This started on the MM's topic, but I believe that Aaron is not his usual self and has not been MVP for some time now.
I feel like I just started another "Phat Eddie" post. But it needs to be said none-the-less.
Example: https://www.profootballfocus.c...ow-about-nfl-week-2/
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For a start he could take what the defense is giving him underneath instead of forcing the deep ball to his preferred targets...
I blame this loss strictly on Rodgers. He was a hell of a QB at one time, but not so much this last year. I have confidence that he will fix the problem, but as of right now the team would do better if he was on the bench.
No, I'm not saying he should be benched. He has earned the right to try and straighten himself out. I just think his play has been hurting the team this year.
Maybe it's Aaron's fault?
He's the one handling the ball every snap. He's the one missing open receivers. He's the one with the option each down to run or pass (except when they used to go 5-wide). He's the one reading the D and making the calls at the LOS.
To me it's obvious, it's Micah Hyde's fault.
He is great at the fair catch.
I believe it's worth it's own thread. He's in a slump and needs to get his best practices back. Not sure why they're lost.
I think it's mainly a two-pronged problem:
1. McStupidface calling lame, predictable plays from lame, predictable formations.
2. When receivers do get open, Rodgers is missing them far too often.
No Huddle =/= fast-paced when you line up the same group of guys every down and blather through the clock unit it's at two seconds every play. The defense has plenty of time to sub and they need to even less because it's the same damned group of guys they're facing every damned play.
A couple of observations from the last 14 games or so.
1. He seems to have the "yips" even when not under pressure
2. He is inaccurate often (but then throws a great one) so we assume the bad throw was a fluke.
Poor ball security and pocket awareness were also a big problem in the last game. Both disturbing and puzzling that the struggles of last year are carrying over to this year.
I never watched any of the 22 from last year but from what I remember reading, our WR's were not getting any separation last season. THAT is not the same problem this year. AR is missing them with his eyes and his arm.
His regression is really alarming. As Packer fans, we've had it made at QB for nearly 25 years, but if we are honest, from mid-2015 to now the play at that position has been sub-par. The national media still props him up, but #12 needs to do some serious soul-searching. Something has happened with him, either on or off the field, and he's simply not the same player. Time to steal the AR voodoo doll from his brother Jordan.
Yips under pressure, and his constantly looking for the "explosive play." From his body language when he threw short to Cook after checking down, he was po'd he had to go there and then threw a bad pass Cook had to pick off his shoes. Maybe AR's reading his own press about his greatness and wants to show it on every play. Right now he needs to reestablish himself by checking down and getting the yards he can and be more patient about going long. Better to take five yards and set up second-and-five than toss long for an incomplete -- especially when you're afraid to go to the middle of the field.
Answer to new SAT question
Olivia Munn is to Packers as
Yoko Ono was to Beatles 
Aarons QBR seems to be dropping each game. If he can make those crazy throws why cant he make the easy ones? Perhaps his past success has given him the impression that he no longer has to focus on the basics. Or he is still seeing "ghosts" ?
Viewpoint from another source:
Munn's not the problem. He's been busy there since the 2014 season.
Herschel posted:I think it's mainly a two-pronged problem:
1. McStupidface calling lame, predictable plays from lame, predictable formations.
I don't buy this at all. I think he leans on sub-packages too often and doesn't run enough, but I don't think he's predictable. I think there were lots of good opportunities available to Rodgers and he just fukked up. It can be that simple. Rodgers left a lot of yards and points on the field the past 2+ weeks, making wrong reads, missing easy throws, making poor decisions, etc. That's not a scheme issue, that's a fundamentals issue from a QB supposedly in his prime.
The only regression from a QB I've seen like this was Peyton Manning last year, and that was because his body was shot. I've never seen a QB in their prime fall this far, this fast. Even when guys are wide open he is either not finding them or not hitting them. See the 3rd down play with 9 minutes left in the 2nd quarter on 3rd down. Davis wide open for an easy first down across the middle.
