Packers Off-season prediction/transactions thread

Plenty of holes to fill so TT will have ample opportunity to demonstrate his GM prowess.  As far as the Seattle game goes, don't let the offense off the hook. Need to do better than six points off five turnovers when a trip to the SB is on the line.

El-Stalker-Bong posted:

You did cover argument #4, but not like you think you did

Crap, I thought my Bong impression was so spot on. I didn't use enough gifs or memes to get my point across. 

packaddict posted:

Season over already, but you still love the Packers.  How can you watch any game knowing that the season is over already?

I love watching the games.  I'm a huge homer and optimist too. with Rodgers I really believe we have a chance in any game. But as far as success goes, the Pats have it in spades and we are slightly above average. Can't argue that.  You can't tell me if we'd gotten that corner and the speedster for what the Pats paid, you wouldn't be thrilled.  

Herschel posted:

pablopackerfan posted:

Eddie posted:

I will never, never, NEVER get over the Hawk blunder on that field goal. I played hs ball, special teams, had similar assignment and since you're not going for the block when you see ANYONE--receiver, lineman, drifting down the field you follow them. To think up as big as we were that the Seahawks wouldn't try a fake is another idiotic blunder--he should've been expecting it. 

To cap it off, late in the game when CMIII needed a breather he goes in and single handedly plays like I would at LB. Sad.

While I agree that Hawk and Bostisk screwed up, GB lost when it was 2nd and 30 and they 39 yds in two plays before the fake FG.  A stop there and there is no fake FG and no onside kick.  The D failed, giving up 28 points in about 10 minutes.   There a lot of blame to go around starting with the DC.

No. You say the pivotal point was 2nd and 30 AND you say there's a lot of blame to go around, (DC).  I think you have to pick one track or the other.  Also, Hawk on that fake was a huge spark when they should have been snuffed out.  So, Yeah. It was huge.

Lest we forget Daniels' inexcusable penalty that also extended the Seattle drive...

A fair point and someone also said about the O not scoring TDs - word. But those are things that happen throughout the course of a game that can be made up for. Daniels had some great plays  later on that drive to stop em if I recall but the Hawk gaffe on the fake FG turned on the comeback, big time. There was a lot of **** that had to go rong for us after that too but still. stupid and stupid coaching 

Just because the Patriots made those moves doesn't mean it's wrong that the Packers didn't make equally dramatic moves. There's more than one way to have success as an organization, people argue as if there is one way. Just because Bill Belichick approaches an offseason in a certain way doesn't mean that is the ONLY successful way function as an organization. The most important things that a successful GM has to do is maintain the salary cap and find a true franchise QB, a franchise LT, and a franchise pass rusher. Whatever scheme you run doesn't matter, those are the 3 positions that get paid the most and they're the most critical to any team being successful. How you build off that foundation is debatable, there's more than 1 right answer, but you will always be in the championship hunt if you do those things. 

At this point I expect we will have more tradable comp picks next year and a healthy cap. This allows TT to trade a few draft picks this year to move around the board some or even trade for a player, but I doubt he will do too much of that. Signing as many of our players that many of us wanted to keep would have made next year tough on next years cap. TT has a plan. That plan allows for some wiggle room both this year and the next. TT is ready if a surprise player is cut and still keep us competitive in the future. That's his MO and I don't expect it to change. TT will draft good players at key positions, pick up some good value FS's and that's that for this year.

I expect (and hope for) a bounce back year for our CB's. Perhaps with some health and House at that position we can return to more press man coverage. I believe the last years soft zone coverage was the result of inexperience and injuries at that position.

Grave Digger posted:

Just because the Patriots made those moves doesn't mean it's wrong that the Packers didn't make equally dramatic moves. There's more than one way to have success as an organization, people argue as if there is one way. Just because Bill Belichick approaches an offseason in a certain way doesn't mean that is the ONLY successful way function as an organization. The most important things that a successful GM has to do is maintain the salary cap and find a true franchise QB, a franchise LT, and a franchise pass rusher. Whatever scheme you run doesn't matter, those are the 3 positions that get paid the most and they're the most critical to any team being successful. How you build off that foundation is debatable, there's more than 1 right answer, but you will always be in the championship hunt if you do those things. 

