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This to me indicates that the Thompson move was in the works for a while. Also believe they know who the new GM is and they signed off on this as part of the transition plan. They will likely "interview" Highsmith for Rooney rule, then announce Ball as GM to go with his EVP of Football Admin/Player Finance title, and then promote Wolf to EVP of Football Operations.

Ball is 58, so Wolf takes over the whole deal in 5-7 years...

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packerboi posted:

This looks like window dressing to me. Extended long enough to not be a lame duck HC, but not long enough that the Packers will be "stuck" with MM either. Would love to know what guys like Wolf and Gutekunst really think of MM.

Well, when they name the new GM, we'll find out. If it's an MM believer, he will get a new three-year-minimum deal. If not, his contract remains the same and he's gone after next year.

Iโ€™m betting he did see how bad Hundley was, but you have to give the guy a chance because he has been in the system for three years and itโ€™s not like heโ€™s seen a lot of real game time in any of them. Once he played a couple games, itโ€™s too late to bring in anyone and now your team is screwed. At that point, you canโ€™t say publicly, โ€œOur QBโ€™s best play is the duck and run.โ€ MM is not one to criticize his players in the media.

MM made two mistakes: not signing a veteran backup immediately, and not realizing just how badly Hundley would play. If he had signed a vet, he could have given Hundley two games to show what he could do and then pull the plug so the other guy was ready. Hundley did okay in preseason and I recall several folks crossing their fingers but there were no pitchforks and torches for a new backup, and many even praised Callahan. It wouldnโ€™t surprise me at all to see MM dump Hundley this year, now that heโ€™s seen him in live action.

Brainwashed Boris posted:

Well.....sounds like MM will have to actually COACH in 2018 if he wants to stay in Green Bay

Yeah, about as close as you can get to 50/50 coming back or not.  Late last night I later thought the one-year deal was the only safe solution in order to avoid MM being a lame-duck and/or ,if released, going to another team such as the Lions or Bears.   If successful then being offered a longer extension after 2018.

I think most in NFL fully expect one of the three insiders to get the GM position, and they are all fairly well known within the league. So it is not much an uncertainty risk. I also think most DC candidates would jump at the chance to be on a SB team with AR12 and only need to field a top 10 D or at least get a few key stops in an important game. The current situation in GB is likely very attractive to potential DC candidates.

bigdoggyjude posted:

I think most in NFL fully expect one of the three insiders to get the GM position, and they are all fairly well known within the league. So it is not much an uncertainty risk. I also think most DC candidates would jump at the chance to be on a SB team with AR12 and only need to field a top 10 D or at least get a few key stops in an important game. The current situation in GB is likely very attractive to potential DC candidates.

Especially since thereโ€™s nowhere to go but up from this yearโ€™s dumpster fire

Listening to WTMJ Packers talk.   Some minor speculation that if a new GM is hired outside of the Packers current org, that MM being on the sideline in 2018, is no sure bet.

And if you think about it...while a one-year extension alleviates the lame-duck status.  But it is also akin to asking someone to sit down for dinner while you're cleaning the kitchen and putting away the meal.

I think MM needs to re-evaluate himself.  Drop about 40 lbs and get in shape.  

Brainwashed Boris posted:

Disagree. They'll get a good DC.

I totally agree.  Many may be really down on this team right now but I guarantee you that the Packers DC (or working for the Packers) is an attractive job in football circles.

I think MM being the HC this year will happen whether they hire a GM internally or externally.  I know I am way in the minority thinking this but I just don't believe MM all of the sudden forgot how to coach and I think football guys know that.  This past season MM was totally hamstrung the moment AR went down and with Dom's defense.  Now I will say if next year is another disaster I would say a move has to be made.

Coaches know what comes with the profession...they all know they can come in one year, and be gone the next. The Packers are the outlier...as long as McCarthy has been here, he's stuck by his assistants. Any DC that comes in will want a 2-year deal, which isn't unreasonable.

Any DC worth a damn isn't going to be scared away by a perceived lack of talent. Good DC can take what you have and get respectable performances. It happens every year in the NFL.

If anything, a new DC will look at the Packers and say half the battle of winning is having a great QB, and GB has the best one in the business. They've won with dog$hit defenses the last 5 years...if I can just get them to improve by giving up 7 less points a game, we are going to win a lot of ball games.

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