Obviously, when Burnett went out it impacted HaHa as well.
So I was watching Inside the NFL last night and they are the latest bunch of buffoons to unanimously pick the Falcons. I love it when they underestimate the Packers LOVE it.
DH13 posted:Morgan Burnett is one of the most valuable players on this team. He seems to be underrated a lot, possibly because he doesn't make enough splash plays that people expect.
I think he is rated exactly right. I would classify him as one of the better,maybe the best, Strong Safeties in the NFL, same for Dix. That's the problem though is that they're both Strong Safeties and neither is a quality Free Safety. They're interchangeable, which is great, but both guys make their living supporting the run and plucking easy INTs. Pair either guy up with Nick Collins or Earl Thomas and you have the best Safety tandem in the NFL. When Burnett is playing SS he's elite, when he's the FS he's pretty average.
Agree on Burnett and HaHa both being good strong safeties. Will be interesting to see how Brice comes along...maybe move Burnett to Swiss Army knife and play Brice at FS, the guy has top shelf speed for the position. Add a vet CB and this defense is way better.
The Heckler posted:So I was watching Inside the NFL last night and they are the latest bunch of buffoons to unanimously pick the Falcons. I love it when they underestimate the Packers LOVE it.
Yeah, last week the Cowboys were the best team. The Packers beat that team. Now, the Falcons are the best. If the Packers win this week no one will give them a chance in the Super Bowl either. Yeah well.
Grave Digger posted:DH13 posted:Morgan Burnett is one of the most valuable players on this team. He seems to be underrated a lot, possibly because he doesn't make enough splash plays that people expect.
I think he is rated exactly right. I would classify him as one of the better,maybe the best, Strong Safeties in the NFL, same for Dix. That's the problem though is that they're both Strong Safeties and neither is a quality Free Safety. They're interchangeable, which is great, but both guys make their living supporting the run and plucking easy INTs. Pair either guy up with Nick Collins or Earl Thomas and you have the best Safety tandem in the NFL. When Burnett is playing SS he's elite, when he's the FS he's pretty average.
Completely agree. Neither one has the instincts / speed to be great Free Safeties
Brice has the physical pieces, it remains to be seen if he has the smarts needed for FS. Nick Collins had elite instincts and could bait QBs into throwing in his direction or he would diagnose fast and steal the ball. If you could take Micah Hyde's instincts and put them in Brice's body you would have a great FS. Right now Brice is just a goon back there throwing his body around recklessly.
IL_Pack_Fan posted:michiganjoe posted:Starter cut by Carolina after Julio torched him for 300 yards.
To be fair, only 220 of the yards were counted against him in coverage.
And I know Carolina is predominantly a zone team, but maybe if they'd been able to make any adjustments it would have helped.
Grave Digger posted:Brice has the physical pieces, it remains to be seen if he has the smarts needed for FS. Nick Collins had elite instincts and could bait QBs into throwing in his direction or he would diagnose fast and steal the ball. If you could take Micah Hyde's instincts and put them in Brice's body you would have a great FS. Right now Brice is just a goon back there throwing his body around recklessly.
[derail] Which is why I'm not sold on Jabril Peppers at the next level The guy is electric with the ball or making a play on the ball, but I'm not sure he has the instincts to consistently make plays on the ball. [underail].
Guys like Earl Thomas, Ed Reed, etc. are so very rare.
Grave Digger posted:Brice has the physical pieces, it remains to be seen if he has the smarts needed for FS. Nick Collins had elite instincts and could bait QBs into throwing in his direction or he would diagnose fast and steal the ball. If you could take Micah Hyde's instincts and put them in Brice's body you would have a great FS. Right now Brice is just a goon back there throwing his body around recklessly.
Yeah, but he's our goon! 
I always get nervous when the media, talking heads, and NFL replays ignore the other team.
ESPN finally decided to not ignore the Falcons, and here's what they say: Matt Ryan > Aaron Rodgers?
Statistically speaking, whatever. The defense just needs to pressure Ryan and force interceptions. The Falcons are without one of their best pass rushers, and Rodgers can dance around the pocket better than anybody. The Atlanta defense cannot cover our receivers for eight seconds, period.
Go Pack Go!
Yeah, because Matty could roll and throw a 36-yard bullet into a 12-inch window while on the move. 
