NFL New CBA General Discussion Thread

Chongo posted:

ammo posted:

This whole debate is too funny.  To say NFL players deserve free lifetime health care and yet the push is on to take away lifetime health care for Congressmen, Senators, Federal Judges, Etc.  Who is really more important to the country?   Let's get real here. 

It's not about who is more important, it's about who has a greater risk of long term chronic health issues. I don't hear about politicians lives being wrecked by  carpal tunnel syndrome.

That said, I wouldn't personally push for removing life-time health care from congressman, senators, etc.

Did you ever think of the necessity for silicon injections after all that lip service?  

ammo posted:

This whole debate is too funny.  To say NFL players deserve free lifetime health care and yet the push is on to take away lifetime health care for Congressmen, Senators, Federal Judges, Etc.  Who is really more important to the country?   Let's get real here. 

They are our servants.  They should get the same retirement and health care the people get.  Social Security.

And we should treat them like maids and butlers, not like they're our superiors.

phaedrus posted:

ammo posted:

This whole debate is too funny.  To say NFL players deserve free lifetime health care and yet the push is on to take away lifetime health care for Congressmen, Senators, Federal Judges, Etc.  Who is really more important to the country?   Let's get real here. 

They are our servants.  They should get the same retirement and health care the people get.  Social Security.

I'm not saying they deserve it, but neither do NFL players who play a game.  NFL players don't really have an impact on our lives like congressmen/women and senators.  Hell, farming is a dangerous occupation too, but they don't get lifetime insurance.  Name me one NFL player who has put food on your table. Logging is an even more dangerous occupation.  Name me one NFL player who has supplied you with wood to build your house.  It's all about perspective. 

You must live in a different country.

Not sure what that means. 

You think highly of your government.

Name me a logger who put food on my table.

You have to factor in most food is sawdust with flavoring.

GBFanForLife posted:

You think highly of your government.

No, I do not think highly of our government.  But I think more highly of it than I do some NFL bench sitter that you think needs free lifetime health coverage. 

I have never said NFL players deserve lifetime health insurance. They play a game they choose to play even though they know the risks. You are the one that brought up the do nothing government.

Pikes Peak posted:

Name me a logger who put food on my table.

Well maybe if they used those wooden forks for dishing out the salad ~

Pikes Peak posted:

Name me a logger who put food on my table.

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I guess I'm not sure what's wrong with NFL players getting lifetime health insurance? YOU are not paying for it, the NFL pays for it. 

ammo:
Name me one NFL player who has supplied you with wood to build your house.  It's all about perspective. 

The sports business is often a case of an extremely small number of employees earning even billions of dollars.  Whatever profit doesn't go to the employees goes to the owners.

Financial award, such as perhaps lifetime health care, is not a function of how important a job may be (such as loggers), it is a matter of business.  A single NFL player probably draws more profit than 10,000 loggers and that is what drives their disparity in compensation.

Grave Digger posted:

I guess I'm not sure what's wrong with NFL players getting lifetime health insurance? YOU are not paying for it, the NFL pays for it. 

The fans pay for every damn thing the NFL has.  TV contracts, ticket sales, concessions... 

But you don't have to.

Pakrz posted:

Grave Digger posted:

I guess I'm not sure what's wrong with NFL players getting lifetime health insurance? YOU are not paying for it, the NFL pays for it. 

The fans pay for every damn thing the NFL has.  TV contracts, ticket sales, concessions... 

By choice

Pakrz posted:

Grave Digger posted:

I guess I'm not sure what's wrong with NFL players getting lifetime health insurance? YOU are not paying for it, the NFL pays for it. 

The fans pay for every damn thing the NFL has.  TV contracts, ticket sales, concessions... 

“Your” money also goes to pay for Jerry Jones’ hookers and blow and Bob Kraft’s “spa experience”, I don’t see anyone having a shit fit about that. 

Sources to ESPN: NFL players voted to approve the proposed CBA, giving the NFL 10 more years of labor peace, players an increased share of revenue, former players added benefits, and the league 17-game regular seasons along with an expanded playoff field.

— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) March 15, 2020

NFLPA announces players approved the new CBA by a 1,019 to 959 vote. So 51.5% to 48.5%.

— Matt Schneidman (@mattschneidman) March 15, 2020

I like it.

And the players got what they wanted most...legal weed!

I didn't even notice the weed aspect.  I assume the league isn't gonna test for it any longer?  Good call if accurate. 

Regarding the weed aspect, per what I read this morning there is now a 2 week testing period, instead of 4 months, just before Training Camp. The level to be detected goes up from 35 to 150 (dont recall the name of the measurement). Plus, no more suspensions, just fines for at least the first two times caught.

https://www.si.com/nfl/lions/n...anges-to-drug-policy

Thanks for the clarification Chongo.  I think its definitely a step in the right direction.  

GBFanForLife posted:

I have never said NFL players deserve lifetime health insurance. They play a game they choose to play even though they know the risks. You are the one that brought up the do nothing government.

Please show me where I said we have a do nothing government. 

As a former union local president, I have a problem with that close vote. When we took strike votes or contract approval, a close vote is NOT a good sign.

Democrats feel your plight. 

michiganjoe posted:

Sources to ESPN: NFL players voted to approve the proposed CBA, giving the NFL 10 more years of labor peace, players an increased share of revenue, former players added benefits, and the league 17-game regular seasons along with an expanded playoff field.

— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) March 15, 2020

Like, 120 yards?

YATittle posted:

As a former union local president, I have a problem with that close vote. When we took strike votes or contract approval, a close vote is NOT a good sign.

With regard to the NFL players...you’re adults. Read the fucking fine print dumbshit. Voting has consequences. You don’t get a do over when someone smarter than you explains all them big words.

Voting isn’t a right, it’s a responsibility — whether it’s for a president, a labor agreement or the local dog catcher. 

I never voted for a fucking dog catcher in my life.  Consequently I take no responsibility for all the fucking dogs.

-CTFD

How can players simply NOT vote?!?!

antooo posted:

I never voted for a fucking dog catcher in my life.  Consequently I take no responsibility for all the fucking dogs.

-CTFD

i wouldn’t vote for that kind of dog catcher either. Just doesn’t seem natural.

Boris posted:

How can players simply NOT vote?!?!

The majority of these guys are in their mid 20's. Some younger. I bet most of them that did vote didn't even read the CBA or just scanned it to find out how much more money was involved. 

Boris posted:

How can players simply NOT vote?!?!

Heard talk that some of the older players, nearing the end their careers, wanted to let the players who will have to play under the new deal make the decision. 

Chongo posted:

Voting isn’t a right, it’s a responsibility — whether it’s for a president, a labor agreement or the local dog catcher. 

It definitely is a right but it's also a responsibility.  I get your point otherwise.