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Are you talking about the oline again?
Gotta believe Cleveland and Dallas are looking for a new coach right away.
MM is going to get another shot somewhere.
Thought this thread was about some street FA the Packers picked up.
Browns just fired their coach. LULZ
Pakrz posted:Browns just fired their coach. LULZ
This reminds me of the Presidential/Congressional election cycles: fire the head coach, two years later draft a QB with your first pick, two years later fire your HC, two years later draft a QB with your first pick .
wash, rinse, repeat
Pakrz posted:Gotta believe Cleveland and Dallas are looking for a new coach right away.
MM is going to get another shot somewhere.
Does anyone care where MM ends up? Could be Carolina or Dallas, both are on our schedule next year, right?
I think we get Philly now that they won their division... not 100% sure on that though.
As for MM, it just seems like Cleveland would be a good fit. Or not.
Wonder if Cleveland wants MM.
Dorsey flexing muscle? Get rid of Freddie or I resign. I need my guy in here.
Freddie should've been terminated during the bye. Not joking.
Christ....what I wouldn't give to have Odell & Landry with Adams on the Packers.
How long would it take before Odell started his antics again? Especially if Rodgers continued to be inaccurate.
Only Y.A. Title could "like" an obviously racist thread.
What about Goldie?
Where is Goldie?
Goalline and Goldie have disappeared.
Coincidence?
...or honeymoon.
PPV on Hallmark? I'm in!
Loved that guy.
Heroic.
Dum dum father and son combo there.
If Rick Monday married Tuesday Weld......
the reception would have to feature a lot of soft food
If Tuesday Weld married Frederick March Jr, sheâd be Tuesday March the 2nd.
Pakrz posted:Browns just fired their coach. LULZ
They will be on their 7th coach since 2012. And still wondering why they can't win.
justanotherpackerfan posted:If Rick Monday married Tuesday Weld......
Wednesday Adams would their love child.
What did you see Monday?
MM is going to go to CLE or WAS and fail miserably. MM apologists will say itâs because it was CLE or WAS.
To be fair, has anybody NOT failed in CLE or WAS not named Joe Gibbs?
Paul Brown in Cleveland?
Hell even Belichick was 5-11 in Cleveland
See my link above. Looks like Rivera in Wash
Well, I didn't want to go to the 40's and 50's, but I hear you!
Pakrz posted:To be fair, has anybody NOT failed in CLE or WAS not named Joe Gibbs?
I mean Schottenheimer got the Browns to playoffs 4/4 years and 2 AFCC games...
Forgot that dude too...
But those Browns are now the Ravens....
BrainDed posted:MM is going to go to CLE or WAS and fail miserably. MM apologists will say itâs because it was CLE or WAS.
Well, he's fit, tan and rested.
Wait, he's tan and rested.
Hell even Belichick was 5-11 in Cleveland
Belichick hadn't perfected his cheating yet.
The #Redskins interview with coach Ron Rivera is more of a coronation. All signs point to Rivera becoming Washingtonâs new coach today, sources say. That is the expectation. Veteran agent Frank Bauer would not allow him on an interview like this unless significant work was done.
â Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) December 30, 2019
Rapoport making sure everyone understands Bruce Allen is FIRED not re-assigned.
Pat Shurmur is gone from NYG
excalibur posted:BrainDed posted:MM is going to go to CLE or WAS and fail miserably. MM apologists will say itâs because it was CLE or WAS.
Well, he's fit, tan and rested.
Wait, he's tan and rested.
Wait, he's rested.
So, the Skins doing the right thing by firing their coach and then the GM.
And then right back to doing the wrong thing by hiring a coach before a GM.
Rivera has to be smarter than just taking this job before 'testing' other waters doesn't he?
The Giants and Browns, who have fired their head coaches within the past 24 hours, still could be making more changes, per league sources. The new head coach in each city is expected to have input on whether the general managers there stay or go. Front office situations fluid.
â Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) December 30, 2019
Dorsey apparently still not in the clear.
So the coach has power over the GM? And this is why the Browns continue to be the factory of sadness.
What a bunch of clownshoes franchises.
michiganjoe posted:The Giants and Browns, who have fired their head coaches within the past 24 hours, still could be making more changes, per league sources. The new head coach in each city is expected to have input on whether the general managers there stay or go. Front office situations fluid.
â Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) December 30, 2019Dorsey apparently still not in the clear.
How does that work? So coaches are interviewing directly with the owners? If that's the case I bet Dorsey is pulling for a McVince hire. What a jacked up scenario.
I read it as simply input, not the final say.
Cowboysâ HC Jason Garrett said on his @1053thefan radio hit that he would meet with team today, then the Jones family.
â Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) December 30, 2019
Shocked if he's back.
The Panthers and Browns both are seeking interviews with Josh McDaniels. If Jacksonville opens up they are almost certain to do the same. Rare year when Pats dont have the bye so no interviews for him this week
â Jason La Canfora (@JasonLaCanfora) December 30, 2019
What do you think the Vikings do if they go down to New Orleans and get blown out of the water?
Blame the refs in the Green Bay game.
michiganjoe posted:The Panthers and Browns both are seeking interviews with Josh McDaniels. If Jacksonville opens up they are almost certain to do the same. Rare year when Pats dont have the bye so no interviews for him this week
â Jason La Canfora (@JasonLaCanfora) December 30, 2019
Dorsey is done if McDaniels gets the job.
What if McDaniels gets the job and then backs out last second cuz family?
Then the Browns would need a GM and a coach.
Probably happen that way for The Factory.
Giants have requested permission to interview Chiefs OC Eric Bieniemy for their head-coaching job, per source. Panthers also have requested interview for Bieniemy.
â Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) December 30, 2019
Not sure if this belongs in Vikings suck or here, but interesting nugget from Charles Robinson. He has a whole thread of black Monday thoughts.
5. As for #Vikings, ownership likes Stefanski a lot. If the team totally craters vs. #Saints, donât rule out significant changes in the face of playoff failure and potentially losing Stefanski. I believe this game matters for Mike Zimmerâs 2020 outlook - not just an extension.
â Charles Robinson (@CharlesRobinson) December 30, 2019
michiganjoe posted:Giants have requested permission to interview Chiefs OC Eric Bieniemy for their head-coaching job, per source. Panthers also have requested interview for Bieniemy.
â Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) December 30, 2019
Real interest or covering the Rooney rule? Does he actually get to call plays there or is Reid running the offense?
So if the Browns cut Dorsey loose what does that mean for Eliot Wolf, and Alonzo Highsmith? Could there be an opening on the Packers for them?
ammo posted:So if the Browns cut Dorsey loose what does that mean for Eliot Wolf, and Alonzo Highsmith? Could there be an opening on the Packers for them?
You have to wonder with Wolf JR why he hasn't landed a GM spot. He was passed up with the most obvious employer he could have in GB and you really don't hear his name being mentioned much. I think Highsmith has some good accomplishments on his resume but it's pretty curious to me that Eliot just hasn't made the jump.
He is pretty young yet. That'd be my guess.
Dorsey should be done regardless of whether or not McDaniels joins the team. Heâs made some terrible personnel and coaching decisions.
I know heâs got a lot of credibility given his past ties to Ron Wolf and Mike Holmgren but they honestly need to blow the whole thing up in Cleveland and start over.
Do the Packers, particularly Gerkin, want them?
Just mentioned on @NFLNetwork: The #Browns have put in a request for #49ers DC Robert Saleh. Not a surprise, heâll be coveted.
â Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) December 30, 2019
MLF's good friend.
CoPackFan posted:Not sure if this belongs in Vikings suck or here, but interesting nugget from Charles Robinson. He has a whole thread of black Monday thoughts.
