NFL Network and others report Matt LaFleur new Packers Head Coach

LOL.  VanillaFace RunFastGuy takes a dump on McVince and why Rodgers is such a meanie. 

* The ire of Aaron Rodgers
* #Packers archaic route concepts
* Capitalizing on opportunities but confusingly never getting more
* #Browns culture under Hue
* Being a cult hero & having no idea why

Brilliant @jrjanis appearance on @DavisMattek show: https://t.co/dgtRe37DJT

— Evan Silva (@evansilva) January 30, 2019

Janis says Rodgers was "stern" on the field.  Try running the right route without getting completely blown off the route.  

McVince's offense was archaic and everyone knew it.  It should've been a tip off when opposing DBs were giving Janis pointers on how to run the right routes.

You're a cult hero because you're VanillaFace RunFastGuy.  You make fans feel safe with your folksy *white* looks and good Midwestern *white* values.

packerboi posted:

You can add committing to the running game as more lip service. Season after season. 

Remember McStubborn's infamous "we're going to the run the damn ball!" he said right before TC.

Ya. That didn't happen. 

What was MM's big revelation after self scouting during bye week in 2018?

We need to run the ball more.

Thank you Captain Obvious. I don't remember seeing a bigger commitment to run after that, but plenty of platooning.

Maybe DBs were giving him tips on running routes because...he just wasn't any good at it.

BrainDed posted:

I don't understand the love that the org has for Ball.   Time to move on or at least reduce his role. 

This shift in the viewpoint towards the Ball and others in the FO has been kind of hilarious. Prior to the front office reorg, some likely forgot Russ Ball was still a part of the organization and there was near universal praise of him as one of top cap guys in the NFL and he was a big reason why the team stayed so consistent with the cap for so many years. Now any time there's a rumor, implication, or hint of money talk the reaction is that Ball is a roadblock and needs to go. The truth is, we don't really know what Ball does beyond negotiate contracts and run the non-football organizational operations. I seriously doubt he had any input at all into the process of hiring Rizzi or any coaches. Oh sure there's been talk that Ball is a rigid negotiator (which he didn't set requirements for contracts btw, he still worked for the GM at that time) and rumors that TT brought him into the football ops side more and more, but there's no categorically no reason to hate Russ Ball. I mean you obviously can if you want to, but we know so little about him and what he does, I'm not sure how anyone can have an opinion either way. 

ChilliJon posted:

Per Wilde, Bak said he wasn't fully ready to agree with the entire "complacency" thing with GB over the past few years he did say he was constantly miffed that players would be constantly late to meetings, practice, flights and nothing was ever done about it. 

The last three years was a collection of people going through the motions. Murphy should have shredded everything two years ago. 

and the lack of discipline showed all over the place.
you can't run a team without being demanding, your way or the highway, no exceptions, consequences for actions/inactions.

so glad MM is gone, can't believe he let the team become such a circus.

Pretty clear now that the complete housecleaning was way overdue. Think the complacency extended to both Murphy and Thompson as well. 

Grave Digger posted:

BrainDed posted:

I don't understand the love that the org has for Ball.   Time to move on or at least reduce his role. 

This shift in the viewpoint towards the Ball and others in the FO has been kind of hilarious. Prior to the front office reorg, some likely forgot Russ Ball was still a part of the organization and there was near universal praise of him as one of top cap guys in the NFL and he was a big reason why the team stayed so consistent with the cap for so many years. Now any time there's a rumor, implication, or hint of money talk the reaction is that Ball is a roadblock and needs to go. The truth is, we don't really know what Ball does beyond negotiate contracts and run the non-football organizational operations. I seriously doubt he had any input at all into the process of hiring Rizzi or any coaches. Oh sure there's been talk that Ball is a rigid negotiator (which he didn't set requirements for contracts btw, he still worked for the GM at that time) and rumors that TT brought him into the football ops side more and more, but there's no categorically no reason to hate Russ Ball. I mean you obviously can if you want to, but we know so little about him and what he does, I'm not sure how anyone can have an opinion either way. 

Dwight Schrute hit the radar when it became known that Uncle Tranny Ted was leaning on him for a lot of personnel input to the point Ball thought he could be GM of the Packers after TT was dismissed.  That alone is one aspect where TT really slipped a gear.  

