I think this #1, 2, 3, 4 WR is a bunch of bullshit. I don't care what any perceived number is, all I want is the guy to catch the ball and get some YACs after the catch, be able to block when required and to play smart football.
Grave Digger posted:fightphoe93 posted:Frankly, I thought Lazard emerged as a keeper already. Do I want him as a starter? No, but I think he's a very good #4 WR and adequate #3 receiver. It's the #2 slot they badly need to fill with a quality player.
I actually think, with a good WR coach, that he could develop into a solid #2. His measurables are almost identical to Mike Evans and it seems like he has the right attitude. Obviously measurables aren’t everything, but it just means has the tools to compete at this level. Get him some quality coaching and we might have something.
Measurables aside, Evans is at a whole different level as an athlete and a WR. Maybe Lazard can be a solid 3. Maybe.
It should be noted that Lazard probably was getting more coverage as well due to the rest of the slug crew since he was producing. Yet, it probably wasn't too hard on coverage simply because he was limited to what he could do. Another year under the belt could reveal some interesting results. I still think he's a #3 EZ leaper and that's more than fine.
On a side note, I'm going to laugh if this convert Looney to TE plan works.
How can you say he’s a “better athlete” when they’re measurably an almost identical athlete both in size and measured athleticism? Evans is an obviously better and elite football player, Lazard just finished his rookie UDFA where he did some really good things. He didn’t see as many targets, but Lazard’s stats stack up against other rookies in this class that get praise heaped on them, especially DK Metcalf.
Henry posted:I still think he's a #3 EZ leaper and that's more than fine.
+1
They must find a #2 unless they think EQ can come off IR in 2020? Even so, I hope they can draft one high this year. TT did real good in round 2 with WR selections. (Jordy, Greg Jennings, Cobb)
Grave Digger posted:How can you say he’s a “better athlete” when they’re measurably an almost identical athlete both in size and measured athleticism?
Grave Digger posted:DH13 posted:Music City posted:Adams seemed to be a lost cause, but he developed in year 3.
No. He didn't. He showed a ton of potential and beginning production as a rookie and was playing hurt most of his second season. Anybody who saw him play his first year could see he possessed rare skills. I don't care how many times this has to be repeated. It's a f'ing mission now.
I agree with you, but there were A LOT of people who believed he was a lost cause. Tons of arguments here that he wouldn’t even make the roster during TC of year 3.
Absolutely. And I'll keep wackin the moles with a wooden mallet.
Yay! More ignorance to the obvious that most people weren't very impressed with "Duhvante's" early production. Why is that so damn hard to comprehend?
Adams showed tons his rookie year. The ankle injury in year 2 was huge. We all saw what he did in yr 3 and since.
Just because most weren't impressed doesn't mean they were right.
I don't get it. It's obvious many people had that opinion but you can keep making up the bs that I don't acknowledge that if it makes you clutch your pearls some more. They were wrong then and I'll keep pointing out that they were wrong when they keep repeating it today. Some just refuse to admit the obvious, that those people were wrong, and continue to make themselves look stupid. Takes all kinds.
I think we need to revert back to a little context here. The whole point of this is that MOST people on this board (Clearly not ALL), were down on Adams early in his career. There are plenty of threads to show that in the archives. Obviously, Adams turned into a top 5 WR in the league so MOST of us were completely wrong.
Gary is getting the same treatment by some posters here even though he showed flashes throughout his rookie season. While it was completely off base to call "Duhvante" a bust so early in his career, I believe the same can be said about Gary right now. That's my only point...
Pakrz posted:I think we need to revert back to a little context here. The whole point of this is that MOST people on this board (Clearly not ALL), were down on Adams early in his career. There are plenty of threads to show that in the archives. Obviously, Adams turned into a top 5 WR in the league so MOST of us were completely wrong.
Gary is getting the same treatment by some posters here even though he showed flashes throughout his rookie season. While it was completely off base to call "Duhvante" a bust so early in his career, I believe the same can be said about Gary right now. That's my only point...
Was Gary healthy this year?
Most of us potential in Adams as a rookie, but he was statistically the worst WR in the NFL his second year. It turns out it was because he should have never been on the field due to injury.
Didn't Gary have some shoulder issues coming out?
Pakrz posted:I think we need to revert back to a little context here. The whole point of this is that MOST people on this board (Clearly not ALL), were down on Adams early in his career. There are plenty of threads to show that in the archives. Obviously, Adams turned into a top 5 WR in the league so MOST of us were completely wrong.
That's a myth.