5. As for #Vikings, ownership likes Stefanski a lot. If the team totally craters vs. #Saints, donât rule out significant changes in the face of playoff failure and potentially losing Stefanski. I believe this game matters for Mike Zimmerâs 2020 outlook - not just an extension.
â Charles Robinson (@CharlesRobinson) December 30, 2019
Which explains exactly why he gave all his starters a nice "bye" vs. the Bears.
Zim's entire head coaching career is probably on the line here. He can definitely get a DC job if he wants it. But his HC days could be over without an excellent showing in New Orleans.
By that I mean, winning or losing on a last second FG, I would consider a good showing.
Maybe MM will hire Zim Dog as his DC if Capers can no longer get out of a chair?
AFAIK....Dom is still on Jacksonville as a defensive assistant. That may change now that Coughlin is gone.
ABC is reporting that the Cokeboys coaching staff has been fired
Weâre told that a member of the staff texted a person close to him, and said âWeâre fired.â The response was âAll of you?â And the response was âYes.â
â Mike Leslie (@MikeLeslieWFAA) December 30, 2019
Interestingly, Jason Garrett has not been fired. His contract ends middle of January I believe. Jerry Jones thing to do is just let the contract run out so he doesn't have a termination on his resume? LOL....funny.
PackerHawk posted:michiganjoe posted:Giants have requested permission to interview Chiefs OC Eric Bieniemy for their head-coaching job, per source. Panthers also have requested interview for Bieniemy.
â Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) December 30, 2019Real interest or covering the Rooney rule? Does he actually get to call plays there or is Reid running the offense?
...and this is why the Rooney rule sucks donkey balls. It just got questioned if this guy is only getting a interview because of his skin color.
Not attacking you, just saying it sucks.
I mean I've heard his name brought up before after Mahommies and the KC offense blew up last year but is that him or Reid? Just wondering if he's running the offense or is he more of a Sherm Lewis under Holmgren?
I would guess a Sherm Lewis but donât know diddly squat about whatâs going on in KC.
CoPackFan posted:Not sure if this belongs in Vikings suck or here, but interesting nugget from Charles Robinson. He has a whole thread of black Monday thoughts.
5. As for #Vikings, ownership likes Stefanski a lot. If the team totally craters vs. #Saints, donât rule out significant changes in the face of playoff failure and potentially losing Stefanski. I believe this game matters for Mike Zimmerâs 2020 outlook - not just an extension.
â Charles Robinson (@CharlesRobinson) December 30, 2019
"Hey Mike, your future is tied to Kirk Cousins having a big performance in a big game."
What could possibly go wrong?
PackerHawk posted:I mean I've heard his name brought up before after Mahommies and the KC offense blew up last year but is that him or Reid? Just wondering if he's running the offense or is he more of a Sherm Lewis under Holmgren?
FWIW from P Kings column today,
One other offensive coach is an interesting case tooâKansas City coordinator Eric Bieniemy. He reminds me of something Bill Parcells told me last year, when teams were hiring lots of young offensive coaches without years of experience. Bieniemy has been an assistant in college and pro football for 21 years, and Andy Reid says heâs one of the best leaders on any staff heâs had. Bieniemy does something unique for Reid: He memorizes the offensive play sheet each week. The Chiefs call plays from Reid to Bieniemy, and Bieniemy calls them into Patrick Mahomes. On my podcast this week (dropping Wednesday), Bieniemy told me why he does it. âIt takes a lot of time,â he said. âBut at the end of the day, I want to make sure I am accountable to the entire coaching staff and to the entire organization. My job is to have the ability to spit those plays out and know everything about them, inside and out. Iâm always talking to our players about the importance of taking work home. Itâs my job to have a completed understanding of everything thatâs on that call sheet.â
âIâve been dreaming about this opportunity [to be a head coach] all my life,â he said. âI feel that I am ready. You want to make sure . . . that people can see how you command a room, how you approach the day-to-day business, how you command everything thatâs taking place within that building, how you deal with people, how you handle each situation that comes up.â Bieniemy is another guy who should talk to multiple teams.