So Dwight rightfully gets the heat because we all know Murphy wasn't paying attention.  I don't think it's too outlandish to think the Assistant VP of Player Jock Requistioning would be involved in salary considerations for players and coaches.  Could it be entirely on Murphy?  Sure, considering how the HC hunt went and subsequent rambling press conference but I'm sure Dwight had his beet stained hands in on it.

Tdog posted:

ChilliJon posted:

Per Wilde, Bak said he wasn't fully ready to agree with the entire "complacency" thing with GB over the past few years he did say he was constantly miffed that players would be constantly late to meetings, practice, flights and nothing was ever done about it. 

The last three years was a collection of people going through the motions. Murphy should have shredded everything two years ago. 

and the lack of discipline showed all over the place.
you can't run a team without being demanding, your way or the highway, no exceptions, consequences for actions/inactions.

so glad MM is gone, can't believe he let the team become such a circus.

Combo of the shipshow in Seattle and his brother's death in my view...

Good luck Meningitis.  We'll be watching. 

Bears, beats, battlestar gallactica.

Henry posted:

Dwight Schrute hit the radar when it became known that Uncle Tranny Ted was leaning on him for a lot of personnel input to the point Ball thought he could be GM of the Packers after TT was dismissed.  That alone is one aspect where TT really slipped a gear.  

So Dwight rightfully gets the heat because we all know Murphy wasn't paying attention.  I don't think it's too outlandish to think the Assistant VP of Player Jock Requistioning would be involved in salary considerations for players and coaches.  Could it be entirely on Murphy?  Sure, considering how the HC hunt went and subsequent rambling press conference but I'm sure Dwight had his beet stained hands in on it.

But it didn't become known that he was leaning on him for input, only that Ball had been attending meetings and learning the personnel side for a potential promotion. It's not outlandish to think he was involved perhaps at some level, but it's one thing to be notified and another to make a decision. Ball can say "I think $5 million per year is too much for a STs coach...", but he doesn't pick the coaching staff. He doesn't have the power to overrule the GM or HC on staffing hires, if LaFleur wanted Rizzi and Rizzi wanted to be in GB then it would be so. 

I'm not trying to defend Ball, but there has been a crazy amount of hyperbole and revisionism going on with Packer fans lately. You would think this team was 0-16 and has been for the entirety of McCarthy's tenure. 

I prefer "Mennengina" personally.

He can't be any worse than ZOOK!!!! and if he is, fire him after the season. Real simple solution.

If that was the prevailing attitude -- "Late by five minutes? Hey, no big deal." "Late by 10 minutes? Ah, these things happen." "Late by 30 minutes? Geez, can you be on time for the meeting starting in an hour? No? Oh, okay." -- I can see why MM had to go, along with most of the other coaches. Not all things have to be "my way or the highway" as a coach should take input from some veterans on negotiable items, but to allow small things to slip like being late is just opening the door to other, bigger things slipping. Catch the small stuff, punish the big wrongs, ask for perfection, demand accountability, and you'll be surprised how much better this team will be in short order.

exactly.

5 nasty Hog-mollies on the OL wouldn’t hurt either. Uncle Milt perusing the slobs at the Sr Bowl to find the gems the same way I search out the perfect pork shoulder to smoke at the store. It’s a glorious thought. 

Grave Digger posted:

I'm not trying to defend Ball, but there has been a crazy amount of hyperbole and revisionism going on with Packer fans lately. You would think this team was 0-16 and has been for the entirety of McCarthy's tenure. 

#domcaperssucks

Henry posted:

LOL.  VanillaFace RunFastGuy takes a dump on McVince and why Rodgers is such a meanie. 

 

* The ire of Aaron Rodgers
* #Packers archaic route concepts
* Capitalizing on opportunities but confusingly never getting more
* #Browns culture under Hue
* Being a cult hero & having no idea why

Brilliant @jrjanis appearance on @DavisMattek show: https://t.co/dgtRe37DJT

— Evan Silva (@evansilva) January 30, 2019

 

Janis says Rodgers was "stern" on the field.  Try running the right route without getting completely blown off the route.  

McVince's offense was archaic and everyone knew it.  It should've been a tip off when opposing DBs were giving Janis pointers on how to run the right routes.

You're a cult hero because you're VanillaFace RunFastGuy.  You make fans feel safe with your folksy *white* looks and good Midwestern *white* values.

