Hungry5 posted:I trust Gutekunst.
I like what he has done. I am not as sure about Murphy. But time will tell if this new system he has created is the best one.
From the captain obvious files...
Here are our special team rankings since 2012...uggh
2018: 32nd
2017: 16th
2016: 29th
2015: 17th
2014: 32nd
2013: 20th
2012: 12th
Some ST coaches demand some of their starters play ST. Would be interesting to look at top ranked teams to see who plays on ST and also their injury situations .
Pikes Peak posted:Hungry5 posted:Fired by Zook should be a positive, right?
Not if he knew the Zooker
It is a pawsitive.....Zookie Monster was probably worried about him taking Zooks job
DH13 posted:Some ST coaches demand some of their starters play ST. Would be interesting to look at top ranked teams to see who plays on ST and also their injury situations .
And some teams (including the Packers) have players that only play on STs. Some players my not do well in their stated position yet excell on STs. Janis! Goodson and Jervey comes to mind for GB. I would like the STs to be emphasized more. If that means starters, then so be it. But some players are best suited to play the wild and crazy role on special teams.
They are still position players and may be called upon if injuries require.
See Janis v ARI, Bush in SB 45.
Hungry5 posted:They are still position players and may be called upon if injuries require.
See Janis v ARI, Bush in SB 45.
Yes indeed they were. Thatâs a plus. Yet, they were primarily special teams players who were later released because of inability at their stated positions. My hope is that we find a special teams coach who can get the best out of marginal players and sprinkle in some starters to bring that aspect of the Packers into larger success. A good STs coach could do that. Thatâs why I am frustrated with the the historical lack of focus in this area. I am ok with some starters on special teams but also hope that we keep some players whose primary duty is STs.
I believe Janis was released because he was a One Hit Wonder and was figured out on STs. His speed was all he had.
Bush had a long and productive career w/ GB. His NFL career ended because of age and a 10 game suspension after GB decided not to re-sign him. He did spend some time in the CFL.
ST coach success is predicated on the HC willingness to make it a priority. Zook taking a CBS studio gig before he was shit canned is everything you need you need to know how bad MM was at coaching every aspect of his team. Mike fired Slocum and then things became worse. Zook really sucked. But Mike was the real problem.
Mike Smith hired as Outside Linebackers coach. Was at KC last season.
But not the Mike Smith who was HC of ATL.
I'd make sure the medical staff checks his depth perception first.
Wes welker is reported to be considered for WR coach.
Bill Michaels is interviewing MLF Tue @ 10:05am LFT (Lambeau Field Time) on WSSP The Fan in Milwaukee etc.
https://1057fmthefan.radio.com...ls-show-tuesday-1005
Itâs official. Graham Herrell is the new Offensive Ccordinator at USC.
Good for him. Former Texas Tech coach as well. Not to mention SB XLV Champion. Was he third stringer then?
Kliff Kingsbury we hardly knew ye...
Yes he was GBLA. Matt Flynn was backup to AR.
ESPN's @AdamSchefter broke the news that the Packers were hiring Matt LaFleur... to Matt LaFleur!
From @RealSportsHBO: https://t.co/LwRTVZEhMUpic.twitter.com/NlrBoULPsE
â The Power Sweep (@ThePowerSweep) January 28, 2019
Right, because MLF said "I don't know what you're talking about" that meant he didn't know he had the job? 
More lilkely they offered and MLF accepted. They then told him to not saying anything (especially to a reporter) until they got back to him as they needed to let the other candidates know they didn't have the gig. That's how we handle hiring/informing candidates that didn't get the job.
#Packers officially announce that they have hired former WRs coach Luke Getsy to coach quarterbacks under Matt LaFleur. Getsy left for one year to be offensive coordinator at Mississippi St.
â Tom Silverstein (@TomSilverstein) January 29, 2019
#Packers are retaining Ben Sirmans as RBs coach.
â Zach Kruse (@zachkruse2) January 29, 2019
michiganjoe posted:#Packers officially announce that they have hired former WRs coach Luke Getsy to coach quarterbacks under Matt LaFleur. Getsy left for one year to be offensive coordinator at Mississippi St.
â Tom Silverstein (@TomSilverstein) January 29, 2019#Packers are retaining Ben Sirmans as RBs coach.
â Zach Kruse (@zachkruse2) January 29, 2019
I wonder if Luke Getsy will have the quarterbacks throw bricks and juggle balls?
So media outlets are reporting the LaFleur hiring by the Packers. Is it official yet?
#Packers are expected to hire Colorado State WRs coach Alvis Witted for the same position in Green Bay, sources said. Witted played in the NFL for nine seasons and among the WRs he has coached at Colorado State are Rashard Higgins and Michael Gallup.
â Tom Silverstein (@TomSilverstein) January 30, 2019
#Packers coach Matt LaFleur has interviewed Vanderbilt special teams coach Shawn Mennenga and it appears the former asst. special teams coach with the #Browns has emerged as the top candidate to replace Ron Zook. Mennenga was on Mike Pettine's staff, so it's likely he had input.
