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The formula for slowing down Elliot isn't really that complex either, it's just playing smart and disciplined football. They struggled to run up the middle against GB, 20 runs for 65 yards (3.25 ypc). but on the edge they made hay with 10 runs for 94 yards (9.4 ypc). Give Elliot the tiniest crease and he will blow it wide open. We need disciplined football from Peppers, Matthews, and Perry to set the edge and ILBs to stay clean and fill gaps. If everyone is healthy I wouldn't be surprised to see the Packers go with a more traditional 4-3 look on D with all 3 ILBs on the field at the same time. 

Grave Digger posted:

The formula for slowing down Elliot isn't really that complex either, it's just playing smart and disciplined football. They struggled to run up the middle against GB, 20 runs for 65 yards (3.25 ypc). but on the edge they made hay with 10 runs for 94 yards (9.4 ypc). Give Elliot the tiniest crease and he will blow it wide open. We need disciplined football from Peppers, Matthews, and Perry to set the edge and ILBs to stay clean and fill gaps. If everyone is healthy I wouldn't be surprised to see the Packers go with a more traditional 4-3 look on D with all 3 ILBs on the field at the same time. 

I think they do more 4-3 than we realize with Pep and Jones hands on the ground 

Grave Digger posted:

The formula for slowing down Elliot isn't really that complex either, it's just playing smart and disciplined football. They struggled to run up the middle against GB, 20 runs for 65 yards (3.25 ypc). but on the edge they made hay with 10 runs for 94 yards (9.4 ypc). Give Elliot the tiniest crease and he will blow it wide open. We need disciplined football from Peppers, Matthews, and Perry to set the edge and ILBs to stay clean and fill gaps. If everyone is healthy I wouldn't be surprised to see the Packers go with a more traditional 4-3 look on D with all 3 ILBs on the field at the same time. 

Looking back at the gamebook from the first game we started;

Perry & Peppers at OLBer

Clark, Daniels, & Guion on the interior

Matthews at ILBer

Gunter, Randall, Hyde, Burnett, & Dix at DB

  I have no idea how long we went with this alignment since the Cowboys drove 75 yards in 8 plays to score a TD on their first possession. 

 

 

El-Ka-Bong posted:

Tell me more about this "smart and disciplined football."  

Is this in the playbook?  Is there a "S&D" version of each call and a "CWIHCO" version of the same play?  I'm no defensive guru, but I think we should just start calling the CWITCO plays way less.  

Dom tucked away the S&D plays in his toupee for a rainy day. 

CUPackFan posted:

I don't feel as confident about this game as I did the Giants.  I'm not worried about the Packers offense.  They dominated a very very good Giants defense and will do the same to a pretty weak Cowboys defense.  

I agree that the Packer offense has been rolling, but am not sure where this "pretty weak Cowboy defense" is coming from.

Defensive Rankings:

Points : Dallas (5th) , for reference Green Bay (21st)

Rush : Dallas(1st), Green Bay (8th)

Pass : Dallas(26th), Green Bay (31st)

Cowboys have the 5th rated defense overall. Weak in pass defense, yes, but underrated and certainly not weak overall.

The good news is that the Packer offense just dominated the #2 ranked defense. During thier "Run the Table" streak, the Pack has beaten the #2, 3, 6, 11, 12, and 13th ranked defenses.  In those games they are averaging 32 points per game. 

So the Packer offense needs to beat another good defense. One the other side, Dom needs to pull one out of his ass. 

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sheesh, no faith much?  the degree of separation in the remaining 4 NFC teams can be seen here:

4 TOs in the first game and we lost by 14 pts. 

I will quote the Singing Lambonis at this time from their fine song "Kick Yer Ass":
Kick yer ass, kick yer ass, the Green Bay Packers gonna kick yer ass
No matter if you try to run, no matter if you pass
The Green Bay Packers gonna kick yer ass!

Hungry5 posted:

Limit the explosive plays. Elliott had runs of 11, 14, 25, 12, & 29. He also had his share of 0 and negative runs. Like any great RB, contain them, keep them from the big run.

That's a good plan but the problem is that for the last few games we have gone light in the box because we have needed to go zone. By necessity we have used LB's and Safety's to help our depleted cornerbacks from being gashed. Dallas is now almost full strength and we are not.

Boris posted:

Packers need to jump on them early. Like a 3 TD lead. It'll totally negate their running game.

We'll see what Dallas defense has in store for Rodgers.

I like that plan. However, we have not started out hot very much in the past. MM has often made some good adjustments and then we surge later in the game. I hope you are right.

Right now I see Dallas controlling the clock.

I still think the killer from game 1 was the poor use of timeouts to end the first half.  There was no issue going into halftime down 10-6 and getting the ball to start the half.  Dallas seemed content to let the clock run out and they were out of timeouts.  The first timeout was bad enough, but when McCarthy called the 2nd timeout it was 3rd and 1, it wasn't like it was 3rd and 11.  Then they had the long run and a couple plays later it was 17-6.    

Hungry5 posted:

Limit the explosive plays. Elliott had runs of 11, 14, 25, 12, & 29. He also had his share of 0 and negative runs. Like any great RB, contain them, keep them from the big run.

Agreed. I think you have to play Elliott like they did Adrian Peterson. If Dak Prescott beats you, so be it. Match up Burnett on Witten, Hyde on Cole Beasley, and treat Dez like Odell Beckham by rolling help to him.

If Burnett and Hyde play to a draw in their matchups, we probably win. But to stop Elliott and Dez, you have to give up helping a guy somewhere else, and it will be the TE and slot receiver.

Cole Beasley abused Rollins in the earlier game. Rollins has a nasty habit of letting receivers get their hands on him near the line and letting them redirect him. He needs to learn to be the aggressor if he's going to play press. 

Hyde isnt shy about contact. He's a better option this weekend for Cole. 

EDIT!!!!! My bad. I meant Gunter. Not wrong about Rollins and being physical. But it was Gunter that Beasley abused in GB. This can't happen Sunday. 

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McCarthy presser today.



McCarthy then added... 10-1 when we score 1st in 2016... and 25-6 when score 1st over the past few years





Actually in Sep, but they've been aware since it happened.

What we don't know with still pics, and I admit I've used pics like this to question WTF? on some plays, but we don't know the defense called or the progression dictated by the play called. Plus, it all happens in the blink of an eye. Except when they call the 9-second pass play.

packerboi posted:

Worth noting...

Jared Cook was open A LOT against the Giants, even while Rodgers struggled early. 89 is a big X-factor again vs. Cowboys.

Hungry5 posted:

What we don't know with still pics, and I admit I've used pics like this to question WTF? on some plays, but we don't know the defense called or the progression dictated by the play called. Plus, it all happens in the blink of an eye. Except when they call the 9-second pass play.

Zach, via his twitter had another still pic of Cook running wide open and as FreeSafety noted, indeed other WR's we're open that Rodgers didn't throw to. It seemed, at least early on, he was reverting back to looking for the Home Run ball vs taking the underneath stuff and short curl/slants that we're open.
Seeing GB plod down the field with 6-8 yard dink and dunk type passes in a 7-10 minute drive would be just what the Packers DL and secondary would need. As much as Dallas is looking to keep 12 off the field, keeping EE on the sidelines works for Capers as well.
If the Packers win the coin toss, I actually hope they choose to receive. Score 1st, step on their throat, and don't look back.

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