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'Break-ups' hurt and can be messy, but sometimes it's best in the long run.
I would be surprised if it happened before the end of this season. If he makes it through this weekend, we'll know for sure. 

I'm also confident that Murphy and GutenChrist are on top of this, have a plan, and are doing their due diligence. 

I just hope that Pettine is not forced into a position he didn't want to be.
Or has it been the plan all along? 

I think Pettine may get MM fired.

He is a shining example of the difference a coach can make.  Quickly and with less than an all-star roster.

However, GB would never ever cut MM mid-season. That's not how they work and certainly aren't going to do that to a coach with his record.  Also wouldn't look good for HC prospects.  

 

BrainDed posted:

Outlet is there, but that's not where the ball is designed to go.   Should Rodgers see that yes.   Should MM make life for everyone on offense easier by calling plays designed to pick up 5 yards instead of 20 on 3rd n 3.  Yes.  

Rodgers didn't throw the ball to him because that kind of throw is for the "checkdown Charlie" QB's like Alex Smith, not those like the great Aaron Rodgers who push the ball down the field into tight coverages so we can stand in awe of the throw.  Rodgers certainly knew he was there because he knows where every potential receiver should be......after all, as he always reminds us, a receiver need to "gain his trust" that they will be in the right place before he will deign to throw them the ball.

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by and large the team has lost its mojo on offense.  there's very little juice out there and they can't get out of their own way.  it's stale, flat, in need of a Cars song:

and the mixer is moving on from Mike.  thanks for the memories but you've let it slip away for far too long.

the defense didn't lose that game.

 

"Two years ago, Josh McDaniels was in the (San Francisco 49ers') coaching search until the very end," Breer said. "And one of the things the Niners were looking at was pairing different people together. When Josh McDaniels was in the running for that Niners job ... the guy who at the time had emerged as the front-runner for the general manager job ... and who had blown the Niners away was a Packers personnel man named Brian Gutekunst, who now is the (Packers') general manager. So, they've done their homework on each other."

Umm yeah, but Gute isn't making the hire, it's El Honcho de Silo Numero Uno Murphy.

Jelly posted:
WolfPack posted:

bring Cowher in always loved that guy 

Lord no. We need someone young that hasn't won a title yet that hasn't been out of the league in a decade. Aside from Dick Vermeil, it hasn't worked out for anyone.

Agree. And Cowher is a Forrest Gregg type tough guy. The league is now dominated by guys that can formulate game plans to scheme and then exploit mismatches (like when MM schemed to get Adams coming out of the backfield and have him covered by Bobby Wagner on the play that should have been PI). 

Sean McVay, Bill Belichich, Sean Payton, Andy Reid. 

Music City posted:

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We all know this picture doesn't tell us shit, right?  We have no idea the progressions in the route and (AND) stills don't give the picture or sense of time.  

If the play was designed for Rogers to look folks off and dump to the RB, then fine.  I seriously doubt that though.  Not saying Rogers couldn't have done the dump, but the still pic doesn't do the play justice.  

Music City posted:

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See, this is a great point here. 

Let's ignore years and years of dysfunction. Poor offensive game plans, sticking with assistants that are clearly failing for years, unbelievable botching of timeouts for years, a game plan that seemingly cannot be run in anything resembling success by any QB other than the greatest QB in the game, endless backbreaking and embarrassing losses in the playoffs, and overall just a malaise around the entire program.  

Ignore all that shit.  Years and years of data is irrelevant.  

And, let's conveniently ignore that on probably every single play in the NFL one could screen shot an instant where someone was "wide open".

Ignore the reams of examples of McCarthy underperforming year after year after year. Especially ignore that last night, again, he called all of 4 rushing attempts in a half, botched his TOs again, and didn't call for a challenge on an obvious dropped catch.  

Ignore all that shit. 

Because you see, here we have a split second screen shot of someone open that Aaron Rodgers didn't see as he was looking to the other side of the field. This brief fleeting moment proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that McCarthy has no accountability for the team's performance. 

Fukking. Genius. 

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Timpranillo posted:
Music City posted:

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See, this is a great point here. 