Henry looks like you've taken yourself out of the running for cult  hero status!😁

Grave Digger posted:

BrainDed posted:

I don't understand the love that the org has for Ball.   Time to move on or at least reduce his role. 

This shift in the viewpoint towards the Ball and others in the FO has been kind of hilarious. Prior to the front office reorg, some likely forgot Russ Ball was still a part of the organization and there was near universal praise of him as one of top cap guys in the NFL and he was a big reason why the team stayed so consistent with the cap for so many years. Now any time there's a rumor, implication, or hint of money talk the reaction is that Ball is a roadblock and needs to go. The truth is, we don't really know what Ball does beyond negotiate contracts and run the non-football organizational operations. I seriously doubt he had any input at all into the process of hiring Rizzi or any coaches. Oh sure there's been talk that Ball is a rigid negotiator (which he didn't set requirements for contracts btw, he still worked for the GM at that time) and rumors that TT brought him into the football ops side more and more, but there's no categorically no reason to hate Russ Ball. I mean you obviously can if you want to, but we know so little about him and what he does, I'm not sure how anyone can have an opinion either way. 

"Russ Ball was still a part of the organization and there was near universal praise of him as one of top cap guys in the NFL and he was a big reason why the team stayed so consistent with the cap for so many years."

That's one way to look at.  Under the cap.  Yipee.    The problem is we were under the cap and lacking talent because we refused to fill holes via FA.   Part of that falls on Ball.   There was that article that pointed out how stubborn he was / is to negotiate with.  To the point that some agents didn't even bother working with him at all.    

Now we hear that coaching candidate walked away and my guess is it hand to do with the contract negotiations.     This guy has had too much influence for too long.    

I'm sure your opinion will suddenly change when he is ousted.   Just like it did with Hawk, Capers, TT and now MM.  

Grave Digger posted:

Henry posted:

Dwight Schrute hit the radar when it became known that Uncle Tranny Ted was leaning on him for a lot of personnel input to the point Ball thought he could be GM of the Packers after TT was dismissed.  That alone is one aspect where TT really slipped a gear.  

So Dwight rightfully gets the heat because we all know Murphy wasn't paying attention.  I don't think it's too outlandish to think the Assistant VP of Player Jock Requistioning would be involved in salary considerations for players and coaches.  Could it be entirely on Murphy?  Sure, considering how the HC hunt went and subsequent rambling press conference but I'm sure Dwight had his beet stained hands in on it.

But it didn't become known that he was leaning on him for input, only that Ball had been attending meetings and learning the personnel side for a potential promotion. It's not outlandish to think he was involved perhaps at some level, but it's one thing to be notified and another to make a decision. Ball can say "I think $5 million per year is too much for a STs coach...", but he doesn't pick the coaching staff. He doesn't have the power to overrule the GM or HC on staffing hires, if LaFleur wanted Rizzi and Rizzi wanted to be in GB then it would be so. 

I'm not trying to defend Ball, but there has been a crazy amount of hyperbole and revisionism going on with Packer fans lately. You would think this team was 0-16 and has been for the entirety of McCarthy's tenure. 

So you think Mayo LaFrog says he wants this guy and it just happens?  Do you really think Mayo is calling the shots on the numbers?  That's ****ing crazy.  Ball and Murphy are part and parcel of the same fail tree and need to stay in their ****ing lanes. 

You know what my first memory of Russ Ball is?  Him running the New Orleans salary cap right into the shitter.  I never understood the praise this guy got when he came to Green Bay.  The fact he could write a contract for the occasional FA and deftly manage all those pre-set rookie contracts is truly awe inspiring.  I didn't think much about the clown because he wasn't pulling a repeat performance of his other masterful contract negotiations with other teams. 

When said knucklehead not only started to have more influence on personnel decisions and his aspirations for the GM position that's when it went too far.  And yes, the banter that Dwight was involved with personnel decisions occurred even before TT got shitcanned.  

So there is zero revisionist history in my statements.  None.  All there is is an unveiling of the truth 3 years removed and it's worse than thought.  He's a flunky money guy who should know his ****ing place.  Again, I can't remotely imagine Murphy and Ball having zero input into contract numbers.  That's insane.  The top two guys running this organization are a Goodell stooge and C+ math student of a cap guy.  So basically both of them can **** right off.  He's basically Dubya.  Dwight Dubya Schrute.