The #Redskins are making Ron Rivera their new coach and giving him a 5-year deal, sources say. A big commitment.
â Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) December 31, 2019
michiganjoe posted:I read it as simply input, not the final say.
Cowboysâ HC Jason Garrett said on his @1053thefan radio hit that he would meet with team today, then the Jones family.
â Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) December 30, 2019Shocked if he's back.
Jerruh will not find a better lapdog and yes man than Garrett.
Baylor HC Matt Rhule declined the chance to interview for the Cleveland Browns head coaching job, per league sources. Rhule is expected to be a leading candidate for the Giantsâ and Panthersâ HC jobs.
â Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) December 31, 2019
Interesting.
I cannot see the name Eric Bieniemy without thinking "Sleeping with".
Thanks Chris Berman.
49ersâ passing-game coordinator Mike LaFleur, the younger brother of Packersâ HC Matt LaFleur, is expected to interview this weekend for Brownsâ head-coaching job, per source.
â Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) December 31, 2019
Nobody wants to interview the highly successful football coach?
#Browns GM John Dorsey has a meeting today with owner Jimmy Haslam and his job status appears to be in serious doubt, sources tell me and @MikeGarafolo. Everything is under evaluation after a disappointing season and that includes the GM.
â Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) December 31, 2019
Was previously very supportive of bringing Dorsey in to assume control. Really glad with the benefit of hindsight that didn't occur.
Browns and John Dorsey are âleaning towardsâ parting ways today, sources tell @mortreport and me, but this is a fluid and not final situation. Dorsey is meeting today with Brownsâ owner Jimmy Haslam to finalize details. Signs pointing to the end for Dorsey.
â Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) December 31, 2019
When has appearing on Hard Knocks ever worked out for the team the following year or two? Cleveland is just the latest in a long line of teams that got built up only to fail miserably.
If you are a head coach or GM why would you ever think you can change the culture of a team when the owner is a micromanaging idiot? Haslem, Synderbrenner, Jerruh to name a few.
Memo to those candidates interested in Cleveland - when you have changed out the coach or GM about a dozen times in as many years you might want to steer clear of those opportunities. This is why I seriously question the intelligence of guys like Highsmith and Dorsey and Wolf. I mean, did they think this would turn out any differently?
Yo Ron Rivera - good luck in Washington. Better luck trying to find a GM now that Synderbrenner hand picked the HC. You may have been a highly successful businessman and maybe even feature a smoke show wife but your football acumen and self awareness is atrocious. The same as it ever was.
Then there is Dallass. Of course they will retain Garrett. Jerruh can treat him like a lap dog. Who gives a shit about winning. Thatâs secondary to Jerruh and his postgame pressers like heâs a star player or the goddamn coach. What a debacle.
Thank God the Packers hired Gute and MLF.
What a freakin' train wreck The Browns are. MM will fail miserably without a decent GM if he were to be hired there. I am not saying that has to be Dorsey, but does anyone have any faith the factory of sadness will replace someone better then him?
Mess.
Haslem is the problem there. Just like Snyder, Jerruh, etc.
I'm LMAO if they get rid of the guy that put all that talent together.
MM was supposed to have an interview with Cleveland. Already had 2 interviews with Carolina.
Gutey....hasn't had too many poor moves so far. Nice job! Please keep it going.
In addition to Carolina and Cleveland, I thought I read the Giants were interested in interviewing MM as well.
John Dorsey is out as the Brownsâ GM, per source.
â Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) December 31, 2019
Two sides couldnât come to an agreement on a future re-structure of the organization.
There it is.