Let's ignore years and years of dysfunction. Poor offensive game plans, sticking with assistants that are clearly failing for years, unbelievable botching of timeouts for years, a game plan that seemingly cannot be run in anything resembling success by any QB other than the greatest QB in the game, endless backbreaking and embarrassing losses in the playoffs, and overall just a malaise around the entire program.  

Ignore all that shit.  Years and years of data is irrelevant.  

And, let's conveniently ignore that on probably every single play in the NFL one could screen shot an instant where someone was "wide open".

Ignore the reams of examples of McCarthy underperforming year after year after year. Especially ignore that last night, again, he called all of 4 rushing attempts in a half, botched his TOs again, and didn't call for a challenge on an obvious dropped catch.  

Ignore all that shit. 

Because you see, here we have a split second screen shot of someone open that Aaron Rodgers didn't see as he was looking to the other side of the field. This brief fleeting moment proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that McCarthy has no accountability for the team's performance. 

Fukking. Genius. 

Accountability is for people who buy into the whole "facts" thing.

Timpranillo posted:
Music City posted:

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See, this is a great point here. 

Let's ignore years and years of dysfunction. Poor offensive game plans, sticking with assistants that are clearly failing for years, unbelievable botching of timeouts for years, a game plan that seemingly cannot be run in anything resembling success by any QB other than the greatest QB in the game, endless backbreaking and embarrassing losses in the playoffs, and overall just a malaise around the entire program.  

Ignore all that shit.  Years and years of data is irrelevant.  

And, let's conveniently ignore that on probably every single play in the NFL one could screen shot an instant where someone was "wide open".

Ignore the reams of examples of McCarthy underperforming year after year after year. Especially ignore that last night, again, he called all of 4 rushing attempts in a half, botched his TOs again, and didn't call for a challenge on an obvious dropped catch.  

Ignore all that shit. 

Because you see, here we have a split second screen shot of someone open that Aaron Rodgers didn't see as he was looking to the other side of the field. This brief fleeting moment proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that McCarthy has no accountability for the team's performance. 

Fukking. Genius. 

And folks, there's your dagger

quite frankly, i think AR is throwing mm under the bus, but whatever.  mm its time to go.  i see the game plan and there always seems to be a checkdown of some sort that ar MUST fire 200yds downfield, not to mention, the check with me's and he opts out of a run...its ar that's the problem here, but is he just done? - it doesn't matter, heavy is the head that wears the crown and that's mm.

michiganjoe posted:

Here's Wilde's analysis of that play. AR didn't play particularly well but screenshots can be extremely deceptive.

Screen shots can be deceptive, but when looking at Wilde's analysis, I still disagree with him. Pic 1: Rodgers backpedaling immediately looking at the three WRs to his left. All three right off the line are blanketed. Jones starts leaking out. Pic 2: Still looking left but is set like he wants to throw. While we can only see one WR, you can also see the blue jersey right on him. We can assume the other two guys to the left are still covered. Lewis to right is covered although Rodgers doesn't know that. Jones has started to leak out and is all alone at the 16. Pic 3: Rodgers still looking only left. WR closest to him is putting his hands out in front like he wants the ball since he's coming back to LOS and defender is (most likely) on his back. Pocket has lost some shape, but OL still holding up. Jones all alone. Pic 4: Rodgers still has time, but only looking left. You can see Adams about to fake left as a DB waits on him and other WR is covered.  Jones looks like he stepped back toward the line (maybe thought Rodgers was going to come his way?) but is still all alone. Pocket has split with nice throwing lane down the middle. Pic 5: Rodgers still looking left and looks like he wants to throw again. You can see Adams' feet breaking to the right, where in an earlier pic a S was taking away the middle. If Rodgers turns his head right, he easily sees Jones as there's space behind Bulaga. If Rodgers looks right, he not only had Jones but he could have run as Bulaga turned his guy inside and there was no other D out there and Jones would have become a blocker. Pic 6: Jones all alone at the 14/15 and no one is close to him from this view. Rodgers turns left and there's a free D starting to come at him from the front. And then we know what happened...

