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I thought we'd create a general catch all thread as the new CBA comes to reality and along with it, some significant changes. To the surprise of many around the NFL, significant progress is already being made.

Among the things that seem to be pretty much agreed to:

If and when a transformational collective bargaining agreement is finalized -- and there is now mounting optimism it could be done sometime in the next week -- it is expected to change the NFL's playoff structure as it is currently constituted for next season, league sources told ESPN.

Under the current CBA proposal that NFL owners are pushing for, the playoff field would be expanded to seven teams from each conference, while the regular season would be increased to 17 games per team and the preseason shortened to three games per team, sources said.

As part of the proposed playoff format, only one team from each conference would receive a first-round bye as opposed to the two that currently do, league sources said. That would mean a revised postseason schedule that includes six games on wild-card weekend, with three on Saturday and three on Sunday.

The changes to the NFL's playoff format would take effect for the 2020 season, assuming the new CBA is ratified beforehand. Had the proposed format been in place this past season, the Los Angeles Rams and Pittsburgh Steelers would have been the next teams included in the expanded playoff field.

"That's been agreed to for a long time," one source familiar with the CBA talks said about the NFL's new playoff structure. "There wasn't a lot of disagreement to that issue."

Additionally, the players on teams that earn a first-round bye will receive postseason pay for that weekend. That was not the case under the current CBA, which has always rankled some players.

Now the sides are trying to work through the final issues, including getting the players to sign off on a 17-game regular season. That has yet to be agreed to, and it would not take effect until 2021 at the earliest.

As part of the deal now on the table, players would go from a 47% revenue share under the current deal to 48% share at 16 games, and then to a 48.5% share if they go to 17 games, shifting $5 billion of revenue to the players' side.



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So with the NFL expanding playoff teams to 14, that means you have roughly a 43-44 percent chance of making the playoffs no matter what. 

In the NBA, 16 out of 30 teams make the playoffs. 

The new playoff format would mean more 8-8 and maybe even 7-9 teams get in. I am not sure I am thrilled with that, but surprise, surprise, it's all about $$$

Oh, and 3 preseason game is still way the fuck too many. 

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packerboi posted:

So with the NFL expanding playoff teams to 14, that means you have roughly a 43-44 percent chance of making the playoffs no matter what. 

In the NBA, 16 out of 30 teams make the playoffs. 

The new playoff format would mean more 8-8 and maybe even 7-9 teams get in. I am not sure I am thrilled with that, but surprise, surprise, it's all about $$$

Oh, and 3 preseason game is still way the fuck too many. 

I am solidly on the fence if I really want to see more playoff teams.  Sure some years you will get the occasional 10-6 or 11-5 team get in but you are right we are going to be seeing potentially quite a few average teams making it. One of the main reasons I am not a huge NBA fan is because the regular season is watered down and more than half the teams make the playoffs.  So I don't want the NFL going in that direction but you are right its all about the $$$$$.  

Paying RBs is such a tough quandary for teams.  Their careers are so short so giving them a cap crippling contact is a tough decision.  I would love to see Jones get extended I think he deserves it but you have to decide if you put that money into a RB or not.  

Iโ€™m actually opposed to increasing to 17 games.  Mostly because of health reasons and also while the players get a little more money, itโ€™s the already rich owners who line their pockets.  I wrote Mark Murphy about this and received a prompt response from him. Basically he said heโ€™s concerned about the quality of pre-season play and they need to do something about it.  Reading between the lines - thereโ€™s more money to be made with a regular season game.  

I tried to write Roger Goodell. There is absolutely no way on the nfl website to contact the commissioner.  I was really upset at the comment made by both the commissioner and Michael Bidwell โ€˜we have listened to the fans and they want another game.โ€™  There have been no surveys, open discussion, etc with anyone.  After trying several search engines, I found an email address for the commissioner and wrote him. Iโ€™ve heard nothing back.  

My big problem is that the owners want the 17th game as a cash grab, but will make further concessions to the players when it comes to minicamp, OTA's, training camp and in season practices. Probably going to see even fewer padded or full contact practices and a lot different offseason schedule. Maybe that will work, but I tend to think any reduction in quality practice time will water down the product in games. 