The very next series, 3rd down again. Jordy running a post down the middle, wide open for a probable touchdown with a good throw. I think Cobb was open on that play as well.
The plays they run do not help matters either. New England always has guys running wide open. It doesn't matter who is out there either. Edelman is really good but the others are "just guys" but they always find guys wide open.
It seems the offense is predicated on:
1) long pass interference calls
2) catching the defense with 12 guys
3) hail mary passes
4) Rodgers improvising on busted plays
5) constantly forcing throws to Adams. Remember last year's 20 targets for 79 yard doozy against the Lions at Lambeau?
What's all the more frustrating is that despite the poor performance by the QB the team is not getting blown out aside from the Denver and first Arizona game last year.
Carolina lost by 8 where he got scared of Tillman
Lions Crosby yacked on the field goal at the end
Bears first and goal to win and didn't get the touchdown.
Last game vs Queens lost by 7
Arizona - lost in OT
Lost to the Queens by 3
If the Packers had solid defense like this back in 2011 - 2014 they may have won another Super Bowl.
These were his numbers going into the bye last year:
1500 yards, 15 td, 2 int, 116 rating, 8.2 ypa, 6-0 record
These are the numbers since:
3200 yards, 23 tds, 8 int, 84 rating, 5.9 ypa, 6-8 record
The yards per attempt is far and away the most alarming stat, besides the team record. YPA would be even more atrocious if not for the Detroit and Arizona hail mary plays.
When was the last time we saw a play like this, the TD to Nelson vs New England?
The GBP Rules posted:The only regression from a QB I've seen like this was Peyton Manning last year, and that was because his body was shot. I've never seen a QB in their prime fall this far, this fast. Even when guys are wide open he is either not finding them or not hitting them. See the 3rd down play with 9 minutes left in the 2nd quarter on 3rd down. Davis wide open for an easy first down across the middle.
The very next series, 3rd down again. Jordy running a post down the middle, wide open for a probable touchdown with a good throw. I think Cobb was open on that play as well.
The plays they run do not help matters either. New England always has guys running wide open. It doesn't matter who is out there either. Edelman is really good but the others are "just guys" but they always find guys wide open.
It seems the offense is predicated on:
1) long pass interference calls
2) catching the defense with 12 guys
3) hail mary passes
4) Rodgers improvising on busted plays
5) constantly forcing throws to Adams. Remember last year's 20 targets for 79 yard doozy against the Lions at Lambeau?What's all the more frustrating is that despite the poor performance by the QB the team is not getting blown out aside from the Denver and first Arizona game last year.
Carolina lost by 8 where he got scared of Tillman
Lions Crosby yacked on the field goal at the end
Bears first and goal to win and didn't get the touchdown.
Last game vs Queens lost by 7
Arizona - lost in OT
Lost to the Queens by 3If the Packers had solid defense like this back in 2011 - 2014 they may have won another Super Bowl.
These were his numbers going into the bye last year:
1500 yards, 15 td, 2 int, 116 rating, 8.2 ypa, 6-0 record
These are the numbers since:
3200 yards, 23 tds, 8 int, 84 rating, 5.9 ypa, 6-8 record
The yards per attempt is far and away the most alarming stat, besides the team record. YPA would be even more atrocious if not for the Detroit and Arizona hail mary plays.
When was the last time we saw a play like this, the TD to Nelson vs New England?
Too long! And many have been blaming everybody BUT Aaron
Edit: Posted after I started this thread http://www.packersnews.com/sto...r-mvp-form/90720516/
Hey, I could say it was Olivia as well, but come on........EVERYONE on the team could have women problems.......so please stop saying it's my arch rival's fault for his problems ok?? Thank you. 
It seems like he's pressing more. He doesn't seem as cool and collected, more like he's trying so badly to make a play that he's forgetting his fundamentals. Perhaps he was so embarrassed by the Denver loss last year that he's freaked out about that happening again? That's wild speculation, but that game was seemingly the turning point of his performance over the 10 months.