And as far as McVince's sad ass, when things come to light it's fair game.  Watching the past three years this team was a 3-13 team with one big difference, Rodgers.  ****, how many more players need to come out saying McVince completely lost it and did nothing to remedy it.  Hey, great start McVince.  You won the SuperBowl with an astronomical talent and supporting cast.  Looked like things were cruising along and then you, along with TT losing his ****ing mind in regards to Dubya Schrute,  shit on a good chunk of HOF QB career.  Jesus, The Wizard alone should've been a huge red flag and when it all came to light it was 100 times worse than expected.  So yeah, the great McVince, peer of Belichek and Lombardi is a ****ing fraud.  

We’re all going to beat this MM stuff to the ground for years. But what’s done is done. Gute and Milt. That’s all that matters now. Rodgers has 5 good years in him. Go win some Lombardi’s and we can all sort out this MM bullshit down the road. 

BrainDed posted:

 

BrainDed posted:

I don't understand the love that the org has for Ball.   Time to move on or at least reduce his role. 

"Russ Ball was still a part of the organization and there was near universal praise of him as one of top cap guys in the NFL and he was a big reason why the team stayed so consistent with the cap for so many years."

That's one way to look at.  Under the cap.  Yipee.    The problem is we were under the cap and lacking talent because we refused to fill holes via FA.   Part of that falls on Ball.   There was that article that pointed out how stubborn he was / is to negotiate with.  To the point that some agents didn't even bother working with him at all.    

Now we hear that coaching candidate walked away and my guess is it hand to do with the contract negotiations.     This guy has had too much influence for too long.    

I'm sure your opinion will suddenly change when he is ousted.   Just like it did with Hawk, Capers, TT and now MM.  

I could not agree with this point any more.

The Packers spent 8 years riding the 2010 Super Bowl win and mostly Aaron Rodgers into complacency.

Excuses were made for way over paid nobodies like Hawk. Dom was called a Great coach by the highly successful head coach. And the fan base was told that sticking with our own and avoiding free agency like the plague made Thompson a genius.

The whole facade has now come crumbling down and no other NFL team has any interest in Ted or Mike or Dom.

Henry posted:

Grave Digger posted:

Henry posted:

Dwight Schrute hit the radar when it became known that Uncle Tranny Ted was leaning on him for a lot of personnel input to the point Ball thought he could be GM of the Packers after TT was dismissed.  That alone is one aspect where TT really slipped a gear.  

So Dwight rightfully gets the heat because we all know Murphy wasn't paying attention.  I don't think it's too outlandish to think the Assistant VP of Player Jock Requistioning would be involved in salary considerations for players and coaches.  Could it be entirely on Murphy?  Sure, considering how the HC hunt went and subsequent rambling press conference but I'm sure Dwight had his beet stained hands in on it.

But it didn't become known that he was leaning on him for input, only that Ball had been attending meetings and learning the personnel side for a potential promotion. It's not outlandish to think he was involved perhaps at some level, but it's one thing to be notified and another to make a decision. Ball can say "I think $5 million per year is too much for a STs coach...", but he doesn't pick the coaching staff. He doesn't have the power to overrule the GM or HC on staffing hires, if LaFleur wanted Rizzi and Rizzi wanted to be in GB then it would be so. 

I'm not trying to defend Ball, but there has been a crazy amount of hyperbole and revisionism going on with Packer fans lately. You would think this team was 0-16 and has been for the entirety of McCarthy's tenure. 

So you think Mayo LaFrog says he wants this guy and it just happens?  Do you really think Mayo is calling the shots on the numbers?  That's ****ing crazy.  Ball and Murphy are part and parcel of the same fail tree and need to stay in their ****ing lanes. 

You know what my first memory of Russ Ball is?  Him running the New Orleans salary cap right into the shitter.  I never understood the praise this guy got when he came to Green Bay.  The fact he could write a contract for the occasional FA and deftly manage all those pre-set rookie contracts is truly awe inspiring.  I didn't think much about the clown because he wasn't pulling a repeat performance of his other masterful contract negotiations with other teams. 

When said knucklehead not only started to have more influence on personnel decisions and his aspirations for the GM position that's when it went too far.  And yes, the banter that Dwight was involved with personnel decisions occurred even before TT got shitcanned.  

