF is getting pretty watered down; this year there are a couple I question as well. It seems like voters are in many ways choosing guys who got ink rather than who earned it with blood, sweat, and tears. It lost some of its meaning when they voted in Terrell Davis in the class of 2017. I wasn't a huge fan of Warner either; I thought he was borderline. Since then, I've felt "meh." I do like reading the bios of the historical guys and guys who played decades and decades ago...

Writers are by any objective wordsmiths. Very few of them have evolved into thinkers. And sportswriters are a particularly lazy bunch who will do the barest minimum in the way of research. Football players are even worse. These are the bulk of the voters.

Take the name literally. It is called the Hall of Fame and Leroy was never famous because he played with Reggie and Brett and never got on TV.

Agree GL.  Lynch was a household name around the NFL when he was playing.  He just got a lot of publicity.  Same goes for Mike Alstott... and I always thought he couldn't carry William Henderson's dirty jockstrap.  

I’ll never understand how Kurt Warner is in the Hall. Bert Jones was twice the QB.

Lynch got in I believe also because the Bucs don't have many in the HOF and guys like Butler and Tim McDonald (who has better stats and more Pro Bowls than Butler) are not in...Packers and 49ers have a bunch of HOF.

If you are someone that hasn't played in a decade plus, you have to have a vocal media advocate to get you noticed. Took over a decade for Jerry Kramer's daughter to get him noticed enough by enough voters to get him in. And she was relentless about it...total grassroots effort.

@Blair Kiel posted:

Shit. I thought me being white is what has kept me out of the Hall of Fame.

It’s keeping you off commercials

Sterling Sharpe still needs to get in. If those clowns put in Boselli (after doing it with Terrell Davis), then they’re demonstrating once again that length of career doesn’t really count that much. Still arguably a top ten all time WR.

On Lynch and Alstott, let’s face it if either weren’t getting constant love from John Madden then they wouldn’t have gotten Pro Bowl slots and HoF mentions. If Nate Newton hadn’t been such a coke head then Madden-love probably would’ve got him in too.

@MichiganPacker2 posted:

He probably has one (an argument for Lynch) but it's probably one of two things (or both). He's not going to readily admit to either one.

1. Lynch has given him some inside scoops on personnel matters after he became the Niners GM.

2. The classy Tony Dungy advocates strongly for Lynch, and King and Dungy spent a lot of time together on football pregame shows the last few years.

Lynch made 9 Pro Bowls to Butler's 4, but Butler had more interceptions, sacks, made more All-Pro teams, was 1st team all decade in 90s (Lynch was 2nd team in the 2000s), and was the key person in one of the most iconic plays in NFL history (Lambeau Leap).

Just like the only thing he has on Butler (Pro Bowls), it's a popularity contest.

More All-Pro teams? Telling!

@ChilliJon posted:

I’ll never understand how Kurt Warner is in the Hall. Bert Jones was twice the QB.

Warner had such a weird career. He didn't play until he was 28 years old and then had three great years. 98 TD passes and the Rams had a 35-8 record. Two Super Bowls, one ring, and a great narrative.

Then, 5 terrible years after he had shell shock from the Martz system (which spread the field at the expense of protecting the QB).

The teams he started for went 5-23 and he had 27 TDs against 30 interceptions in those 28 games.

Then, 3 strong years with the Cards getting them to the Super Bowl. 93 TDs.

Basically, the voters just ignored those middle 5 years of his career.

@Blair Kiel posted:

Shit. I thought me being white is what has kept me out of the Hall of Fame.

You are white? I thought you were Sicilian.

@ilcuqui posted:

Sterling Sharpe still needs to get in. If those clowns put in Boselli (after doing it with Terrell Davis), then they’re demonstrating once again that length of career doesn’t really count that much. Still arguably a top ten all time WR.

On Lynch and Alstott, let’s face it if either weren’t getting constant love from John Madden then they wouldn’t have gotten Pro Bowl slots and HoF mentions. If Nate Newton hadn’t been such a coke head then Madden-love probably would’ve got him in too.

Alstott was more because of Chris Berman's ESPN highlight shows, but he did score 71 TDs.