Ricky Spielman does not agree!  It's best to constantly trade a bunch of draft picks to move up for guys you wouldn't have needed to trade up for so they can watch from the bench for as many years as possible and then not be re-signed after their rookie contract.  It's infallible in its genius!

big difference between being in the championship hunt and winning championships....

 Patriots moves this year remain to be seen. TTs moves this year remain to be seen as well. But the proof is already there. It's not a debate. Patriots way is better than everyone else's. TT's is second best, but a distant second.  and NY and Denver have more champs than GB so that could be debatable.  

I'm not saying I would be better than TT not even close. He's a genius. I'm sure he has a plan for this year and it's going to be a great plan.  But I think at this point it's obvious to everyone that a little more assertiveness in the FA market could help make hay while the sun shines (Rodgers)  we wasted some of Favre's best years. We've wasted some of Rodgers' best years already too. Missing on D primarily... but if you think about the past 10 years and nothing else, no way to argue that the Pats way is just one way. It's the best way. Period.

Get a brain moran, he has Sam Bradford, Anthony Barr, and Riley Reiff. The new Traingle of Power. 

PackerPatrick posted:

At this point I expect we will have more tradable comp picks next year and a healthy cap. This allows TT to trade a few draft picks this year to move around the board some or even trade for a player, but I doubt he will do too much of that. Signing as many of our players that many of us wanted to keep would have made next year tough on next years cap. TT has a plan. That plan allows for some wiggle room both this year and the next. TT is ready if a surprise player is cut and still keep us competitive in the future. That's his MO and I don't expect it to change. TT will draft good players at key positions, pick up some good value FS's and that's that for this year.

I expect (and hope for) a bounce back year for our CB's. Perhaps with some health and House at that position we can return to more press man coverage. I believe the last years soft zone coverage was the result of inexperience and injuries at that position.

Totally agree with this take. The offense should be significantly more effective next year with the 2 TE sets and I expect a major rebound from the defense with some health in the secondary and CM3. TT will add several studs in the draft and some street free agents that will make the rest of the NFL wonder how they weren't recognized and drafted. The Pack will once again be one of the top 3 teams in the league and be one of the favorites for the Super Bowl.

Then it will all come down to the dice roll of injury. If we can for once come away lucky in that area I'd expect high probability of trophy #5.

pablopackerfan posted:

big difference between being in the championship hunt and winning championships....

 Patriots moves this year remain to be seen. TTs moves this year remain to be seen as well. But the proof is already there. It's not a debate. Patriots way is better than everyone else's. TT's is second best, but a distant second.  and NY and Denver have more champs than GB so that could be debatable.  

I'm not saying I would be better than TT not even close. He's a genius. I'm sure he has a plan for this year and it's going to be a great plan.  But I think at this point it's obvious to everyone that a little more assertiveness in the FA market could help make hay while the sun shines (Rodgers)  we wasted some of Favre's best years. We've wasted some of Rodgers' best years already too. Missing on D primarily... but if you think about the past 10 years and nothing else, no way to argue that the Pats way is just one way. It's the best way. Period.

Sherman wasted Favre's best years by not drafting well, signing/re-signing bum free agents, etc. Sherman did a lot of things that people want Thompson to do, he went out and got the best free agent pass rusher money could buy, he retained high priced free agents, he traded up and down the draft to get players he wanted, etc. and none of it worked out. Much like what happens when Belichick's assistants go take jobs elsewhere, the success cannot be replicated. Belichick's method is his own, it works for him because 1) he's a football AND personnel genius which makes the GM/coach disconnect non-existent and 2) he built the core of the team through the draft, so even if Gilmore or Cooks don't work out then he can fall back on the talent he's already built. 

Green Bay does not play on a level playing field in the business end of the NFL. For 2 reasons.

One-Their open books and lack of a deep pocket owner means nothing can be offered to a FA under the table or over the cap.

"Wait a second" you say, "That's illegal!"

