Hungry5 posted:The route/throw was designed to go outside, good chance Rodger's throws it there even if Adams breaks off and continues with a slant - the slant that wasn't called.
Collinsworth is an idiot.
In the WCO doesn't the receiver make his cut based on how the defender is playing him? Why clear side out to get isolation & then predetermine where the receiver has to cut?
In the generally excepted version of the WCO with all the shorter routes that was true, not sure that is the case in McCarthy's offense. Which, IMO looks more like the original WCO of Gillman and Coryell than that of Walsh and Holmgren.
Rodgers had already started his throwing motion to the out when Adams was making his last step faking the slant.
This is a terrible screen grab, but the all-22 is fuzzy this morning for some reason.
Great insight! looking at that shot must make them wish that they had called for the in-route, no way he could have covered Adams if he cuts to the middle.
BrainDed posted:Journalist who know a lot more about the game than you are saying he is playing like ****.
Journalists, rhymes with urinalists.
flpacker - two other things on the INT. Rodgers was looking to Adams from the snap, and Cook released out of the backfield and was heading left from the middle of the field. A slant back to the middle likely was not in the design.
In the pic above you can see Cook on the logo. Here is a cleaner grab from the EZ (Cook on the logo but Adams off screen) and you'll see the ball is clearly gone at this point. 
Rodgers also lofted that pass, which was well, baffling. Had he thrown that pass on a line or with the zip he's more than capable of, it likely doesn't get picked.
Then there was Minnesotaâs game-clinching interception in the final two minutes. Rodgers has the live arm to rifle the 15-yard out to Adams, but for some reason he floated the throw and didnât put it far enough to the sideline. Waynes intercepted, and that was the game.
I began this thread because we (myself included) were harping about MM's play calling. I went back and looked at Aarons play and saw what I thought was a disconnect from what I thought was the WCO. It seemed to me that Aaron was ignoring the short stuff and going for the long ball too often and by doing so was holding on to the ball for too long only to miss the throw while under duress.
My gut feeling is that a healthy dose of completed short passes to the open receivers would pull Aaron out of his yips and settle him back down to his old self. We now seem to have a better defense than we did in 2010-2014 and so we don't need to hit on the long ball to pull out the win.
I wish that MM and Aaron would sit down together and work this out. Heck for all I know maybe its MM who wants the long ball...but I doubt it. So that's why I asked that maybe its Aarons fault that the playcalling is not working. Also, I don't think that there have been enough preseason games with Aaron throwing to his receivers to get into a rhythm for the season. I even read that despite the extra preseason games, our practices have been cut back. I think that a good WCO needs lots of reps. Aaron is out of sync.
"Extended Pre-season" game #3 is coming up on Sunday.
Let's see if this is the "Dress Rehearsal."
I think the complexity of the offense has reached its point of diminishing returns. Every receiver must master every position and every route of the tree just to get on the field. The QB has a strong accurate arm so exploiting that needs to be in play as an option every down. Pass plays seems to be fluid up until the ball is snapped. Then success is dependent on everyone making the same read and adjustment as the QB and at least one player beating his matchup. Contrast this to a system that uses 2-3 players to get one open.
MM seems to think the downfield passing game can't be defended because even the offense doesn't know what's going to happen until the snap. But the defense knows that it probably isn't going to be a three step drop and 4 yard throw because that's not the choice AR usually makes. So turn the pass rush loose and play as tight a man as you can. Until AR beaks contain, the odds are in your favor.
Belichek and his QBs have lived off short slot receiver routes for years. Half the time it seems Brees throws the ball before his linemen are set in their stance. Carson Wentz threw his first 6-8 passes on Monday for 6 yards or less.
Having fewer options isn't necessarily limiting.
LOL.
No doubt he knows what he's been doing wrong. Question is, can he find his old self?
Man, that comparison to Gabbert is a kick to the nuts for Aaron to swallow.
Boris posted:"Extended Pre-season" game #3 is coming up on Sunday.
Let's see if this is the "Dress Rehearsal."
That means that none of the Starters will play in week 4, right?
Here's the best look at the X's and O's I've seen yet, and it sure seems like there's some shared blame to go around.
Jon Gruden was asked this morning on Mike & Mike what he thought the 'problem' was for the Packers offense. He immediately blamed OL play.
He made a secondary point of the lack of practices today compared to years past due to the CBA, and how this hurts the development and performance of O-Linemen.
Unfortunately, he didn't show video, or expand on his answer, but I thought it was an interesting perspective compared to what we have been reading.
Of course, it doesn't mean he is correct, but I'd respect his opinion before I would some asshat like Florio.
Respect and Jon Gruden in the same sentence?
O line play has been just fine. That's just lazy analysis by him.
I refuse to believe these guys won't figure it out. It might be week 10 when it clicks. That's fine. I'd rather they figure it out then than start 6-0 and then fall off a cliff.
Nothing is ever about how you start.
I don't believe much of what Gerg says. He blew up his career when he left the Packers. Classic case of a player thinking more of himself than is realistic. The guy would have certainly been in the Packer HOF and possibly in the NFL HOF if he would have stopped listening to his sister and took the good money the Packers initially offered.
Bench/rest him. Concussed.
