@Pakrz posted:Lazard is a legit WR. Wasn't he cut at least once in GB?
Jags and Packers both cut him and signed him to their PS after training camp in 2018 and 2019. Packers brought him back up to the 53 man roster a week after putting him on the PS.
@mrtundra posted:Aren't the Packers undefeated when Davante was injured and on the sidelines? Someone stepped up to cover for him. Tonyan was that guy. Lazard was that guy. MVS was that guy, but mostly for his blocking, and not his receiving, when Davante was out. Jones and Williams led the team with their running and receiving skills. I think we do need a stud WR to complement Davante. Give us Davante, The Stud WR, Lazard and our RBs and our offense could be almost unstoppable.
This is the caveat of the entire discussion. When Adams has been out, the gameplan must shift, and it's safe to assume that MLF emphasizes spreading the ball around to role guys. They have a good amount of flexibility when healthy on offense other than Adams. They can use Jones and Williams in ways that create opportunities. And the TEs have begun to make a difference in the passing game, which might be the single biggest difference from a year ago. This will work against a majority of opponents, because they have the personnel and vet experience to adjust. And personally, it's been some of the best offensive football I've seen from this team in years.
The problem in all of the losses in the last two years has been when inordinate pressure is placed upon the O to match teams blow for blow. Minus Adams, when they get a lead, MLF can be creative and find ways to get the ball to the Marcedes and Sternbergers and Irvins. It's only once a team punches them in the mouth that the offense MUST produce on every possession. And even the best run offense has drives that don't pan out. And in nearly every case, it has snowballed, because guys who are still unreliable are expected to execute at a higher level while playing from behind. It creates a perfect storm for young players to F up. And once the mistakes and penalties creep in, it all falls apart.
I think this dilemma is complementary. A d-line that got tougher on stopping the run could potentially allow the offense to operate without a strong #2 WR. But without a #2, when pressed in big games, close games, the offense regresses in the face of adversity. They have proven they can execute longer, more methodical drives, but it will never be 100% success, as we witnessed vs Minnesota. AR and his unit watched a long drive to end the half, and a long drive to start the 3rd qtr. There was no way they'd go back on the field and just summon the same rhythm they had to start the game. Bolster the d line and you might be able to hang with the Tampa's, Saints, Seahwaks, Niners this year.
Yeah he’s legit. I mean, sort of? Maybe?
But I was asked the question and still no one has responded. Better than Metcalf? Ridley? Jefferson? Cooks or Hardman? Any of the 3 Pittsburgh guys? We say he’s a legit 2? Possibly. But Fuller is. He might be a 1. That’s the guy I wanted for a 2nd rounder.
I think they would have given a 2nd rounder if they could have had him for more than 7 games.
I'm biased. I've liked Lazard since the 4th quarter of the loins game last year. And I think he's gotten better and better.
And I agree we have to make some trades, especially the D front 7. Stock piling draft picks when we suck at drafting makes trading them for young proven D players seem much more logical.
Lazard is a different player than Ridley, Jefferson, Hardman, Cooks, Hardman, etc. They play roughly the same position, but they all have wildly different skill sets. We have a better version of Ridley/Jefferson/Watkins/etc. in Adams. Would I rather have Lazard over Metcalf? Metcalf is certainly a better athlete and has been featured more, but Metcalf being better at things doesn’t diminish Lazard’s ability or his value. Metcalf is on pace for a fantastic season, but Lazard was on pace for 70 catches, 1350 yards and 10 TD himself. I mean I’ll take that every day even compared to other talented WRs in the league.
Those numbers seem like solid #2 WR numbers, don't they? A real shame he got hurt. Does anyone know how or the play where he got hurt?
I think I read he did it while diving into the EZ?
If I can find the article again, I'll post it here.
It was one of the links to articles about him in this thread, if memory serves.
Thank you Timmy! I did all kinds of searches. All I could find was it was against NO (6 receptions for 146 yards) where MLF praised him for his toughness. I couldn't even find out what quarter it happened.
Honestly, anyone that is still hung up on accepting that Lazard is a #2 NFL WR is focused 100% on his 40 time. That's literally the only thing you can look at and say "no, I don't like that".
He has everything else you want out of a WR.
Anyone watching the Pack with those unsuccessful 3rd and 3 and then 4th and 4 plays ... in the 3rd Q ... against the 1-7 Jags and thinks this WR group is OK is seeing something in the group that is not there.
It's not OK. Until Lazard returns.
Maybe just maybe MVS is starting to click. Best game of his career today IMO.
Still mediocre at best but Lazard returns and if this is the next step for MVS it is better than average.
MVS is up and down and will probably always be. That's his brand at this point.
It will help MVS to be bumped down to the #3 WR but the balls he catches are still juggled half the time. It's just not natural for him.
Weird for an NFL WR, no?
I think hope the return of Lazard next week jump starts the offense again. We will need it down the stretch.
Were there any other WRs even targeted today?
@LarseeBear posted:Thank you Timmy! I did all kinds of searches. All I could find was it was against NO (6 receptions for 146 yards) where MLF praised him for his toughness. I couldn't even find out what quarter it happened.
Yeah, now that I said that, I'll be damned if I can find it.
It apparently was NOT a link in this thread; I've looked through the others, but still haven't found it.
I'm certain it wasn't a tweet from any of the usual ones quoted. I didn't see anything on Packers.com, Packer Wire, and other sources. Searching with the text I thought I remembered doesn't lead me anywhere.
I'll still try to find it, but it'll take longer than I anticipated.
@DH13 posted:Were there any other WRs even targeted today?