So there is zero revisionist history in my statements.  None.  All there is is an unveiling of the truth 3 years removed and it's worse than thought.  He's a flunky money guy who should know his ****ing place.  Again, I can't remotely imagine Murphy and Ball having zero input into contract numbers.  That's insane.  The top two guys running this organization are a Goodell stooge and C+ math student of a cap guy.  So basically both of them can **** right off.  He's basically Dubya.  Dwight Dubya Schrute.

And as far as McVince's sad ass, when things come to light it's fair game.  Watching the past three years this team was a 3-13 team with one big difference, Rodgers.  ****, how many more players need to come out saying McVince completely lost it and did nothing to remedy it.  Hey, great start McVince.  You won the SuperBowl with an astronomical talent and supporting cast.  Looked like things were cruising along and then you, along with TT losing his ****ing mind in regards to Dubya Schrute,  shit on a good chunk of HOF QB career.  Jesus, The Wizard alone should've been a huge red flag and when it all came to light it was 100 times worse than expected.  So yeah, the great McVince, peer of Belichek and Lombardi is a ****ing fraud.  

You’re so full of crap. I KNEW RUSS BALL WAS LAME WHEN HE WAS HIRED...I DEFINITELY FOLLOWED OTHER TEAMS SALARY CAP GUYS ALL THROUGH THE 2000’s. He ran GB’s salary cap just fine because that was his job. It was rumor, again rumor, that he was involved in any personnel decisions beyond his own lane, the fact that he sat in on meetings to broaden his skills for a possible promotion is one of the least controversial things I can think of. I believe that’s called professional development. 

The coach hires his staff, that’s how the NFL works. The FO steps in maybe when you want to hire some dirtbag that would make the organization look bad, but there’s a reason why nepotism is so prevalent in coaching...HCs hire their own staffs. I know it’s popular right now to present conspiracy theories about Mark Murphy and his malevolant incompetence, but it’s just ridiculous. If LaFleur wanted Rizzi and Rizzi wanted GB then it would be so, Russ Ball played no part in it. 

Theres so much ****ing revisionism it’s silly. McCarthy has always been ****ing loser, TT’s method was always crap, blah blah blah, and everyone here KNEW IT at the time. 

I did

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The genius speaks. 

Stick to the narrative. AR would have 10 rings now if he hadn’t been held back by horrible coaching. 

Stick to the facts. He has one and he’s had horrible coaching. 

Don't know much about Ball but I remember hearing rumor that MM said: "if Russ Ball is GM I quit".

That's when Gute rose to the top. 

Sufferinginmn posted:

Henry posted:

LOL.  VanillaFace RunFastGuy takes a dump on McVince and why Rodgers is such a meanie. 

 

* The ire of Aaron Rodgers
* #Packers archaic route concepts
* Capitalizing on opportunities but confusingly never getting more
* #Browns culture under Hue
* Being a cult hero & having no idea why

Brilliant @jrjanis appearance on @DavisMattek show: https://t.co/dgtRe37DJT

— Evan Silva (@evansilva) January 30, 2019

 

Janis says Rodgers was "stern" on the field.  Try running the right route without getting completely blown off the route.  

McVince's offense was archaic and everyone knew it.  It should've been a tip off when opposing DBs were giving Janis pointers on how to run the right routes.

You're a cult hero because you're VanillaFace RunFastGuy.  You make fans feel safe with your folksy *white* looks and good Midwestern *white* values.

Henry looks like you've taken yourself out of the running for cult  hero status!😁

I'm the white version of "Everybody Hates Chris".

ChilliJon posted:

We’re all going to beat this MM stuff to the ground for years. But what’s done is done. Gute and Milt. That’s all that matters now. Rodgers has 5 good years in him. Go win some Lombardi’s and we can all sort out this MM bullshit down the road. 

I'm pretty hopeful about the new FOOTBALL operations side of things.  I just have zero faith in any remaining VP in this organization.  They already failed.  Not sure why they should get any benefit of the doubt until they prove otherwise.

Grave Digger posted:

Henry posted:

Grave Digger posted:

Henry posted:

Dwight Schrute hit the radar when it became known that Uncle Tranny Ted was leaning on him for a lot of personnel input to the point Ball thought he could be GM of the Packers after TT was dismissed.  That alone is one aspect where TT really slipped a gear.  