From the story:
Rodgersâ passer rating dipped below 80 seven times from 2009-14, a stretch that doesnât include his first season as a starter. Five times, his passer rating the next week exceeded 100. His average increase was 54 points. The Packers were 6-1 in those next-week games.
Statistically, something changed last season. Not only did Rodgersâ bad games spike, but his next-week responses werenât the same. Rodgers dipped below an 80 passer rating four times in 2015. His average increase the next week was 18.1 points. He never bounced back to hit 100, and the Packers were 1-3.
Naturally, how Rodgers responds this week after dipping below an 80-point passer rating for the 16th time in 121 starts will be watched closely.
Gotta say, if I was nailing her I'd probably care a little less about playing football too.
Really starting to smell like Brent at 1265...
Aaron Rodgers fumbled three times in last Sundayâs loss at Minnesota, and the forecast for this Sundayâs against the Detroit Lions calls for rain. Perhaps thatâs why Green Bay Packers coach Mike McCarthy put his team through a wet-ball drill to start practice this week.
Just donât ask the quarterback if he thinks that will help.
Actually, do ask him, and youâll find him diametrically opposed to his coach on this one.
âItâs a silly drill,â Rodgers said after Wednesdayâs practice. âItâs one of my least favorite drills in the game. I did it today as favor to the coaches because I donât like that drill because itâs unrealistic.â
Even in a downpour, Rodgers doesnât think a game ball would be anywhere near as wet as the ones that the Packers submerged in water for Wednesdayâs practice.
âIf it is an actual rain game, the ball comes into the umpire, he wipes it off and puts it down,â Rodgers said. âYou donât dunk a ball directly in the water and then try to throw it. So yeah, itâs an unrealistic drill, but we do it, and I participated today.
Boris posted:Should I tweet this to Rodgers?
If Olivia doesn't get away from that mirror soon...
Hungry5 posted:LOL.
No doubt he knows what he's been doing wrong. Question is, can he find his old self?
Don't be so sure. #ego
There is plenty of blame to go around, but I'll go back to something that would help at all levels. They need to get some speed on the field. Given Nelson's ACL injury and Cobb getting knicked up over the years, they basically line up a bunch of WRs that run in the 4.5s for the 40 or worse. Even most safeties can run with them. The lack of speed means less separation on individual routes and extra defenders in the routes because defensive coordinators don't feel they need to leave a safety over the top to help out. The fact that we don't have a home run threat at RB doesn't help either. It's obvious Janis is unlikely to ever see the field and MM doesn't design offenses to maximize the skills of a slot receiver like Cobb or Abbrederis (Wes Welker types). MM's preference is to split out 4 or 5 guys and go after the weakest matchup. They don't have the personnel to do it (no Jennings or Nelson in their prime type WR). Rodgers knows this and has no confidence in the system and stops looking at his progressions so even if they get open he is already of the mindset to get to the scramble drill.
By the way, why is Adams still getting the reps? Did anyone attend training camp on this board and see the practices? Does he look better than the other WRs there?
Davante Adams stats speak for themselves
Rodgers' QB rating when targeting Adams
2015: 13 regular season games, 50-93 483 yards 1 TD 1 INT; 5.2 YPA; 67.6 QBR
2016; 2 games, 6-14 76 yards 1 TD 1 INT; 5.4 YPA; 54.4 QBR
107 targets in the last 15 regular season games?
Maybe it is Aaron's fault, but when it's obvious that the Rodgers-Adams combo isn't working, why do they keep forcing it? At least with Nelson and Cobb you know it's worked in the past. It's never worked well with Adams.
I said it somewhere else and I'll say it here also, the problem is Rodgers fundamentals. He's throwing with bad mechanics on almost every throw. He's not looking off players, not looking for check downs. I'm hoping he doesn't get our coaching staff fired. That's a big ego to try and check,
"I did the drill as a favor to the coaches." Say what? Who's running this **** show? Who has that attitude towards the staff and throws it at the media?
"I did the drill as a favor to the coaches." Say what? Who's running this **** show? Who has that attitude towards the staff and throws it at the media?
That's a very disappointing statement and probably points to a huge reason for his decline (and maybe his issues with his family)...a huge ego that refuses to acknowledge his faults or issues that have cropped up with his fundamentals. I am afraid this California guy has gone full Hollywood. Remember his reaction when someone made a comment that he was not as tall as they thought? When he took over from Favre, I admired his humbleness and how he seized his opportunity and appreciated the faith that the Packers' braintrust put in him. I'm beginning to think that he feels he is smarter and better than all of them.
Rotten statement by a guy who is supposed to be a team leader. Yes, it's unrealistic and the soaking wet ball is overkill but shut up and do your job. I don't like everything my boss makes me do either, but if I spoke out in the media I wouldn't have a job for very long.
It's called a barter system dummies. It's the backbone of society.
Rodgers does fundamentals drills for Mike Mac, and Mike doesn't lull him to sleep with easy passes.
RochNyFan posted:"I did the drill as a favor to the coaches." Say what? Who's running this **** show? Who has that attitude towards the staff and throws it at the media?
The starting QB's locker room is under construction!
tit for tat
I need a body language expert to chime in.