Posit this;
There is possibly some type of internal turmoil going on inside the Packers organization.
As in Eli Manning's case I dont believe Aaron's body is beat up. However it is possible that for a reason based on the internal disagreements within the organization that Aaron is not willing to put his whole heart, mind and body into playing football. Now I am not saying Aaron is immature, however I am saying for some reason he is not completely focused upon playing football to the absolute best of his ability.
In organizational dynamics power plays occur in various ways. Sometimes people think their value to an organization outweighs other peoples value. When these people who see their value as higher than others decide on a course of action many times that action can be detrimental to themselves as well as the people whom they see as being of lesser value.
Considering Sitton's release, who was reported to be one of Aaron's best buddies it could be plausible it had a disconcerting effect on the entire team. That coupled with MM's propensity to call the same plays in very similar situations has made the offense very predicaible thereby causing some team members to not focus their entire heart, mind and body on performing to the absolute best of their abilities.
Simply put forward as a supposition to chew on.
Today AR holds that ball on the slant to Jordy waiting for Jordy to get more down the field and come wide open -- which isn't happening. He's just not the AR we've grown used to seeing and been spoiled by. He needs a mental adjustment. One of the sad things is that this Oline, while not perfect, has done a pretty darn good job for him, and he's making them look bad with five sacks against the Vikes.
This has probably been said, and I don't think it totally accounts for last year. But I think the lack of pre-season play is a major reason for these slow starts (over the last 5+ years), and AR playing like schit.
I also think we need perspective, as much as we would all like, there was no way, that AR was going to rip off 5-6 years of the same productivity that he had in 2013-14. During those years, his play was on a different planet, now he has come down to earth, and he is above average, but not out of this world.
PERSPECTIVE.
ScareyFast63 posted:Posit this;
Considering Sitton's release, who was reported to be one of Aaron's best buddies it could be plausible it had a disconcerting effect on the entire team. That coupled with MM's propensity to call the same plays in very similar situations has made the offense very predicaible thereby causing some team members to not focus their entire heart, mind and body on performing to the absolute best of their abilities.
Simply put forward as a supposition to chew on.
This was going on long before the Sitton release
Aaron is a smart guy, I think he knows the reality of what he means to the organization and what his place is. He's going to push for what he wants and he's extremely competitive, but I don't think he would tank on purpose if he doesn't get what he wants. I think he's been knocked down a peg perhaps, going from essentially co=play caller with Clements back to just running the offense, so maybe he's struggling mentally with that situation. Maybe he's struggling mentally with the fact that he's struggling, he has no more chip on his shoulder as motivation...he's universally praised as a top 3 QB, he has 2 MVPs, a SB win, a SB MVP, etc. No one is doubting him like they did when he was in JUCO or coming out in the draft.
ScareyFast63 posted:Posit this;
There is possibly some type of internal turmoil going on inside the Packers organization.
Considering Sitton's release, who was reported to be one of Aaron's best buddies it could be plausible it had a disconcerting effect on the entire team. That coupled with MM's propensity to call the same plays in very similar situations has made the offense very predicaible thereby causing some team members to not focus their entire heart, mind and body on performing to the absolute best of their abilities.
Simply put forward as a supposition to chew on.
So, your saying, there is a power struggle, because of Sitton's release? I don't buy that, these dudes are pro's.
PackerRuss posted:ScareyFast63 posted:Posit this;
There is possibly some type of internal turmoil going on inside the Packers organization.
Considering Sitton's release, who was reported to be one of Aaron's best buddies it could be plausible it had a disconcerting effect on the entire team. That coupled with MM's propensity to call the same plays in very similar situations has made the offense very predicaible thereby causing some team members to not focus their entire heart, mind and body on performing to the absolute best of their abilities.
Simply put forward as a supposition to chew on.