So Dwight rightfully gets the heat because we all know Murphy wasn't paying attention.  I don't think it's too outlandish to think the Assistant VP of Player Jock Requistioning would be involved in salary considerations for players and coaches.  Could it be entirely on Murphy?  Sure, considering how the HC hunt went and subsequent rambling press conference but I'm sure Dwight had his beet stained hands in on it.

But it didn't become known that he was leaning on him for input, only that Ball had been attending meetings and learning the personnel side for a potential promotion. It's not outlandish to think he was involved perhaps at some level, but it's one thing to be notified and another to make a decision. Ball can say "I think $5 million per year is too much for a STs coach...", but he doesn't pick the coaching staff. He doesn't have the power to overrule the GM or HC on staffing hires, if LaFleur wanted Rizzi and Rizzi wanted to be in GB then it would be so. 

I'm not trying to defend Ball, but there has been a crazy amount of hyperbole and revisionism going on with Packer fans lately. You would think this team was 0-16 and has been for the entirety of McCarthy's tenure. 

So you think Mayo LaFrog says he wants this guy and it just happens?  Do you really think Mayo is calling the shots on the numbers?  That's ****ing crazy.  Ball and Murphy are part and parcel of the same fail tree and need to stay in their ****ing lanes. 

You know what my first memory of Russ Ball is?  Him running the New Orleans salary cap right into the shitter.  I never understood the praise this guy got when he came to Green Bay.  The fact he could write a contract for the occasional FA and deftly manage all those pre-set rookie contracts is truly awe inspiring.  I didn't think much about the clown because he wasn't pulling a repeat performance of his other masterful contract negotiations with other teams. 

When said knucklehead not only started to have more influence on personnel decisions and his aspirations for the GM position that's when it went too far.  And yes, the banter that Dwight was involved with personnel decisions occurred even before TT got shitcanned.  

So there is zero revisionist history in my statements.  None.  All there is is an unveiling of the truth 3 years removed and it's worse than thought.  He's a flunky money guy who should know his ****ing place.  Again, I can't remotely imagine Murphy and Ball having zero input into contract numbers.  That's insane.  The top two guys running this organization are a Goodell stooge and C+ math student of a cap guy.  So basically both of them can **** right off.  He's basically Dubya.  Dwight Dubya Schrute.

And as far as McVince's sad ass, when things come to light it's fair game.  Watching the past three years this team was a 3-13 team with one big difference, Rodgers.  ****, how many more players need to come out saying McVince completely lost it and did nothing to remedy it.  Hey, great start McVince.  You won the SuperBowl with an astronomical talent and supporting cast.  Looked like things were cruising along and then you, along with TT losing his ****ing mind in regards to Dubya Schrute,  shit on a good chunk of HOF QB career.  Jesus, The Wizard alone should've been a huge red flag and when it all came to light it was 100 times worse than expected.  So yeah, the great McVince, peer of Belichek and Lombardi is a ****ing fraud.  

You’re so full of crap. I KNEW RUSS BALL WAS LAME WHEN HE WAS HIRED...I DEFINITELY FOLLOWED OTHER TEAMS SALARY CAP GUYS ALL THROUGH THE 2000’s. He ran GB’s salary cap just fine because that was his job. It was rumor, again rumor, that he was involved in any personnel decisions beyond his own lane, the fact that he sat in on meetings to broaden his skills for a possible promotion is one of the least controversial things I can think of. I believe that’s called professional development. 

The coach hires his staff, that’s how the NFL works. The FO steps in maybe when you want to hire some dirtbag that would make the organization look bad, but there’s a reason why nepotism is so prevalent in coaching...HCs hire their own staffs. I know it’s popular right now to present conspiracy theories about Mark Murphy and his malevolant incompetence, but it’s just ridiculous. If LaFleur wanted Rizzi and Rizzi wanted GB then it would be so, Russ Ball played no part in it. 

Theres so much ****ing revisionism it’s silly. McCarthy has always been ****ing loser, TT’s method was always crap, blah blah blah, and everyone here KNEW IT at the time. 

My, what a hissy for the young lad.  No more sugar for you!  