Ignoring the teams that actually did make non-ledgered cash transfers in the past, nothing stops a team/owner from connecting with a company that wants players for marketing purposes.

Two- Green Bay is a cold, small, culturally conservative backwater. It's an ideal place for a certain lifestyle. But not the typical lifestyle of southern born, young, urban, wealthy men, especially those of color.

TT paid a premium for the last splash free agent, Charles Woodson, even though their only competition for him was a good Tampa team that wanted him at safety. And Woodson was open about his initial reticence in coming to Green Bay.

Everything else being equal, Green Bay loses in the minds of many players. Which is why acquiring "Packer People" who can really perform, by the draft or on the market, is so frequently fruitless.

He went after Joe Johnson because Wolf's Jamal Reynolds pick failed so miserably. It was cause-and-effect, like so much of the league. The most successful clubs deal with that from multiple aspects. The complaint about Thompson is when he fails he doesn't really make an all-around effort  to fix it in  a meaningful way.  I

Grave Digger posted:

Get a brain moran, he has Sam Bradford, Anthony Barr, and Riley Reiff. The new Traingle of Power. 

but does the Traingle of Power run on time?  that is very important.

pablopackerfan posted:

big difference between being in the championship hunt and winning championships....

 Patriots moves this year remain to be seen. TTs moves this year remain to be seen as well. But the proof is already there. It's not a debate. Patriots way is better than everyone else's. TT's is second best, but a distant second.  and NY and Denver have more champs than GB so that could be debatable.  

I'm not saying I would be better than TT not even close. He's a genius. I'm sure he has a plan for this year and it's going to be a great plan.  But I think at this point it's obvious to everyone that a little more assertiveness in the FA market could help make hay while the sun shines (Rodgers)  we wasted some of Favre's best years. We've wasted some of Rodgers' best years already too. Missing on D primarily... but if you think about the past 10 years and nothing else, no way to argue that the Pats way is just one way. It's the best way. Period.

The Patriots win mainly because of two reasons. These are the only 2 constants.

First, Tom Brady is a top 5 QB all time.

Second, Bill Belichick is the best defensive coordinator in NFL history. There is probably no one else that is close. The last year as a head coach in Cleveland before the year that Modell was planning on moving them and created chaos, the Browns were 11-5 and won a playoff game. Belichick would have been successful there as well - but he would have had to find the QB to win a bunch of Super Bowls.

Whatever his methods may be (and yes it may involve taping some hand signals, etc.), Belichick's won 7 Super Bowls for teams in which he's run the defense (5 with the Patriots and 2 with the Giants under Parcells).  He's made it to several other Super Bowls as well as DC or Asst. Head Coach to Parcells.

In hindsight, Parcells succeeded because of Belichick. Parcells' teams made it to 2 Super Bowls and 2 other Conference title games in his career - all with Belichick as an assistant. He never made it to that point without Belichick on the staff.

Parcells as head coach in the 12 years with Belichick: 117-73-1, 2 Super Bowls, 4 Title games, 10 winning seasons. 11-5 record in the playoffs.

Parcells as head coach without Belichick: 55-57 in 7 years and never won more than 10 games in a year. No wins in the playoffs (0-3).

michiganjoe posted:

Plenty of holes to fill so TT will have ample opportunity to demonstrate his GM prowess.  As far as the Seattle game goes, don't let the offense off the hook. Need to do better than six points off five turnovers when a trip to the SB is on the line.

If Rodgers has two healthy legs, that game isn't close. Rodgers had no mobility and that's what the Packers offense in the red zone is based on. Rodgers drops back, avoids pass rushers for an eternity and then someone finally comes open.

Signing a 29 year old pass rusher with a significant injury history to a 6 year contract is a huge overreaction to needing pass rush help. Also KGB and Vonnie Holliday had just combined for 20.5 sacks, so it's not like they were out of options. He also traded a 1st and 2nd round pick the same year to move up for Javon Walker. Ironically in the same offseason where Joe Johnson got a contract equivalent in 2017 to a 6 year/75 million deal, he picked Aaron Kampman in round 5 and got an elite pass rusher for a fraction of the money. 