I know Malik Tayor was targeted once. Honestly can't think of another that wasn't Adams or MVS.
So now his catches don't count if he adjusts his grip on the catch?
On a 78 yard TD bomb no less.
Wow people. Really hope the players don't read this crap.
So the record is clear, MVS was clutch today and probably won for the game for them.
@Pakrz posted:Weird for an NFL WR, no?
I think hope the return of Lazard next week jump starts the offense again. We will need it down the stretch.
Me too. This team has 3 NFL caliber WRs on it. 1 Superstar who had a rough day today, 1 solid up and comer in Lazard if he's out there and healthy, 1 talented but inconsistent player in MVS, and the rest are a bunch of guys who probably should be playing in the XFL or an Arena League or something like that.
Maybe I'm making Lazard into something he's not, but he was really playing some good football before he went down. He looked like he was developing into a solid #2, let's hope that continues when he gets back. He has been missed BADLY. That all said, the back end of the WR corps is ridiculously undertalented. Nothing personal against those guys but I really don't think EQ, Taylor, and Shepherd are anything more than marginal NFL WRs. At least 1 of those guys needs to be upgraded on at some point to help the WR depth.
@Pistol GB posted:So now his catches don't count if he adjusts his grip on the catch?
Your finger on the zeitgeist is amazing
@"We"-Ka-Bong posted:Your finger on the zeitgeist is amazing
Guess I should have quoted the post I was referring to:
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It will help MVS to be bumped down to the #3 WR but the balls he catches are still juggled half the time. It's just not natural for him.
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The TD bomb was the only play that could have been called a "juggle." It really wasn't as the catch was never in doubt. Posters nitpicking over it in the game thread too.
Just saying. Throw the man some kudos when he earns it. MLF probably giving him the game ball and we're over here discounting style points and shit.
MVS reminds me of Willie Gault.
@fightphoe93 posted:Me too. This team has 3 NFL caliber WRs on it. 1 Superstar who had a rough day today, 1 solid up and comer in Lazard if he's out there and healthy, 1 talented but inconsistent player in MVS, and the rest are a bunch of guys who probably should be playing in the XFL or an Arena League or something like that.
Maybe I'm making Lazard into something he's not, but he was really playing some good football before he went down. He looked like he was developing into a solid #2, let's hope that continues when he gets back. He has been missed BADLY. That all said, the back end of the WR corps is ridiculously undertalented. Nothing personal against those guys but I really don't think EQ, Taylor, and Shepherd are anything more than marginal NFL WRs. At least 1 of those guys needs to be upgraded on at some point to help the WR depth.
They were planning on Funchess. He's not a real #2, but he's another NFL caliber WR. If you have Adams, Lazard, and Funchess with MVS as your home run threat, that's not terrible. ESB, Taylor, and Shepherd are a 6th round pick and UDFAs. It would be surprising if they were NFL caliber WRs. The fact they got Lazard as a street free agent was great. Their WRs group lacks depth, but what really makes it seem worse is that their TE group is weak as well. Tonyan is fine, but Sternberger was supposed to be a starting-caliber TE and he's been a bust at this point. If Sternberger was what he should be as a 3rd round TE, it would help the WR depth look better as well.
@Pistol GB posted:Guess I should have quoted the post I was referring to:
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It will help MVS to be bumped down to the #3 WR but the balls he catches are still juggled half the time. It's just not natural for him.
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The TD bomb was the only play that could have been called a "juggle." It really wasn't as the catch was never in doubt. Posters nitpicking over it in the game thread too.
Just saying. Throw the man some kudos when he earns it. MLF probably giving him the game ball and we're over here discounting style points and shit.
I threw him all kinds of kudos in the game thread. But the guy fights the ball way too much for an NFL WR. He looks like a RB out there the way he tracks the ball and catches with his body. I'm not calling for the guy to be cut but he is what he is at this point. #3 is the ceiling.
MVS had a good game! Where was he in the previous weeks?
He'd be a world class WR if he was consistent. He is not.
Keep hoping and wishing.
Oh FFS. He was the only receiver to show up in the NFC Championship and hasn't had a drop all year.
Just once, admit you were wrong. Just once.
Would that really end the world?
Try it.
Pussy.
| REC | TGTS | YDS | AVG | TD | LNG | FD | ATT | YDS | AVG | TD | LNG | FUM | LST |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 20 | 44 | 329 | 16.5 | 2 | 75 | 12 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
@Pistol GB posted:Pussy.
Why do you make it so easy to kick you in the face?
Did you want to time travel back to 2015 with Ruprecht? I'm sure he's got plenty of booze to share.
I think it's funny that you got curb stomped so thoroughly that you would dig up a thread from over a year ago for failed revenge.
That is some champion butthurt. No doubt fueled by your shame.
And he pusses out.
None of those graded out as drops.
Jesus predictable christ;: Here's the "best" poster on x4: MVS sucks, Lazard sucks, they all suck.
Top seed in the NFC sucks.
Stick to bitching about management. Or STFU. Going to call people out then own it.
You're calling me the best poster on x4? That's . . . creepy. I didn't know you cared in a creepy stalker kind of way.
Outside of Adams, all of them are still bit players. There is no legit #2 on this team. Nothing wrong with that when you've got Rodgers. No other WR performs week in and week out like a legit #2.
It's just a fact.
Not sure why you're tacking on me disagreeing with being NFC top seed other than another delusion to help soothe your white hot ass chap.
It's okay to be sad without drowning in a bottle.
Just looking at that "#1 rank" thing.
Good call, what was I thinking? You seriously don't know shit and never did.
Okay Creepy.