So, Rodgers had time to almost set to throw twice. Couple of things: 1) Rodgers never even peeks right. Does he not look because it's Lewis out there and he knows Lewis can't get open? 2) Does he just want to force the ball that badly to Adams? 3) Does he only look left because there's three WRs on that side and only Lewis on the right? (weird play that all three could be covered by a small blanket.) 4) Is Rodgers thinking TD or nothing and that's why he looks at only his WRs? 5) Why doesn't Jones move towards the middle a bit and into Rodgers' vision? Jones seems to just hang out on the right. While I understand he's a safety valve, he might have come across to help when Rodgers had to hold the ball so long.

I think it might have been Rodgers thinking TD or bust...     

I'm OK with McStupidface getting fired, the shame of it is he's been a damn good coach and might not be remembered for that.   

I also really like Pettine.  

I think.  

I mean, I think I really like Pettine, but I don't know if he is just the first pretty girl I've met since I got out of prison of if he is just the first real girl.  

The most legit reason I’ve seen why MM will be fired (and no RTFB and ‘we do what we do’ are not legit reasons) is this quote from Tramon:

"Unlike Brady, who to some extent is reliant on the success of the play design, Rodgers can make something out of nothing. But what about when Rodgers makes nothing out of something? Almost every week, there are times when Green Bay’s design yields an open receiver but Rodgers doesn’t attempt the throw. Even more perplexing is when he makes something else out of something. Often the play will work, but he’ll ignore the open receiver and break things down, only to later find a receiver (sometimes even that same one) for a bigger play. When Rodgers’s unstructured approach goes well—which is more often than not—the Packers are impossible to defend. But when it doesn’t go well, they become wildly inconsistent."

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/10...ers-debate-qb-styles

 

Fandame posted:


So, Rodgers had time to almost set to throw twice. Couple of things: 1) Rodgers never even peeks right. Does he not look because it's Lewis out there and he knows Lewis can't get open? 2) Does he just want to force the ball that badly to Adams? 3) Does he only look left because there's three WRs on that side and only Lewis on the right? (weird play that all three could be covered by a small blanket.) 4) Is Rodgers thinking TD or nothing and that's why he looks at only his WRs? 5) Why doesn't Jones move towards the middle a bit and into Rodgers' vision? Jones seems to just hang out on the right. While I understand he's a safety valve, he might have come across to help when Rodgers had to hold the ball so long.

I think it might have been Rodgers thinking TD or bust...     

Grave Digger posted:

The most legit reason I’ve seen why MM will be fired (and no RTFB and ‘we do what we do’ are not legit reasons) is this quote from Tramon:

 

Really? This is your most legit reason? Really? 

Timpranillo posted:
Music City posted:

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See, this is a great point here. 

Let's ignore years and years of dysfunction. Poor offensive game plans, sticking with assistants that are clearly failing for years, unbelievable botching of timeouts for years, a game plan that seemingly cannot be run in anything resembling success by any QB other than the greatest QB in the game, endless backbreaking and embarrassing losses in the playoffs, and overall just a malaise around the entire program.  

Ignore all that shit.  Years and years of data is irrelevant.  

And, let's conveniently ignore that on probably every single play in the NFL one could screen shot an instant where someone was "wide open".

Ignore the reams of examples of McCarthy underperforming year after year after year. Especially ignore that last night, again, he called all of 4 rushing attempts in a half, botched his TOs again, and didn't call for a challenge on an obvious dropped catch.  

Ignore all that shit. 

Because you see, here we have a split second screen shot of someone open that Aaron Rodgers didn't see as he was looking to the other side of the field. This brief fleeting moment proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that McCarthy has no accountability for the team's performance. 

Fukking. Genius. 

Calm the **** down dipshit. The point here is that Rodgers is lost out there. He’s just lost. He’ll flash that old Rodgers but then it’s more dysfunction. 

McCarthy will get all the blame. It isn’t deserved. Rodgers isn’t playing at the level he’s paid to. Is it because of McCarthy? Maybe. And McCarthy will be gone. Everyone understands this now. But whatever happens, Aaron Rodgers must play better. The guy I call the greatest should play like it. Maybe with a new coach, he will. 

And don’t wait to the end. You traded guys who f’ed up or didn’t want to be here, and cut others. You can see there is a schism between McCarthy and Rodgers. Rodgers is calling for it... he wants a galvanizing moment- firing McCarthy would be it. Then we’re right back to Rodgers playing better. If the latter doesn’t happen, they’re in line to draft another top 15 pick... 

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