Mike Sherman's drafts were historically awful. He drafted 21 guys in the three drafts he ran. He got four good players out of these drafts (Walker, Kampmann, Wells, and Barnett). Davenport was OK. The other 16 guys were a whole lot of suckitude.

Grave Digger posted:

 Just because Bill Belichick approaches an offseason in a certain way doesn't mean that is the ONLY successful way function as an organization. 

Umm, BB approaches an offseason using EVERY way (FA, draft, trades, lap-falling, develop) to improve his club. Which should be the ONLY way.

Grave Digger posted:

Signing a 29 year old pass rusher with a significant injury history to a 6 year contract is a huge overreaction to needing pass rush help. Also KGB and Vonnie Holliday had just combined for 20.5 sacks, so it's not like they were out of options. He also traded a 1st and 2nd round pick the same year to move up for Javon Walker. Ironically in the same offseason where Joe Johnson got a contract equivalent in 2017 to a 6 year/75 million deal, he picked Aaron Kampman in round 5 and got an elite pass rusher for a fraction of the money. 

If Ted Thompson is such a Super Genius Tallant Evaluatorextraordinaire he should be able to sign the guy who will be good. 

The Lions approach the off-season using EVERY way.  

Timmy! posted:

ChilliJon posted:

Since March 2015. Jacksonville has signed 19 free agents. Total commitment of those contracts was $541 million. Actual dollars spent to date is $128 million. Of those 19 signed 8 have already departed. They are trying to shed more. 

Jax is 8-24 the last two years. 

 

And came within a whisker of beating the Packers....

Whoa, did they award them a Super Bowl for that? Or maybe, we should award it to Buffalo, because they actually beat the Pats 16 zip.

They have just as many Lombardi Trophies from last year as the Packers do. 

(STRAWMAN SHOWDOWN!!!!!!!!!!!)

So do the Browns. I consider the Packers season the equivalent of a 1-15 season.

Myles Garrett would look mighty good in Green & Gold. 

Ian Rapoport‏Verified account @RapSheet 11m11 minutes ago

This is what I mean..there is ZERO logical reason, TT shouldn't have gotten involved in this. What is his rationale?? Even if you HAD to give up a 1st(which he wouldn't, you'd negtiate that down), so what?? Are you going to get a CB in the draft at 30 that is currently as good as Butler is?? Ummm no. So you'd count that as your first round pick essentially. Oh yeah, and he is only 27.

I don't expect TT to sign everyone, but what irritates me more than anything is when they have an obvious need somewhere, and acquiring a player makes too much sense, he NEVER does it.

Jamaal Charles is another example...he fots perfectly in this ffense, and oh yeah, there's a need for a RB. Has Ted reached out to him?? Nope.

Seems like some kind of a, "wink and a nod" deal between the Pats and the Saints. Swap of 1st rd. picks, (NO pick is higher.) and promising players, (Butler and Cooks). Also a swap of NE's 3rd rd. pick to NO for NO's 4th rd. pick to NE. Just kind of strange but who knows. Did Butler even negotiate with or visit any other teams? 

Maxi54 posted:

Seems like some kind of a, "wink and a nod" deal between the Pats and the Saints. 

Well that explains it. I personally don't think TT even knows how to blink much less wink.

Butler wanted to visit GB but Ted told him to GTFO as he wants to see GNGB's head explode.

"Has Ted reached out to him?? Nope."

You know that how?

It still amazes me how some not only believe their own infallibility in talent assessment but also know the dollar cost for every possible FA pickup. I think it more likely that TT knows the starting price for every free agent on the market and which teams are willing to smash the pink piggy to beat that price.

Had the Packers played better at a few positions they might have won the last superb owl. The point is "Better"; not "Great".

To win the title a team generally needs greatness from 1-2 players and a few playing "good".  The rest just have to be "good enough".

Ol' Ted is a sneaky one that's for sure. Did anyone see the Bennett or Kendricks signings coming? I don't think there was one word on the street about the Pack having contact with or being interested in either of these guys. Similar to the Julius Peppers signing that came completely out of nowhere.