The thing Pakrz is conveniently forgetting in his argument is that I didn't want GB to draft Gary in the first place, lest we forget changing our minds or reasonable thinking is no longer the American way.
El-Nuke-the-Hurricanes-Bong posted:The thing Pakrz is conveniently forgetting in his argument is that I didn't want GB to draft Gary in the first place,
Fair argument.
The Steelers jumped up 1 spot in front of Cinci to draft White.
We talked about it before....Packers were pretty much in no man's land at #12. Cost too much to move up & nobody wanted to give Gutey #12 full value. That's how the draft works. Make your pick as best you can & move on.
This is becoming a tedious conversation. Can't change it -- now it's time to coach up the player & hope he turns out worthy of #12.
Not with Boyle on the roster.
Henry posted:Pakrz posted:I think we need to revert back to a little context here. The whole point of this is that MOST people on this board (Clearly not ALL), were down on Adams early in his career. There are plenty of threads to show that in the archives. Obviously, Adams turned into a top 5 WR in the league so MOST of us were completely wrong.
That's a myth.
I don't think MOST people on the board felt that way, or at least posted that way. As I recall the trolls (Oldstool, maybe Chickenhead) were constantly lighting up the board with pro-Janis and anti-Adams stupidity to bog down threads. There were several people though who thought Adams was pretty worthless though and thought he wouldn't make the roster in that 2016 training camp. I think MOST of the board were disappointed with his injured/ineffective 2015 season and thought he needed a big rebound year to get his career on track.
Boris posted:El-Nuke-the-Hurricanes-Bong posted:The thing Pakrz is conveniently forgetting in his argument is that I didn't want GB to draft Gary in the first place,
Fair argument.
The Steelers jumped up 1 spot in front of Cinci to draft White.
We talked about it before....Packers were pretty much in no man's land at #12. Cost too much to move up & nobody wanted to give Gutey #12 full value. That's how the draft works. Make your pick as best you can & move on.
This is becoming a tedious conversation. Can't change it -- now it's time to coach up the player & hope he turns out worthy of #12.
Assuming most of the teams have roughly the same grades and valuation for players in the first round (yes, I know there are outliers) here are the next 8 players that came off the board after Gary...
Christian Wilkins DT
Chris Lindstrom OG
Dwayne Haskins QB
Brian Burns Edge
Dexter Lawrence DT
Garrett Bradbury C
Jeffery Simmons DT
Noah Fant TE
Packers weren't in the market for a QB at 12
Fant didn't exactly light up the NFL year 1
Burns, Lawrence and Simmons were solid but hardly impact guys
After year 1, it's hard to make the argument the Packers whiffed on Gary, much less they could have gotten a better player in that spot.
R-E-L-A-X
^^This.^^
Drafting at 12 sucks. Let's wait for next year.
for whatever reason Gary was the one guy I didn't want with the #12 pick, it was just pure gut. and when Wilkins was the next guy off the board I had a sad as I woulda been good with him. we'll see how it all turns out but Wilkins might have looked real good next to Kenny....
Wilkins drew his usual start at defensive end Week 17 despite nursing an ankle injury. The 2019 first-round pick played all 16 games of his rookie season, notching 56 tackles (30 solo), two sacks and two defended passes. He also caught a touchdown on a trick play Week 16 against the Bengals. The 24-year-old will be an integral part of Miami's plans on defense for the 2020 season.
It's obvious Gutey looked at every player selected after Gary. Foolish to use hindsight & say..."This guy or that guy"
It's only year 1.....gotta give Gary 2 more
Grave Digger posted:Henry posted:Pakrz posted:I think we need to revert back to a little context here. The whole point of this is that MOST people on this board (Clearly not ALL), were down on Adams early in his career. There are plenty of threads to show that in the archives. Obviously, Adams turned into a top 5 WR in the league so MOST of us were completely wrong.
That's a myth.
I don't think MOST people on the board felt that way, or at least posted that way. As I recall the trolls (Oldstool, maybe Chickenhead) were constantly lighting up the board with pro-Janis and anti-Adams stupidity to bog down threads. There were several people though who thought Adams was pretty worthless though and thought he wouldn't make the roster in that 2016 training camp. I think MOST of the board were disappointed with his injured/ineffective 2015 season and thought he needed a big rebound year to get his career on track.
You need joke counseling. Anytime you read "That's a myth" just imagine Gene Belcher saying it. Do I have to explain everything to the erudite challenged?
I was ragging on Adams endlessly but fuck that VanillaFace RunFastGuy. Again, why would you buy tires from a guy that can't stay on a route?
Anytime you read "That's a myth" just imagine Gene Belcher saying it.
Will Supply Belcher do?