With all the potential exits, we also don't know what Bakh will look like next year. The knee still keeping him inactive after a year is not a good sign.
Luckily you can probably put Jenkins there and be good.
@YATittle posted:Franchise tag him
If he doesn’t sign the tender you can’t trade him. He will not sign the tender. You cannot trade Adams.
EDIT - I'm an IDOT. I'm still not 100% convinced that GB would even take the risk of Adams signing it, but you all are right, they will likely tag him in the hopes of trading him.
So Adams would be willing to sit out the year? That’s his only move if he doesn’t sign the tender.
Believe your little fantasy. The Packers aren’t tagging him. He ain’t signing a tender. He isn’t going to be traded.
EDIT - I'm an IDOT. I'm still not 100% convinced that GB would even take the risk of Adams signing it, but you all are right, they will likely tag him in the hopes of trading him.
@Timpranillo posted:If he doesn’t sign the tender you can’t trade him. He will not sign the tender. You cannot trade Adams.
Franchise him.. He sits out... Sign and trade deal.
Rodgers leaving doesn't necessarily mean Love is starter day 1. If we have enough core pieces to remain competitive, there's going to be veteran qbs available to bring in. Wilson is my first choice bc he has something left in the tank and think would complement Jones Dillon and hopefully Adams.
@Tschmack posted:Not all is lost
The Milwaukee Bucks are champions and could repeat!
With a roster (besides Grayson Allen) filled with likable stars who seem to appreciate what they have. If you have time, you should read the Giannis biography. When he first got to the NBA, he would send most of his salary as well as his per diem money back to Greece so his family could eat. There's the classic story how he had to get a ride from a random person because he had just sent all his money back to Greece and didn't have enough left to get a taxi to the Bradley Center before a game and was running there outside in 10 degree weather with a windbreaker on. He'd get excited when his teammates gave him 50 dollars to buy boxes of doughnuts and let him keep the change.
Kind of similar story to Donald Driver.
@Timpranillo posted:Believe your little fantasy. The Packers aren’t tagging him. He ain’t signing a tender. He isn’t going to be traded.
I think you have to tag him. You can't lose him for an end of round 3 compensatory pick in 2023. That would be front office malpractice. I don't think he's here next year, but you can't let him go for nothing.
@Timpranillo posted:Sure.
So your strategy is to throw your hands up in the air and cry as he walks away and all we get is end of 3rd comp pick?
I know you’re pissed, but that’s not a smart move. He is going to want out. We franchise him to retain trading rights, and give his agent authority to go negotiate a deal for him that includes a 1rst rounder for us.
He has three options. Take the best deal his agent can get, play on a shit Packers team and probably reduce his long term value, or sit out the season and make nothing.
How do you fit $21M in to the cap next year when you’re already 45M over?
@Timpranillo posted:How do you fit $21M in to the cap next year when you’re already 45M over?
Moving on from Rodgers, Z, and P is a start. I don’t have the exact numbers but I think that gets you there.
2 firsts for Rodgers and 1 for Adams. The rebuild begins.
@WolfPack posted:Rodgers leaving doesn't necessarily mean Love is starter day 1. If we have enough core pieces to remain competitive, there's going to be veteran qbs available to bring in. Wilson is my first choice bc he has something left in the tank and think would complement Jones Dillon and hopefully Adams.
I would love to get Wilson in here, but I just think the Pack isn't going to have as much trade ammunition as Seattle might want? Plus, I have to believe Seattle would try to move him to an AFC team as a first choice.
I just think almost no matter what, the Pack is going to take a large step backwards thanks to the bad cap situation they are in. I am not looking forward to the departures of Rodgers and Adams, but I honestly think they both are probably sick of the ineptitude around them and are ready to move on. I don't want those guys sticking around if their hearts aren't into staying even though they are both incredible players.
Rodgers could learn some things from Giannis. In a way, he’s like Durant. Arguably the best player on the planet but hypersensitive and has suffered some horrendous playoff losses and has yet to basically lead a team to a title being “the guy”
I don’t think that GB was on Wilson’s list of options last year. True, things have changed but I would not expect him to turn up in GB.