So Russ Ball didn't run the New Orleans salary cap into the shitter?  See, the reason why I know this is his mismanagement was actually an example used in a story about how management of the cap had shifted and why guys like TT and the Rooneys were building through the draft.  Lo and behold, Dwight shows up on our doorstep.  I didn't get it but I had faith in the FO to basically make his past failures moot considering how the cap was approached in Green Bay.

Maybe you and drunk cowboy icon guy can take a media class to learn about the miracle of the information age and this new profession called "sports reporting".  Did you think I set a flag to pick up any Russ Ball news?  "Dubya+cap+beets+failure".  Besides I put all my recent efforts into Russian McVincebots.  

As far as TT, I still think he was a great personnel guy.  I have nothing but respect for the guy but he did make some grave missteps at the end.  McVince, I was done with that guy after the 2017 season.  As you know, I heartily defended McVince because I truly thought he was a top tier coach.  2017 completely destroyed that illusion.  This last year was just a 2 ton cherry on top of the shit heap.  So you have this generalized faith in a HC even though the whole Wizard thing doesn't quite make sense.  He wouldn't be the first coach to hang onto an assistant past his expiration date.  Then you watch this clown try to run the exact same offense with Hundley only to figure out weeks into the Hundley era that running the ball is actually more effective.  I was actually looking forward to see what McVince could do with that kind of adversity.  Not expecting much, not even worried about the playoffs.  What happens?  He fails all by himself.  No Rodgers to lean on or to blame.  Straight up, individual belly flop of failure.  Yet, when the post-mortem comes, because, you know he was fired for being incompetent, you do see the whole picture and realize the time frame of dick tripping was that much more extensive.  

So this brings things back around to the buffoonery supposedly running this organization, including your bro Dwight.  Because you know what was really needed when the organization was going to shit?  Personnel training wheels for Dwight Dubya Schrute.  

You're killin' it Mose. 

1. Dwight and Mose ran a successful beet farm, so you just paid me a complement.

2. You haven’t even begun to see how hard I can hissy, ma’am. You and I were agreeing too much Hank, we gotta spice things up every now and then. Russ Ball is looking more and more like a fun hill to die on, I’m gonna take the opportunity now. 

SteveLuke posted:

BrainDed posted:

 

BrainDed posted:

I don't understand the love that the org has for Ball.   Time to move on or at least reduce his role. 

"Russ Ball was still a part of the organization and there was near universal praise of him as one of top cap guys in the NFL and he was a big reason why the team stayed so consistent with the cap for so many years."

That's one way to look at.  Under the cap.  Yipee.    The problem is we were under the cap and lacking talent because we refused to fill holes via FA.   Part of that falls on Ball.   There was that article that pointed out how stubborn he was / is to negotiate with.  To the point that some agents didn't even bother working with him at all.    

Now we hear that coaching candidate walked away and my guess is it hand to do with the contract negotiations.     This guy has had too much influence for too long.    

I'm sure your opinion will suddenly change when he is ousted.   Just like it did with Hawk, Capers, TT and now MM.  

I could not agree with this point any more.

The Packers spent 8 years riding the 2010 Super Bowl win and mostly Aaron Rodgers into complacency.

Excuses were made for way over paid nobodies like Hawk. Dom was called a Great coach by the highly successful head coach. And the fan base was told that sticking with our own and avoiding free agency like the plague made Thompson a genius.

The whole facade has now come crumbling down and no other NFL team has any interest in Ted or Mike or Dom.

Maybe it's somewhere in between.  Go ****ing figure. 

Grave Digger posted:

1. Dwight and Mose ran a successful beet farm, so you just paid me a complement.

2. You haven’t even begun to see how hard I can hissy, ma’am. You and I were agreeing too much Hank, we gotta spice things up every now and then. Russ Ball is looking more and more like a fun hill to die on, I’m gonna take the opportunity now. 

I believe in your power to hissy.  Go get 'em son.  

If you're not careful I'm going to start defending Ron Zook. You've been warned. 

Zookie Monster!! RRRRAWWWWRRRR

A thread that is supposed to be about the Green Bay Packers new head coach certainly has gone down the shitter.

It's a boring time, gotta talk about something. 

looks like Rizzi preferred the Big Easy over Lambeau and is going to run the special teams for the Saints. 

Is no one talking about Shawn Mendes being hired as Special Teams coordinator?