MichiganPacker posted:

michiganjoe posted:

Plenty of holes to fill so TT will have ample opportunity to demonstrate his GM prowess.  As far as the Seattle game goes, don't let the offense off the hook. Need to do better than six points off five turnovers when a trip to the SB is on the line.

If Rodgers has two healthy legs, that game isn't close. Rodgers had no mobility and that's what the Packers offense in the red zone is based on. Rodgers drops back, avoids pass rushers for an eternity and then someone finally comes open.

don't forget Quarles DROP of an EASY pass on 3rd and 5 which would've sealed the game.  Hit him in the gut.  He dropped it.  Clock Stops.  Packers Punt.  SeaHags go down and score a TD to tie the game with the 2 point Conversion.

GreenNgoldBlood posted:

Ian Rapoport‏Verified account @RapSheet 11m11 minutes ago

 

 

The #Saints are hosting #Patriots RFA CB Malcolm Butler on his visit now & there is momentum toward finalizing a deal before he leaves.

This is what I mean..there is ZERO logical reason, TT shouldn't have gotten involved in this. What is his rationale?? Even if you HAD to give up a 1st(which he wouldn't, you'd negtiate that down), so what?? Are you going to get a CB in the draft at 30 that is currently as good as Butler is?? Ummm no. So you'd count that as your first round pick essentially. Oh yeah, and he is only 27.

I don't expect TT to sign everyone, but what irritates me more than anything is when they have an obvious need somewhere, and acquiring a player makes too much sense, he NEVER does it.

Jamaal Charles is another example...he fots perfectly in this ffense, and oh yeah, there's a need for a RB. Has Ted reached out to him?? Nope.

What if the Saints offer to pay him ARod money? Do it, TT?

The Saints have been in cap hell for how many years because of these kind of moves? During that time their record has been schit and they just gave away their best young player to the Pats, because they can't afford him.

Thats your role model for a well run franchise?

Maxi54 posted:

Ol' Ted is a sneaky one that's for sure. Did anyone see the Bennett or Kendricks signings coming? I don't think there was one word on the street about the Pack having contact with or being interested in either of these guys. Similar to the Julius Peppers signing that came completely out of nowhere.

Kendricks was an afterthought. Everyone knew TT was dealing with Cook's agent figured that would get done, not that he couldn't string Bennett on the other line, just that he wouldn't need to.  

An afterthought? You have some serious mind reading skills there, bro.

He knew you would type that before you did.  

Raiders now have Jared Cook.....and I don't know how to link it.  

PackerPatrick posted:

At this point I expect we will have more tradable comp picks next year and a healthy cap. This allows TT to trade a few draft picks this year to move around the board some or even trade for a player, but I doubt he will do too much of that. Signing as many of our players that many of us wanted to keep would have made next year tough on next years cap. TT has a plan. That plan allows for some wiggle room both this year and the next. TT is ready if a surprise player is cut and still keep us competitive in the future. That's his MO and I don't expect it to change. TT will draft good players at key positions, pick up some good value FS's and that's that for this year.

That's the same as ever, and so far has resulted in one SB appearance with the best QB of the past decade. In fact, TT has been made to look better than he is by AR.

AR has covered a lot of warts all around, from the GM to the coaching staff.

packaddict posted:

He knew you would type that before you did.  

I hope he isn't reading my thoughts on his sexy mom as I sit here. It ain't right.

excalibur posted:

PackerPatrick posted:

At this point I expect we will have more tradable comp picks next year and a healthy cap. This allows TT to trade a few draft picks this year to move around the board some or even trade for a player, but I doubt he will do too much of that. Signing as many of our players that many of us wanted to keep would have made next year tough on next years cap. TT has a plan. That plan allows for some wiggle room both this year and the next. TT is ready if a surprise player is cut and still keep us competitive in the future. That's his MO and I don't expect it to change. TT will draft good players at key positions, pick up some good value FS's and that's that for this year.

That's the same as ever, and so far has resulted in one SB appearance with the best QB of the past decade. In fact, TT has been made to look better than he is by AR.

AR has covered a lot of warts all around, from the GM to the coaching staff.

Don't worry. TT thanks they guy who drafted him daily.