If Jaire leaves they will get a 3rd rounder for him. Not as sure about Z and Preston given they were signed as free agents.
Yes Adams would hate it and would probably piss him off but if Rodgers leaves they really have no choice other than tag him either to buy time for an extension or pave the way to a trade.
How and why the NFLPU didn’t bargain to eliminate the tag is mind boggling. Then again, it’s not in line with that rocket scientist JC Tretter that’s “all about getting his guys paid.” He’s basically a pimp and if I were a vet like Adams I’m hosed.
@Tschmack posted:Rodgers could learn some things from Giannis. In a way, he’s like Durant. Arguably the best player on the planet but hypersensitive and has suffered some horrendous playoff losses and has yet to basically lead a team to a title being “the guy”
I think that Rodgers/Durant comparison is an excellent one. Both have skills that are unique for their positions. Yet both of them seem to get unreasonably upset in the face of criticism and it can get under their skin.
I actually feel bad for Durant in a way. He won those titles in Golden State, but I don't think he really enjoyed them as there was sort of an implied asterisk to the way he got those titles. I think he's mostly a good guy who is just extremely insecure and it's kind of sad to see a guy that freakishly skilled who doesn't seem like he enjoys the great things he does have.
Let's look at the 2022 roster this way. Who is on the roster right now that isn't here for Game 1 in 2022?
Ou
They have 13 unrestricted free agents.
Adams, King, Tonyan, Sullivan, Campbell, Patrick, Kelly, MVS, Lancaster, Bojorquez, Burks, ESB. It's possible none of those guys are back. I still think they tag and trade Adams, but someone will pay Campbell and none of these guys are locks to be back.
Their restricted free agents are Nijman and Lazard.
The following guys are cheaper in terms of dead cap hit to cut than keep. Kenny Clark isn't going anywhere, but it's possible that most of these other guys are gone. They are all in their late 20s or 30s and moving on from all of them other than Clark saves 76 million on the cap.
Rodgers (46 million cap - 27 million dead cap)
Z. Smith (28 -12)
P. Smith (21-7)
K. Clark (21-15)
Amos (12-4)
Cobb (10-3)
Turner (9-5)
Lowry (8-4)
Crosby (5-2)
M. Lewis (2.5 - 1.5)
I'll predict that Rodgers gets traded. Adams gets franchised and then traded.
By midseason next year, the offense will feature one of the best OL units in the NFL with one of the worst WR/TE position groups.
QB - Love
RB- Jones, Dillon
OL- Bakh, Jenkins (eventually), Myers, Patrick, new RT
TE- DeGuara
WR - ?
The defense talent will still be respectable: Gary, Clark, Alexander, Stokes, Savage, Barnes is a nice group of young talent.
Even if Rodgers wants back, I don't think you can bring him back. He'll be 39 and even if the Packers go 17-0, nothing will really matter until the playoffs. They haven't been able to win the last two years with everything in their favor and the drama with Rodgers is only to going to increase no matter where he goes. They aren't winning anything for a few years without him, but they aren't going to win anything other than NFC North titles with him. Just blow it up and get it over with. The 2023 draft is supposed to be one of the most loaded QB classes in years. If Love isn't the answer, you bottom out and select one of those guys.
@BrainDed posted:Moving on from Rodgers, Z, and P is a start. I don’t have the exact numbers but I think that gets you there.
2 firsts for Rodgers and 1 for Adams. The rebuild begins.
Agreed. And maybe a couple more draft picks in the 2/3 rounds of upcoming drafts thrown in. It sucks to immediately enter Jaguars, Lions, Jets levels of ineptitude, but I actually think it's almost inevitable if Rodgers leaves (I think it's better than 50/50 he leaves).
The Denver picks in the upcoming draft will be decent. I think 3 in the top 75 including the 9th overall pick.
If the Packers do a complete tear down their 2023 picks will be decent.
