Or therapeutic
LOL sphelcheck
I don't see how telling the media he "sucks" helps anyone or anything.
He needs to work through this. Losing all confidence will only hurt. Ditto getting booed.
I get it, people are gloomy, but come on. He is still our best chance.
Fandame posted:AR being allowed to trash his receivers by hinting (or saying) he doesn't trust them and they don't run the routes correctly, hasn't helped. His body language went all to heck. When no one stepped up to tell him to stop trashing his teammates and to act like a pro, he was free to think he wasn't the problem. Three hail marys later, he again wasn't the problem -- he was now the savior. Now starting this year, he has been a mess. Mechanically, mentally, whether it's the yips or he's yapping at his teammates, he's the one holding this team back. I'd like to know what he did for summer workout; did he do the same as always? Did he cut back?
When making a screen pass or a pass in the flat or a dump-off to an RB becomes an adventure, as it has for AR, something is clearly off. He's entering Tebow Territory.
I agree on the body language part, but let's be fair. He'd have to start throwing with his left hand to enter Tebow Territory.
He may have a stronger arm than Tebow still throwing left-handed.
He could fart the ball out his ass and throw better than Tebow
Where's Waldo?
In Sheboygan county, on the Onion River.
Entering Tebow territory?
Wow- I think I got 20 times dumber reading that statement.
Watch 12 come out tonight and throw 6 TDs.
"It's not revenge- it's a reckoning"
The perplexing part of this Rodgers Slump / Offensive malaise is the time 12 is getting from the OL in the pocket.
The guy has enough time to bake a cake, ice the cookies, and read Dickens back there.
But maybe that's the problem too. Rodgers is thinking too much, and no one is getting open.
Where have the quick hitter slants and the 3 seconds and ball out throws gone? He also seems to be running less. And now, a running game starring the NAIA all star team ain't going to help the next couple of weeks.
I'm as green and gold blind as anyone, but something's just not right. And is more likely a combination of factors.
End rant. Go Pack
I think it's been mentioned earlier that teams are only rushing 3 or 4, leaving 7 to 8 guys in coverage. So while he has all day to throw, hard for 5 receivers to beat 7 or 8 defenders.
maybe it just seems this way, but it seems when the GBP only rushes 3 guys that the pass is almost always completed to an open receiver...
The middle of the field would probably be open even if they didn't rush anyone.
Maynard posted:I think it's been mentioned earlier that teams are only rushing 3 or 4, leaving 7 to 8 guys in coverage. So while he has all day to throw, hard for 5 receivers to beat 7 or 8 defenders.
Still, even with that many DBs, aren't there matchups that the defenders have to maintain for an eternity? I guess the problem is that with 12 or 13 players out there, the field gets awfully crowded. I would think the routes and receiver spacing would need to be carefully planned against such a defense.
I think that comes back to the play design, and that's what a lot of the frustration with MM is pointed at. It sounds like our receivers run individual routes where they need to beat their man, as opposed to routes that are designed to work together to open someone up. Once their initial route is done then they have to revert to the sandlot football that doesn't seem to be working.
It amazes me when I watch teams with what I think are lesser-talented players constantly getting guys open based on the play designs. Why can't MM adjust like that?
Tschmack posted:Entering Tebow territory?
Wow- I think I got 20 times dumber reading that statement.
Watch 12 come out tonight and throw 6 TDs.
"It's not revenge- it's a reckoning"
"Make no mistake...."
"Why Johnny Fox, you look like someone just danced over your grave."
I hope McCarthy sits down with Aaron before the game tonight.
Hungry5 posted:I hope McCarthy sits down with Aaron before the game tonight.
And does what....shave the ridiculous porn stache from Rodgers and that crappy fat guy beard from MM?
Talks to him.
Who gives a **** if they have facial hair, what does that have to do with ****ing football.
Broken Rodgers... Yeah, whatever happened to that quick slant?
Bowen, McGinn, Dilfer, Warner, Lombardi, yadda, yadda, yadda... they are all saying what we all see, teams have changed how they defend the Packers beginning with the DEN game. Without Jordy defenses could manhandle guys like Cobb and Adams at the LOS. Cobb is a slot guy who could use his speed and smarts to elude the DB. Adams is a clean route runner that typically would beat the other teams #3 db when there was no safety help (that use to go to Nelson). As this change to defending the 11 personnel continued, Rodger's fundamentals suffered. Guys weren't open when the play/Rodgers expected so he and the WRs are off. Add in Lacy's issues last year and teams could focus on stopping Rodgers. Forgetting/losing his fundamentals led to bad habits. School yard play didn't help - success without proper footwork etc... i liken this to the Favre game after Irv's death on MNF v OAK where the receivers caught all the stuff he tossed. Piss poor fundamentals with success is not sustainable. Rodgers had over half of 2015 reinforcing these bad habits in to his game. Now, Nelson is back and Lacy was playing at a level they needed, but bad habits don't go away over night. McCarthy isn't helping with the heavy use of 11-personnel, but when they've mixed up the formations and personnel on the field, he's had success. The coach needs to help him out, give him options and that will help him work through the bad habits. It's not physical, it's mental.