Donât waste any time Gute, bring that guy back into the fold. I donât like his track record for bringing in POSâs like Hill and Hunt, but the guy is a great talent evaluator. He can leave Alonzo and Eliot in Cleveland though, weâre fine without them.
I don't know much about Dorsey's personality but I wonder if his ego would allow him to work under Gute?
He worked under Ted. Itâs a little awkward working under someone you were previously above, but isnât that kind of life in the NFL? Also Ted now works for a guy he trained technically, although I doubt he does much work anymore. Teams always want to hire young up and comers, so Iâm sure this happens all the time. But yeah I mean we donât really know Dorsey, heâs a Wisconsin native, heâs worked for the Packers, and heâs just been released from his 2nd team in like 3 years. Heâs either going to take a break and collect his severance or hide somewhere for a couple years.
He'll be still collecting a check from Cleveland for two years. My guess is he takes it easy unless the right offer comes along.
#Browns assistant GM Eliot Wolf remains in place, sources say. At least for now, anyway.
â Mike Garafolo (@MikeGarafolo) December 31, 2019
Man, trying to come up with a bigger pratfall from preseason darlings to 6-10 and a fired GM and coach.
Since 1999 when they returned to Cleveland. 20 years. Browns will have had 10 different GMs and 12 different head coaches.
Somehow things haven't worked out.
michiganjoe posted:Was previously very supportive of bringing Dorsey in to assume control. Really glad with the benefit of hindsight that didn't occur.
Is it Dorsey though or is it the Browns? He did build a great team in KC and assembled a lot of talent in Cleveland that just flamed out. I gotta think if he was allowed to bring in his coach things might have gone differently. Seems like if you keep him away from managing the cap he's a solid GM.
Not our problem, though!
Who had the most success in Cleveland in recent years? Our DC Mike Pettine!
PackerHawk posted:michiganjoe posted:Was previously very supportive of bringing Dorsey in to assume control. Really glad with the benefit of hindsight that didn't occur.
He did build a great team in KC and assembled a lot of talent in Cleveland that just flamed out.
Gotta be some sort of a personality issue as well, doesn't it?
PackerHawk posted:Is it Dorsey though or is it the Browns?
A bit of both as far as I'm concerned. Browns' ownership is a disaster but I didn't care for quite a few of Dorsey's personnel decisions.
McGinn was blasting Murphy the past couple of years for not bringing Dorsey before he went to Cleveland. he kept saying how much Dorsey wanted to be in Green Bay and Murphy screwed it up. Two firing in three years for Dorsey is not how to build a resume. I was suprised Andy Reid could not work witih him.
It was kind of a goofy setup in KC where they shared personnel decisions.
these owners are living in a Twilight Zone. So Garrett has no idea if he's still employed and the assistants were told they were all fired, maybe.
WTF
The #Cowboys meeting with Jason Garrett lasted less than an hourâĶ and everyone left with no resolution. https://t.co/pc4bdVjFY1
â Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) December 31, 2019
I would say this is sarcasm, but the way these 3 stooges of the NFL operate (Jerruh, Danny, Haslem) it's probably not.
Jason Garrett is just going to meet with Jerry Jones for two hours a day every day with no resolution until September at which point he will walk directly to the stadium and start coaching the opener.
â Kevin Clark (@bykevinclark) December 31, 2019
with no contract. Just a handshake.
Bears fire four assistants, including OC. and Lions can six assistants.
michiganjoe posted:PackerHawk posted:Is it Dorsey though or is it the Browns?
A bit of both as far as I'm concerned. Browns' ownership is a disaster but I didn't care for quite a few of Dorsey's personnel decisions.
Agree, BUT we donât know how hands on Jimmy and Dee Haslam have been with Dorsey. For all we know word came from them to sign Kareem Hunt or draft Mayfield. Theyâve run U of TN into the ground with meddling in coaching and AD hires, so Iâm inclined to give Dorsey the benefit of the doubt.