So, your saying, there is a power struggle, because of Sitton's release? I don't buy that, these dudes are pro's.
No, I am saying there is some internal turmoil which was accelerated by Sitton's release.
FLPACKER posted:ScareyFast63 posted:Posit this;
Considering Sitton's release, who was reported to be one of Aaron's best buddies it could be plausible it had a disconcerting effect on the entire team. That coupled with MM's propensity to call the same plays in very similar situations has made the offense very predicaible thereby causing some team members to not focus their entire heart, mind and body on performing to the absolute best of their abilities.
Simply put forward as a supposition to chew on.
This was going on long before the Sitton release
That is exactly what I was saying. Thanks for clarrifying.
Fandame posted:Today AR holds that ball on the slant to Jordy waiting for Jordy to get more down the field and come wide open -- which isn't happening. He's just not the AR we've grown used to seeing and been spoiled by. He needs a mental adjustment. One of the sad things is that this Oline, while not perfect, has done a pretty darn good job for him, and he's making them look bad with five sacks against the Vikes.
I don't have the link. But read that T J Lang complained that Aarons scrambling around makes the line look bad.
Grave Digger posted:Aaron is a smart guy, I think he knows the reality of what he means to the organization and what his place is.
If he continues to play like this, he means draft picks to the org. His inaccuracy is stunning. He is playing, at best, league avg QB right now. At his price tag, I'd rather go with a different league avg QB.
I'm in no way suggesting pulling any triggers at this moment, but if it continues we need to explore it.
and tell me why did they bring another running back for look see??? My husband thinks Eddie still looks large AND slow......
"It felt like a combination of a lot of things. I know we tend to get blamed up front a lot for those sacks. We’ve got to do a better job blocking. We’ve got to do a better job of staying on time with our throws. Everybody plays a part in that.”
TJ Lang to USA Today reporter after Minny game.
Things could get ugly for this team in a hurry.
ChilliJon posted:"It felt like a combination of a lot of things. I know we tend to get blamed up front a lot for those sacks. We’ve got to do a better job blocking. We’ve got to do a better job of staying on time with our throws. Everybody plays a part in that.”
TJ Lang to USA Today reporter after Minny game.
Things could get ugly for this team in a hurry.
We shall see Sunday 25th September 12:00 CST!!!!!! I, for one, am looking forward to seeing a much improved Packer team put the Kittys in the Hurt Locker!!
Goldie posted:and tell me why did they bring another running back for look see??? My husband thinks Eddie still looks large AND slow......
They have to be frustrated with him. MM called him out, he immediately dropped a bunch of weight, put some of it on for mini-camps & beginning of preseason & now looks like he has put it all back on.
Again, with an actual, quick-strike offense, it's the defense that's on its heals. With the same package of guys and running the clock all the way down, the defense can run its shenanigans. Neither McStupidface nor Rodgers are adjusting.
They're ranked 30th overall in total offense after two games. If Spiller can provide a necessary spark I'm all for it.
AR's greatness in years past has clearly given him much leeway from MM and rightfully so. That greatness is gone and MM needs to reel his ass in.
This repeated cluster**** at the line of scrimmage needs to stop. The theory behind the no huddle is not give the defense a rest and catch them trying to substitute. I get it. However, the end result is that the only person that knows what's going on seems to be AR.
Huddle the **** up. Get everybody on the same page. Execute the play. Score touchdowns.
Oh... AR could probably lessen his arrogance a bit as well. You can get away with some of that if you're great. AR hasn't been able to hit the broad side of a barn lately so he may want to chill out on things like getting in Tretter's ass for not snapping a football.
FLPACKER posted:Answer to new SAT question
Olivia Munn is to Packers as
Yoko Ono was to Beatles
I've been saying the same thing for a year now, wish it was that simple. But it's not.
Truth is, Aaron's playing like he's afraid to get hit. His running around disrupts the timing of the pass plays and receivers have to break off their routes and work their way back to Rodgers.