No doubt Ryan has had a great year, but it takes someone special to do what Rodgers has done over and over again, year after year.
http://profootballtalk.nbcspor...onship-game-picks-4/
Worth the read this time. Florio says "I am stupid, .....". Can't pass up honesty like that.
Just saying ..........
FLPACKER posted:Grave Digger posted:DH13 posted:Morgan Burnett is one of the most valuable players on this team. He seems to be underrated a lot, possibly because he doesn't make enough splash plays that people expect.
I think he is rated exactly right. I would classify him as one of the better,maybe the best, Strong Safeties in the NFL, same for Dix. That's the problem though is that they're both Strong Safeties and neither is a quality Free Safety. They're interchangeable, which is great, but both guys make their living supporting the run and plucking easy INTs. Pair either guy up with Nick Collins or Earl Thomas and you have the best Safety tandem in the NFL. When Burnett is playing SS he's elite, when he's the FS he's pretty average.
Completely agree. Neither one has the instincts / speed to be great Free Safeties
I don't care how you title them. Our D takes a big hit whenever 42 is off the field. Our defensive staff has made similar comments over the last couple years. He's the QB for the secondary, if not the whole D. His versatility vs the run and pass closes a lot of gaps that get exposed when he's out. People need to look beyond the stats.
DH13 posted:FLPACKER posted:Grave Digger posted:DH13 posted:Morgan Burnett is one of the most valuable players on this team. He seems to be underrated a lot, possibly because he doesn't make enough splash plays that people expect.
I think he is rated exactly right. I would classify him as one of the better,maybe the best, Strong Safeties in the NFL, same for Dix. That's the problem though is that they're both Strong Safeties and neither is a quality Free Safety. They're interchangeable, which is great, but both guys make their living supporting the run and plucking easy INTs. Pair either guy up with Nick Collins or Earl Thomas and you have the best Safety tandem in the NFL. When Burnett is playing SS he's elite, when he's the FS he's pretty average.
Completely agree. Neither one has the instincts / speed to be great Free Safeties
I don't care how you title them. Our D takes a big hit whenever 42 is off the field. Our defensive staff has made similar comments over the last couple years. He's the QB for the secondary, if not the whole D. His versatility vs the run and pass closes a lot of gaps that get exposed when he's out. People need to look beyond the stats.
Both Ha-Ha and Burnett are good safeties. They are not on Nick Collins level, but that may not be a fair comparison. If the two safeties play with good/great CBs they have a lot more freedom to make plays. If they have to constantly worry about covering up for guys getting torched or making mental errors, they end up cleaning up mistakes instead of making plays.
Nick Collins played with Charles Woodson and Tramon Williams as starting CBs.
These guys right now are playing with Randall (who's either hurt or is just a deer in the headlights player right now) and whoever the team can patch up or pull off the UDFA heap.
I don't think anyone is pointing to his stats. I don't disagree that he's a quality player, his absence was felt for sure. I don't think he's being overrated or underrated though, that was my only point. He's great at some things, average at others.
Troy posted:The Heckler posted:So I was watching Inside the NFL last night and they are the latest bunch of buffoons to unanimously pick the Falcons. I love it when they underestimate the Packers LOVE it.
Yeah, last week the Cowboys were the best team. The Packers beat that team. Now, the Falcons are the best. If the Packers win this week no one will give them a chance in the Super Bowl either. Yeah well.
Won't matter who is the AFC rep in the SB. The Packers will be the favorite.
Mike McCarthy says #Packers safety Morgan Burnett and Jordy Nelson will work with the on-field rehab group today.
McCarthy said he doesn't have enough information to assess his level of concern with the wide receiver group. Nelson, Adams, Allison, Janis.
McCarthy said the #Packers are comfortable with the players they have here. He shot down the idea of getting outside help.
Ghost of Lambeau posted:http://profootballtalk.nbcspor...onship-game-picks-4/
Worth the read this time. Florio says "I am stupid, .....". Can't pass up honesty like that.
Just saying ..........
I hope everyone keeps touting the falcons, Rodgers luck has to run out, banged up secondary and wrs. This team is now playing like games are theirs to win, no matter how ugly it might look. That and McCarthy's success rate in rematch games are intangibles that aren't getting a whole lot of play this week. Matty ice will be MVP. But there's a level of playoff experience he can't match to this point. On paper, the Pack looks overmatched on the road. But after this run, when many including myself had just about given up on this squad, I won't be betting against them.