Maynard posted:hard for 5 receivers to beat 7 or 8 defenders.
Especially when you absolutely refuse to design routes to try and get guys open vs it.
Tdog posted:maybe it just seems this way, but it seems when the GBP only rushes 3 guys that the pass is almost always completed to an open receiver...
I've noticed that for years. And what about the Dallas game. It takes Jason Whitten 10 days to run 40 yds. But on third down ,when you know the balls going his way, He's got 10 yds. on the defender.
We used to have plays designed to open up others. But the NFL outlawed the downfield blocking before the receiver caught the ball. I don't remember what game it was last year. Monty caught a TD on such a play and after the game there was bitching about the blocking being illegal. The NFL announced they would crack down on it and it's been down hill ever since.
It's a shame that there are no other scheme designs to get receivers open.
Maynard posted:I think it's been mentioned earlier that teams are only rushing 3 or 4, leaving 7 to 8 guys in coverage. So while he has all day to throw, hard for 5 receivers to beat 7 or 8 defenders.
While other options have been discussed here (slants, screens, etc) AR hasn't been using his legs to run up field either, which would also take away a defender eventually.
Of course, we know why he won't do this, and why he won't plant his feet ever. He's too afraid of getting injured again. It feels like he's playing scared. If he's not afraid of injury, he's afraid of INTs.
We have perfect examples of how to have a high powered offense from the past. Remember when our receivers were all about YAC? Short dump off for 3 yards, 20 YAC. That was what we were known for. Now we're trying to get 15 yards in the air every play, and even when we do, the receiver is tackled almost immediately.
If you dink and dunk it opens up people downfield. We have the players to do this, Janis and Davis are burners. Monty is a huge physical possession WR. But we never play these guys. Cobb is awesome on the slant, but he's always running go routes for some reason.
AR can't seem to hit the broad side of a barn lately but MM isn't helping him out at all either.
Rodgers says his problem is "just accuracy" in this article. However, some of the folks interviewed disagree and agree with what many of us have been saying...
"'Herm Edwards: "He doesn't keep the train on schedule. A quarterback is about keeping the train on schedule, and there's windows of opportunities when he hits his back foot to throw it and he's not throwing it. He's waiting for the big play. We always talk about how he extends plays and his arm talent; he's looking for the big play. [He's saying], 'I can hit the slant, but that's only going to give me 5 yards. If I wait, maybe I'll hit the next window, and it'll be a 20-yard gain.' So the train's not on schedule.'"
[Snip]
"'Matt Bowen: "Technique flaws from his footwork to his core to his balance to his shoulders to his release point. One thing about Aaron Rodgers is, you don't want to take away the magic. He can make throws from, the scouting term is multiple platforms. What I'm seeing on the film, for example, the pass that he missed to Richard Rodgers[against the Cowboys], which was going to be a big play, number one, he looks impatient in the pocket, and this is a very clean pocket. Two, when he throws the ball, his shoulders are open to the target, so he's almost parallel. His feet are in cement. He's not following through, and it's all arm. And because of that, the ball is thrown behind the intended target.'"
[Snip]
How do you fix it?
"Edwards: 'When you're struggling, you go back to basics -- fundamentals, footwork, whatever it may be. I'm sure Mike's telling him that. Whether or not he's listening, I don't know. You've got to go back to the core of how you play the position, regardless of who you are...'"
[Snip]
Tim Hasselbeck: "I think what you say is, 'No more going off the reservation.' That's what Mike Holmgren would say. That's what Andy Reid would coach. The general philosophy is, if you're going to go off the reservation, you better be right. I think what happens is, so many times he goes off the reservation, and it's one of those "did you see that" throws to the end zone and everyone's excited. Now all of a sudden it's like we're going off the reservation, and we're not having any success. So everyone needs to dial it back in and say, 'This is West Coast 101, and this is how this offense works.'"
Just other perspectives, but from the tone of the article, the vast majority of the fault lies at Rodgers' feet.
Kurt Warner was on Rusillo and Kanell today and pretty much had the same sentiments.
It's all upstairs.
I thought this was Munn's fault, which would contradict the upstairs comment.
STFU now.
PackFoo posted:Mcpacker64 posted:Yoko is the one he has to worry about.
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