â Tom Silverstein (@TomSilverstein) January 30, 2019
From JSonline:
The Packers ranked 32nd in former Dallas Morning News columnist Rick Gosselinâs annual special teams rankings, which weighs all the key special teams statistics and creates a point value based on the final numbers
*snippity snip*
Rizzi and LaFleur hit it off, the source said, but Rizzi left town without the offer he thought was forthcoming. Although the Packers met his number several days later, the source said, he decided to pull himself out of the running. He is expected to land with another NFL team.
Who is the money man in these negotiations? Is this another ****ing Dwight Schrute special? **** that guy.
Henry posted:From JSonline:
The Packers ranked 32nd in former Dallas Morning News columnist Rick Gosselinâs annual special teams rankings, which weighs all the key special teams statistics and creates a point value based on the final numbers
*snippity snip*
Rizzi and LaFleur hit it off, the source said, but Rizzi left town without the offer he thought was forthcoming. Although the Packers met his number several days later, the source said, he decided to pull himself out of the running. He is expected to land with another NFL team.
Who is the money man in these negotiations? Is this another ****ing Dwight Schrute special? **** that guy.
I'm not sure exactly what Rizzi's thing is but I doubt it's just the money. Says he wasn't interested in going back to Miami, likely feeling scorned after not getting the HC job. He certainly has the credentials but to me he sounds pouty and not very flexible. If the Packers met his number and he decided to walk away he's either stubborn or there's other issues. Maybe the cold scared him off? Who knows, f**k him, movin' on.
Per source, Dolphins decided to move on from Darren Rizzi, and Rizzi - after not getting Dolphins head coaching job - wasn't interested in returning, anyway. He's in advanced talks with another team.
â Barry Jackson (@flasportsbuzz) January 29, 2019
I really donât know a darn thing about this guy. I donât know if he is any good. But he canât be much worst that that Raih fella. In any case itâs a new face in the room and a guy with experence coaching young receivers.
On so called âSpecial Teamsâ a favorite has emerged...again. https://profootballtalk.nbcspo...rviews-with-packers/
another link.
ST is a hard position to fill, because not everyone is good at it...I think that's why most teams will accept someone like Zook for so long, because "it could always be worse."
So once you find a guy, you better hang on to him.
Mennenga may well be great, or he may be another Zook. You gotta roll the dice to find out.
At least he's been a ST coach. Was Zook ever a ST coach?
Packers interviewed Vandy special teams coordinator Shawn Mennenga, and he could be the favorite to replace Ron Zook. He's no Darren Rizzi, but at least he's not a failed retread (Mike Stock) or the assistant to a terrible coordinator (Shawn Slocum and Zook).
â Michael Rodney (@PackersNotes) January 30, 2019
Biggest issue with the previous coach was his commitment to special teams was just lip service. MM always seemed more concerned about finding a scapegoat for the ST failures rather than a fix.
Henry posted:At least he's been a ST coach. Was Zook ever a ST coach?
Iâm not sure what Zook did in Green Bay could even be considered coaching.
You just summed up the last 3 years of McVince's tenure. MJ, not you.
Per Wilde, Bak said he wasn't fully ready to agree with the entire "complacency" thing with GB over the past few years he did say he was constantly miffed that players would be constantly late to meetings, practice, flights and nothing was ever done about it.
The last three years was a collection of people going through the motions. Murphy should have shredded everything two years ago.
michiganjoe posted:Biggest issue with the previous coach was his commitment to special teams was just lip service. MM always seemed more concerned about finding a scapegoat for the ST failures rather than a fix.
You can add committing to the running game as more lip service. Season after season.
Remember McStubborn's infamous "we're going to the run the damn ball!" he said right before TC.
Ya. That didn't happen.
Henry posted:From JSonline:
The Packers ranked 32nd in former Dallas Morning News columnist Rick Gosselinâs annual special teams rankings, which weighs all the key special teams statistics and creates a point value based on the final numbers
*snippity snip*
Rizzi and LaFleur hit it off, the source said, but Rizzi left town without the offer he thought was forthcoming. Although the Packers met his number several days later, the source said, he decided to pull himself out of the running. He is expected to land with another NFL team.
Who is the money man in these negotiations? Is this another ****ing Dwight Schrute special? **** that guy.
I don't understand the love that the org has for Ball. Time to move on or at least reduce his role.
ChilliJon posted:Per Wilde, Bak said he wasn't fully ready to agree with the entire "complacency" thing with GB over the past few years he did say he was constantly miffed that players would be constantly late to meetings, practice, flights and nothing was ever done about it.
The last three years was a collection of people going through the motions. Murphy should have shredded everything two years ago.
If this is not complacency, I would say they're pretty good indicators.
Ubetcha posted:ChilliJon posted:Per Wilde, Bak said he wasn't fully ready to agree with the entire "complacency" thing with GB over the past few years he did say he was constantly miffed that players would be constantly late to meetings, practice, flights and nothing was ever done about it.
The last three years was a collection of people going through the motions. Murphy should have shredded everything two years ago.
If this is not complacency, I would say they're pretty good indicators.
Yah, Ubetcha. Vince would have fined or canned their butts.