Lohse a Brewer ?

not a fan

I like it.

Not a fan either, I see this ending badly for the Crew ...

If he pitches like he has the last two years it's a decent signing. If he pitches like 2009 and 2010 he's stealing from Milwaukee.

I think this is better than Suppan or Wolf but maybe not as good as Marcum. Time will tell (and yes I know they traded for Marcum).

Mark Rogers - this might be the end of the road for him.

Totally forgot about the draft pick comp for the cardinals at the end of the 1st and us losing the #17 overall in this years draft (which I believe is pretty deep)...

Put me on the I dont like the move board now. I dont think giving away 1st round picks for FAs is good policy.

Boras thinks that his client Lohse was diserviced by the current CBA. He said that the draft pick compensation rule drove down the price on Lohse and he did not receive money equal to Dempster - who was older and less effective than Lohse.

3/33 is not a bad deal for Lohse IMO. I think we will be regretting the deal in year 3, but hopefully in year 1/2 he gives us sub 4 ERAs.

I would agree with anyone who believes that you build your team through the draft. If you draft good players and they turn out eventually they will get to the bigs. I would love to see what the percentage is for the Brewers of the number of players they draft that make it to the big leagues with either Milwaukee or a team the draft choice was traded to. Doug and Mark chose Lohse based on what they believe he will give the team based on what he has done the last few years. If we get two good years out of Lohse, it's a win for the Brewers. There is no guarantee that the 17th pick in the draft will make it.

3 years, 33 million and a first round pick is to high for Loshe. That is my problem.

I can live without the pick, I would just hope that the return would be more than Loshe. I can live with Loshe, just don't like those dollars/years/pick being part of the package.

I'm going to do some research on this "good players who were drafted eventually playing in the major leagues" theory though. That might just have legs.

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Originally posted by El-Ka-Bong:
I'm going to do some research on this "good players who were drafted eventually playing in the major leagues" theory though. That might just have legs.

When you are finished with that, can you examine the "team that scores more points wins" theory?

Review this about how many draft picks actually make "the show." I don't have a problem giving that up and if you review other SP signings over the winter, Lohse's price ain't that bad.

HardballTalk ‏@HardballTalk 4m Adam Wainwright’s deal announced: he gets a no-trade clause http://dlvr.it/38MJ9K

Wainwright gets a five-year, $97.5 million contract. And a kicker that wasn’t reported: a no-trade clause.

Wainwright, 31, posted a 3.94 ERA, 1.25 WHIP and 184/52 K/BB ratio across 198 2/3 innings in 2012. Now, one more year removed from Tommy John reconstructive elbow surgery surgery, he feels like someone poised for a big year.

Lohse the last two years (ERA/WHIP/IP):

2011: 3.39/1.168/188
2012: 2.86/1.090/211

if Lohse was three years younger and carried a history of high level pitching like Wainwright does, he would have gotten more years and cash as well.

Nothing ironic to see here.

I highly doubt that Lohse will carry his previous numbers over to his new Team, especially 2 years older and playing in a HITTERS park.

If he does, Melvin and Attanasio should be execs of the year candidates.

Going Saturday for the exhibition and on April 2nd for the second game of the season.

I originally thought Lohse would pitch then as the #2 in the rotation but it looks like Estrada the first time through.

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Originally posted by El-Ka-Bong:
Nothing ironic to see here.

Ahh, finally get this. Beat me to the site today. But I suspect you do that every day.

it takes you awhile to catch on to things? I'm, for one, am shocked.

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Originally posted by trump:
Not a fan either, I see this ending badly for the Crew ...

What doesn't?

Not sure that anyone is expecting 16-3 with a sub 3 ERA

However, adding a vet that eats up innings and knows the division works OK with me

They are really rolling the dice with 4 younger or unproven guys so Lohse gives them a couple of known guys that can pitch

Can see why everyone is nervous after guys like Suppan and Wolf. I think lohse will be better than those two....how's that for going out on a limb.

The guy does have excellent control and his sinker should help him in the keg.

I like the signing. Takes some heat off of Yo in an otherwise shaky rotation.

His first outing in Arizona was pretty darn good. I don't think Wolf or Suppan brought the same degree of pedigree that Lohse brings. Neither Wolf or Suppan had that ability to put the ball where they wanted it on a consistent basis and they didn't have that big out pitch when they couldn't spot the ball. I may eat my words later in the season but I think he will be a huge addition to this staff.

Wolf's pedigree was easily equal to Lohse, whatever that is supposed to mean.

Suppan parlayed a good postseason and Catholicism into a big contract.

By pedigree I mean Lohse is bringing better credentials than Wolf or Suppan. Hindsight is 20-20 but I didn't mind either signing of Wolf or Suppan at the time because I felt like they were better than anything we had coming up. Unfortunately pitching is expensive.

well, then Wolf's credentials were just as good as Lohse any day of the week.

Wolf was an all star (once, whoo hoo!), Lohse never was. Wolf had an ERA under 4 five times (once as a Brewer), Lohse two times (last year 2.86). Prior to signing with Milwaukee, they both pitched about the same innings and struck out guys at about the same pace. Lohse gives up less walks (pound that strike zone!) and less homers (but not much). Wolf pitched 100% more from the left side than Lohse does. Wolf was two years younger. Career numbers favor Wolf.

If by pedigree (or credentials), you mean one really great season, then Lohse wins. Last year was great for him.

I guess Suppan is a better comparison based on your (arbitrary) criteria. He won a WS game right before we signed him.

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Originally posted by hoophead:
Going Saturday for the exhibition and on April 2nd for the second game of the season.

Went to the Crew game today 7th row in section 121.
I actually willed Luc,, Halton, and Logan for rbi hits in a comeback 9th inning rally for the W.
Mr. Hand closed it out with a 1-2-3 9th in front of 16,000

stop wasting your powers on pre-season games

(glad you got to go)

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Originally posted by hoophead:

Mr. Hand closed it out with a 1-2-3 9th in front of 16,000

Exactly what I thought at the time

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Originally posted by El-Ka-Bong:
Wolf's pedigree was easily equal to Lohse, whatever that is supposed to mean.

Suppan parlayed a good postseason and Catholicism into a big contract.

What role did his Catholic faith have in his contract?

Can we look at his entire career? Sub 4 era is the anomaly kids.

I don't think it is unfair to look at the whole picture, but Dave Duncan gave Lohse a new pitch and changed who he was. The picture is different from that point on (albiet, older...)

Mark A. had Suppan over for supper and was very impressed. There was some comment about both of them being Catholic, which was exaggerated into the "reason" Mark A. fell so deeply in love with Suppan the pitcher. I don't think that converting to Catholicism will get you a meal with, or a contract with, Mark A.

Kyle hasn't been a bad Brewer.

 

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