Grave Digger posted:DH13 posted:Morgan Burnett is one of the most valuable players on this team. He seems to be underrated a lot, possibly because he doesn't make enough splash plays that people expect.
I think he is rated exactly right. I would classify him as one of the better,maybe the best, Strong Safeties in the NFL,
I don't think Burnett is elite on a league level. You wouldn't put him in the Reed/Butler category. He's a fine player, and maybe the current SS crop is just weak.
I think the best FS on this team might be Damarious Randall.
Ghost of Lambeau posted:http://profootballtalk.nbcspor...onship-game-picks-4/
Florio says "I am stupid, .....". Can't pass up honesty like that.
Just saying ..........
Thanks....now we're jinxed. Damn Florio
IL_Pack_Fan posted:I think the best FS on this team might be Damarious Randall.
Depends if we're talking about 15Randall or 16Randall. As a rook he showed an eagerness to take guys on and make a tackle. He was a lot more physical than he has shown this year. I know he's battling injuries but I don't know how much those injuries are eroding his desire to tackle. He also showed the ability as a rook, with a little development, to be a #1CB.
And I know Carolina is predominantly a zone team, but maybe if they'd been able to make any adjustments it would have helped.
Well, they did have Dom Capers for four seasons.
Maybe I'm old fashioned but wtf does Madden Simulation have to do with reality? Damned thing called for a Janis touchdown on a regular route/play.
As long as it doesn't end like this:
Then Ryan did what he does best.
On a 4th and 19 near midfield, with only 46 seconds left to save Atlanta’s season, the veteran QB fired a 46-yard pass to Aldrick Robinson deep in the end zone for the game-winning TD.
Something like that would never happen against the pack 
Does Madden account for coaching?
#domfense
I see this as being an even tougher contest than we had with them in the regular season. Like most of us I worry about our secondary. However, we have somehow managed to slow the other team just enough to let Aaron outscore opponents. Morgan's injury does not bode well because he is so good close to LOS and thereby allow for dime coverage. Our MLB's have struggled in that role. Burnett even played in the LB role a few times this season. Dallas almost came back after Burnett left the game and we had to rely on replacements.
I remember that we had LB coverage and got burned on the game winning pass TD the last time we played Atlanta. I see Brice as possibly a good up and coming player with good speed. I don't see him ready yet for the big game.
And then I read today that if it were the regular season many of our starting WR's would not be cleared to play. I remember a hobbled Adams last year. It was not pretty.
"Our plan is set," McCarthy said. "And if these guys make it, then it'll be a bonus."
Out scoring Atlanta will be tough under these conditions.
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I'll go with the standard. If GBP doesn't turn the ball over and limits them to under 100 yards rushing, the GBP will win. football is football. an experienced playoff team vs a southern easy schedule flashy offensive team? I'll take the GBP.
and yet still, it's just a game, and I'm looking forward to the entertainment, and oh what a table this has been.
Coach posted:
Wow, I live in South Carolina, I did not know that Atlanta even had pro football fans!
I just thought they were piped in.
limit rushing? who cares. limit scores. score more points. win.
Well Mike is telling the media he's not changing his game plan just because Jordy, Adams and Geronimo might not be able to play, which tells me he is changing the game plan because Jordy, Adams and Geronimo won't be able to play.
Who knows really, but I would not be surprised to see some 2 TE sets, with the Ripper and Monty in the backfield and a single wideout. Get the lead the usual way, then get our ground game going and control the clock.
Everyone is expecting a shootout. Don't give it to them.
Sunday is Green Bay's Super Bowl. If they manage to beat Atlanta as dinged up as they are with several key players they will boat race either AFC team with two weeks of rest.
Thanks to the week 4 bye. Sunday is Green Bay's 16th straight game without a week off. Atlanta had a bye in week 11 and a first round bye. GB has to be running on fumes right now.
If Jordy, Adams, and Burnett were closer to healthy I think GB wins Sunday. Even without them, or with them at 60% I think GB is in this game the entire time. But it's going to take a near perfect game to beat Atlanta and Aaron might have to be a little better than he's been. And I really think GB is going to need Michael to contribute Sunday.