Figure another 3rd if Jaire leaves.
Assuming you also land several young players under control (from Denver) if they draft well they could be pretty good in 3-4 years with or without Love. BTW- I’d play Love in 2022. If he flames out at least you know for sure and the 2023 picks will be that much better.
jordan love? seriously? go watch the kc and detroit game tapes.
Something I can't get out of my head is the way Rodgers walked off the field last night. Given he's said he's wanted to soak in the crowd this year more, he certainly did not at all last night, basically just walking off the field with his head down.
I didn't expect him to do a victory lap after a huge loss, but also he didn't seem like a guy who will never play in Lambeau again. If it was I would have expected him to stand and look around more before he left the field, knowing this chapter of his career had closed. That didn't happen.
@fightphoe93 posted:I think that Rodgers/Durant comparison is an excellent one. Both have skills that are unique for their positions. Yet both of them seem to get unreasonably upset in the face of criticism and it can get under their skin.
I actually feel bad for Durant in a way. He won those titles in Golden State, but I don't think he really enjoyed them as there was sort of an implied asterisk to the way he got those titles. I think he's mostly a good guy who is just extremely insecure and it's kind of sad to see a guy that freakishly skilled who doesn't seem like he enjoys the great things he does have.
I agree on Durant being thin-skinned, but he doesn't come across as the egomaniacal guy that Rodgers revealed himself to be this year.
In retrospect, you understand more why Durant left OKC. Their management had a team with 3 future HOFers (Durant, Westbrook, and Harden) and a defensive player of the year candidate (Ibaka) all under 23 years of age that had just lost in the Finals to the LeBron-Bosh-DWade Heat. They traded Harden for pennies on the dollar because they were cheapskates. So then Durant is left with playing with the most overrated NBA player of the last 30 years (Westbrook) chucking up jumpers and being a stat whore.
The other difference is that Durant has come up with some of the best playoff performances I've ever seen. When the pressure goes up, he gets better. Some of those games against the Bucks last year were absolutely ridiculous. He's the guy that was taking the pressure shots even on a loaded Golden State team.
Rodgers legacy in the playoffs is that with two exceptions both in the 2010 playoffs (at Atlanta and in the Super Bowl), he's never really taken over a playoff game and willed them to a win. He's been very good and you can't really blame any of the Packers losses on him making mistakes to give the game away. He just seems to become a game manager and plays like he's scared to make a mistake. There were many amazing statistics about yesterday's game - the Niners won a game where they never got the ball past the Packers 9 yard line, for example. But one I haven't seen talked about is that the Packers ran 9 plays in the red zone yesterday and not once did a pass travel to the end zone. A team with a 2-time defending MVP QB with a HOF WR never once threw a ball that if it was caught was going to be a TD.
@vitaflo posted:Something I can't get out of my head is the way Rodgers walked off the field last night. Given he's said he's wanted to soak in the crowd this year more, he certainly did not at all last night, basically just walking off the field with his head down.
I didn't expect him to do a victory lap after a huge loss, but also he didn't seem like a guy who will never play in Lambeau again. If it was I would have expected him to stand and look around more before he left the field, knowing this chapter of his career had closed. That didn't happen.
For as much as he may not have done to make a play to win the game, he was probably just as stunned as everyone else at losing a game they would have won if they'd have just had D- level of special teams play. I wouldn't read too much into it either way.
@Jessie Clark posted:jordan love? seriously? go watch the kc and detroit game tapes.
I agree with you on Jordan Love, but they didn't draft him to give up on him without seeing him play a full season. Based on those game tapes, he's a below replacement level guy, but there's no way they aren't playing him next year if Rodgers moves on.
I’m in the blow it all up camp.
Get as many picks as you can for this year and 2023. Let Love shit the bed in 2022 and be in good draft position for 2023. Get your long term QB in 2023 who is surrounded by loads of talent from two rebuild drafts.
My preference would be to shit can Gute right now but that’s not happening.