@Pakrz posted:

Agree GL.  Lynch was a household name around the NFL when he was playing.  He just got a lot of publicity.  Same goes for Mike Alstott... and I always thought he couldn't carry William Henderson's dirty jockstrap.  

Mike Alstott was no fullback. He was an average RB but an elite short yardage back. We shouldn’t put guys in the HOF for that.

Bo Jackson should be in the Hall. Best RB the NFL has ever seen. Yes. I went there again.

Jerry Rice thought Sterling was great.

@Goalline posted:

You are white? I thought you were Sicilian.

I'm tricky cause I can fit in with the man who keeps me down and they don't know it.

White devils all of them.

@Goalline posted:

Mike Alstott was no fullback. He was an average RB but an elite short yardage back. We shouldn’t put guys in the HOF for that.

Agreed.

Compare these two RBs. They were almost exactly the same size (6'1, 250). Both guys played college football in the Big 10 and were 2nd round picks.

Player A. 11 seasons. 5088 yards rushing, 3.7 yards/carry, 58 rushing TDs, 305 receptions, 7.5 yards/reception, 13 receiving TDS. 71 total TDs. Played in one Super Bowl (team won)

Player B.  8 seasons. 5626 yards rushing, 3.8 yards/carry, 76 rushing TDs, 175 receptions, 7.6 yards/reception, 6 receiving TDs. 82 total TDs. Team lost one Super Bowl

Player B had more yardage, rushing TDs, and total TDs in 3 fewer seasons.

Alstott is Player A. Pete Johnson of the Bengals (1977-84) is Player B.

When was the last time anyone mentioned Pete Johnson as a Hall of Famer? Alstott just has good PR.

@Blair Kiel posted:

I'm tricky cause I can fit in with the man who keeps me down and they don't know it.

White devils all of them.

Wizardry.

Tonight's the night.

Let’s hope he gets good news. He is more deserving than John Lynch

I met Leroy at Lambeau this past November when there for the Rams game. Leroy wants it bad and he deserves it. His story of how he became a great football player is inspiring enough to probably be a movie. Here is hoping he gets the call.

He’s in!!!!!

Welp! pic.twitter.com/STYaBwcXAR

— leroy butler (@leap36) February 11, 2022

YES!!!

Woo hoo. Leroy. 

Sweeet leap! Congrats 36!

Ring of Honor, baby!

@ilcuqui posted:

He’s in!!!!!

Welp! pic.twitter.com/STYaBwcXAR

— leroy butler (@leap36) February 11, 2022

That was from the future?

In the last 11 years, I have 3 favorite Packer-related moments.

1. Beating Dallas in GB in the 2014 playoffs.

2. Beating Dallas in Dallas in the 2016 playoffs.

3. Leroy Butler getting into the Hall of Fame on February 10, 2022.

A criminally undervalued member of the Pack's great teams of the 90s.

Well deserved honor.

Outstanding! About time!

@ChilliJon posted:

How in the absolute living fuck is Steve Atwater a Hall of Fame member before Leroy Butler?

To be fair, what Steve Atwater lacked in coverage skills he made up in name recognition.

He had the one hit against Okoye that makes the rounds on all the highlight list videos but he was pretty much a faster Chuck Cecil.

Best news of the week. Let’s go, Leroy. Finally, a Hall of Fame speech I intend to watch.

The Butler (finally) Did It!!!

Smokin’

Congratulations LeRoy, well deserved!

I love it when the good guys win.

@Henry posted:

Leroy Butler says on @1250AMTheFan that Charles Woodson knocked on his door recently with the gold jacket and that's how he found out he was about to be named a Pro Football Hall of Famer

— Bart Winkler (@WinksThinks) February 11, 2022

I didn't hear this news last night that is absolutely phucking outstanding!

Congrats LeRoy so well deserved!!

As thrilled as I was when Jerry Kramer got the call

https://www.packers.com/news/l...ootball-hall-of-fame

36 is one of my all time favorites

Well deserved for a guy that accomplished so much yet had to wait for his name to be called

@michiganjoe posted:

Leroy Butler says on @1250AMTheFan that Charles Woodson knocked on his door recently with the gold jacket and that's how he found out he was about to be named a Pro Football Hall of Famer

— Bart Winkler (@WinksThinks) February 11, 2022

I would pay a non-insignificant amount of money to see the video of this.