I see lots of problems with the 17th game.  16 teams get an extra home game, how much will that factor into the playoffs?   Sure they will rotate the extra home game each season but the guys won't be happy.  And when it comes to the playoffs, will they reseed after each round?  What about rosters? The players have always said they want an expanded roster if the NFL goes to 17 games.  I see lots of work to get this CBA finalized.

ammo posted:

I see lots of problems with the 17th game.  16 teams get an extra home game, how much will that factor into the playoffs?   Sure they will rotate the extra home game each season but the guys won't be happy.  And when it comes to the playoffs, will they reseed after each round?  What about rosters? The players have always said they want an expanded roster if the NFL goes to 17 games.  I see lots of work to get this CBA finalized.

Maybe they'll do one neutral site game for each team? 16 chances to expand the fanbase. 

Baby Steps -- They want 18 games but players are probably flat out against it.

When is the bye week? Yeah that's gone I guess. The best team in each conference has a YOOOOOGE advantage when receiving the playoff bye now. Best is, if seed #7 upsets seed #2, then has to go play #1 after #1 had 1 week of rest. Pretty unlikely a #7 seed can make it to & win it all.

Why not 18 games? 2 pre-season games & 16 teams (8 in each conference) At least that evens it all out instead of this odd 7th team.

Like I said......Baby Steps

ammo posted:

I see lots of problems with the 17th game.  16 teams get an extra home game, how much will that factor into the playoffs? ....

MichiganPacker2 posted: 

Maybe they'll do one neutral site game for each team? 16 chances to expand the fanbase. 

My immediate thought is the league will use the extra game to play in international venues. Mexico City, London, Toronto perhaps?
Granted, the logistics would likely mean nothing additional than what is already scheduled this upcoming season, but in the future, it would sure seem to be right down ol' Rog's alley. I think that's the legacy he seeks.

MichiganPacker2 posted:
ammo posted:

I see lots of problems with the 17th game.  16 teams get an extra home game, how much will that factor into the playoffs?   Sure they will rotate the extra home game each season but the guys won't be happy.  And when it comes to the playoffs, will they reseed after each round?  What about rosters? The players have always said they want an expanded roster if the NFL goes to 17 games.  I see lots of work to get this CBA finalized.

Maybe they'll do one neutral site game for each team? 16 chances to expand the fanbase. 

I do not think they will do a neutral site game as the home team would lose out on the revenue generated in ticket, merchandise and beverage sales. If they want to expand fan bases they should eliminate the cable exclusivity mandates so other teams can be seen in one team's home area.

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Timmy! posted:
ammo posted:

I see lots of problems with the 17th game.  16 teams get an extra home game, how much will that factor into the playoffs? ....

MichiganPacker2 posted: 

Maybe they'll do one neutral site game for each team? 16 chances to expand the fanbase. 

My immediate thought is the league will use the extra game to play in international venues. Mexico City, London, Toronto perhaps?
Granted, the logistics would likely mean nothing additional than what is already scheduled this upcoming season, but in the future, it would sure seem to be right down ol' Rog's alley. I think that's the legacy he seeks.

I think you are spot on, Timmy! Watch that extra game be played outside the USA. Goodell's real agenda, IMO, is for the NFL to be a year round spectacle, trying to supplant Soccer, with no real off season and it's presence expanded across the globe. Europe, Japan, China, Mexico, Australia, Canada and South America....

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PA green & gold posted:

Iโ€™m actually opposed to increasing to 17 games.  Mostly because of health reasons and also while the players get a little more money, itโ€™s the already rich owners who line their pockets.  I wrote Mark Murphy about this and received a prompt response from him. Basically he said heโ€™s concerned about the quality of pre-season play and they need to do something about it.  Reading between the lines - thereโ€™s more money to be made with a regular season game.  

I tried to write Roger Goodell. There is absolutely no way on the nfl website to contact the commissioner.  I was really upset at the comment made by both the commissioner and Michael Bidwell โ€˜we have listened to the fans and they want another game.โ€™  There have been no surveys, open discussion, etc with anyone.  After trying several search engines, I found an email address for the commissioner and wrote him. Iโ€™ve heard nothing back.  

No way Goodall has listened to the fans. He listens to the owners.

There is also the issue of the calendar.  Does this push opening weekend before Labor day or weekend of?  Or the SB into the second weekend of Feb? 

Everything about the current format works very well and fits together cleanly.  32 teams -2 conferences, 4 divisions of 4 teams, 16 games.  That's nice math.  Kickoff the fall season the weekend after labor day when everyone's done with summer, wrap it up a month after the holidays.  I think anything beyond this starts to really stretch the majority of viewers' football attention span.

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