If they move on from 12 they will bring in a veteran QB to compete with Nub for QB1…Dalton, Mariota, Bridgewater, etc.
@Chongo posted:If they move on from 12 they will bring in a veteran QB to compete with Nub for QB1…Dalton, Mariota, Bridgewater, etc.
welcome back to the 1970s
Funny how the sudden end to a season changes things. I was in the "You'd be crazy to trade 12" camp but I have a different thought process now.
GB obviously isn't winning the big one with him even when all the cards are stacked in their favor. Fuck it... trade the guy, let a bunch of the FA's walk and start this thing all over again.
Worst case scenario is 12 retires. GB gets jack shit then.
Poor Jordan Love.
No idea if he is any good.
But, as of today, his projected returning receiving targets in 22’ are Amari Rodgers, Cobb, Lazard?, ESB?, Degaura, Daffney, and Lewis.
Who could make that collection of receiving dreck look good?
Will any of these guys even be on an NFL team in 2023?
As we have enjoyed telling Vikings’ fans for years, it may well be time to embrace the suck.
@vitaflo posted:Something I can't get out of my head is the way Rodgers walked off the field last night. Given he's said he's wanted to soak in the crowd this year more, he certainly did not at all last night, basically just walking off the field with his head down.
I didn't expect him to do a victory lap after a huge loss, but also he didn't seem like a guy who will never play in Lambeau again. If it was I would have expected him to stand and look around more before he left the field, knowing this chapter of his career had closed. That didn't happen.
I see you've joined Goldie's Hallmark Channel coffee klatch
The only way AR can stay, if he wants, is to restructure everything forward. It's done all the time. Not that I think he wants that.
I too am in favor of a complete blowup. I’m ready for something new. That “new” might suck for a bit, but it might not. If you can get a haul for AR and be flush with cap space in 2023 who knows.
What would Rodgers cap hit be if her retires versus a trade? The same? I can't imagine him wanting to be out of the lime light, but I also think he would try to handcuff the Packers as much as possible, maybe even sitting out a year, keeping them from obtaining draft picks with a trade---not too unlike Favre calling teams to give them inside info, feigning retirement to get to the Vikings....
Anyway I appreciate X4 and all the comments and insight here. Last night was as brutal a loss as I can remember, yet I am already looking forward to next season-let the new era begin!
@Pakrz posted:Funny how the sudden end to a season changes things. I was in the "You'd be crazy to trade 12" camp but I have a different thought process now.
GB obviously isn't winning the big one with him even when all the cards are stacked in their favor. Fuck it... trade the guy, let a bunch of the FA's walk and start this thing all over again.
Worst case scenario is 12 retires. GB gets jack shit then.
Listening to him after the game I don't think he retires. He said "I still feel that I can perform at a high level" ...A trade makes the most sense for both sides.
@Goldie posted:Sorry, can’t read the article, not gonna pay for it.
Here's the same article not behind a paywall.
Among the players who MAY have played their last snaps as a Packer:
— Andy Herman (@AndyHermanNFL) January 23, 2022
Aaron Rodgers
Davante Adams
Randall Cobb
MVS
Robert Tonyan
Marcedes Lewis
Billy Turner
Dennis Kelly
Lucas Patrick
Dean Lowry
Preston Smith
Z
Rasul Douglas
Kevin King
De’Vondre Campbell
Adrian Amos
Mason Crosby
Andy Herman's list of some who may not be back.
@Johnson posted:What would Rodgers cap hit be if her retires versus a trade? The same? I can't imagine him wanting to be out of the lime light, but I also think he would try to handcuff the Packers as much as possible, maybe even sitting out a year, keeping them from obtaining draft picks with a trade---not too unlike Favre calling teams to give them inside info, feigning retirement to get to the Vikings....
Not seeing that at all...listening to all his pressers this year & on McAfee ...no venom at all towards Packers. Said last night that he really appreciated Gute this year and the improved communication. He isn't out to "screw" the Packers ...just doesn't want to be part of a rebuild.
