Excerpt from day 1 at the Shrine Game practices, from draft watcher Tony Pauline:

– Green Bay Packers general manager Ted Thompson spent a lot of time scouting the linebackers during the first Shrine practice today. And while he’s not in attendance at the Shrine Game, sources tell me the team really likes Mississippi State junior Beniquez Brown, whom I grade as a third round choice.

http://www.draftinsider.net/blog/?p=11203

That's what makes this mock draft a nice pipe dream. He would pick Jaylon Smith in the 1st, then be able to grab Henry in the second since he would be available for the picking.

And the chances of this are right up there with me winning the Powerball.

 

My draft from Fanspeak. 

27: R1P27
DT A'SHAWN ROBINSON
ALABAMA
57: R2P26
OLB SCOOBY WRIGHT
ARIZONA
88: R3P25
TE HUNTER HENRY
ARKANSAS
122: R4P27
RB C.J. PROSISE
NOTRE DAME
151: R5P24
OT JOE HAEG
NORTH DAKOTA STATE
182: R6P25
WR KEYARRIS GARRETT
TULSA
216: R7P27
OT WILLIE BEAVERS
WESTERN MICHIGAN
I could live with this. 
Are we getting one or two comp picks for House and Williams? 

I have an odd feeling the Packers may grab Shilique Calhoun to replace Perry and Peppers snaps in the first, depending on what they do with Datone. Matthews, Neal, Calhoun, Elliott, Datone would give them an interesting combo to work with, especially if Peppers is back for part-time duty. Neal, Datone, Peppers and Calhoun could all put their hand down in certain sets.   

 

 

Blocking out the pipedreams.......I like Hunter Henry in the first.  That seems about where he is slotted to go.  TE's don't usually shoot up draft boards due to workouts, so hopefully stays late first.  

I would consider Jaylen Smith, knowing he'd sit out 2016.  He's that good that he'd be worth the wait.  

And not sure why so many boards have DL as such a priority.  They actually played very well this year and have Daniels, Pennel and Jones coming back.  Yes Guion and Raji are free agents but doesn't mean both are gone for sure - TT is actually really good at retaining his own free agents.  I'd expect at least 1 to come back. Not saying you ignore it, but I consider LB a way bigger priority than DL.  

Right now I'm liking Michigan St DE Shilique Calhoun in round 1. Great size, showed some real potential as an edge rusher, and showed a lot of discipline in the run game setting the edge. He's not really polished in any area though and Michigan St defenders haven't faired well in the NFL recently (I'm looking at you Jerel Worthy). He's a very interesting prospect though.

Raw athlete, not a great LB right now. I like him as a WLB in a 43 or maybe as an OLB in a 34 if he improved taking on blockers. I don't think he has the bulk right to play consistently inside in any scheme and he doesn't seem to have that attacking ILB mentality. To me he's almost like a big Safety out there. 

Here is my first using Fanspeak big board

 

27: R1P27
ILB REGGIE RAGLAND
ALABAMA
 
57: R2P26
TE HUNTER HENRY
ARKANSAS
 
88: R3P25
OLB DEION JONES
LSU
 
122: R4P27
RB AARON GREEN
TCU
 
151: R5P24
DT WILLIE HENRY
MICHIGAN
 
182: R6P25
OT JOE DAHL
WASHINGTON STATE
 
216: R7P27
ILB LUKE RHODES
WILLIAM & MARY

This is my FanSpeak effort. I'm okay with it:

 

27: R1P27
DE JONATHAN BULLARD FLORIDA
 
57: R2P26
ILB BENIQUEZ BROWN MISSISSIPPI STATE
 
88: R3P25
TE HUNTER HENRY ARKANSAS
 
122: R4P27
OT CALEB BENENOCH UCLA
 
151: R5P24
RB JOSH FERGUSON ILLINOIS
 
182: R6P25
CB HARLAN MILLER SOUTHEASTERN LOUISIANA
 
216: R7P27
OLB STEVE LONGA RUTGERS

ROUND 1

Austin Johnson/NT/Penn St.

6’3”/325 lbs.

True NT…stout run defender…holds the LOS better than any player in the draft

 

ROUND 2

Joe Schobert/LB/Wisconsin

6’1”/235 lbs.

High energy, high effort…strong edge rush and blitz skills…versatility as ILB or OLB

 

ROUND 3

Nick Vannett/TE/Ohio St.

6’6”/260 lbs.

Great size with experience in-line or split out…tough, experienced blocker…wasn’t used enough at OSU

 

ROUND 4

Joe Haeg/OT/North Dakota St.

6’5”/300 lbs.

Good developmental LT…all around game is solid, needs to bulk up…real nasty streak

 

ROUND 5

Kelvin Taylor/RB/Florida

5’10”/205 lbs.

Quick, decisive runner…surprising power and toughness…good receiving skills…reminds of Jonathan Franklin

 

ROUND 6

Luther Maddy/DL/Virginia Tech

6’/295 lbs.

Short but stout and strong…really good interior pass rusher…high motor


ROUND 7

Thor Jozwiak/OG/South Florida

6’4”/321 lbs.

Good size…experienced and productive…good developmental prospect

FLPACKER posted:

What do you think of Darron Lee, LBer from OSU?

I live close to Columbus and I have the misfortune of seeing most O$U games.  Lee is an OL and probably is a little to light to play ILB in the NFL.  He is extremely fast and could be a nice compliment to Clay if he goes back outside.

I understand that teams play their defenses differently which dictates what they want from each position but Carolina's LBers, Kuechly & Davis are only listed at 235, Lee is listed at 228. Cards play Bucannon as essentially a LBer at 218 lbs. I think players like Lee & Cravens from USC would be coveted by Dom, since they have a varied skill set & can be moved around the field. 

He doesn't play like he's 230 though, he plays like he's 215. He's closer to Deone Buchanan than he is Luke Keuchly. Would you put Deone Buchanan at ILB full time? Arizona doesn't do that, he plays more of a Rover that doesn't fill gaps and take on OL. Lee's not aggressive like an ILB either, he reminds me of Julian Peterson really. Exceptional athlete, but not a thumper. More of an athlete than football player right now.

Why would Dom covet a small LB/big Safety? He has two Safeties that tackle REALLY well and support the run as well as any Safety tandem in the league.

YATittle posted:

Packerboi, I saw that TE Henry went at 61. How could Ted resist giving Arod such a weapon....

 

Considering this is all mythical how do you know mythical Uncle Teddy doesn't take him?

I imagine mythical TT like this, toying with our emotions.

 

 

I think getting more speed on the field has been the goal for the last few years. That's why Brad Jones was moved to ILB and it's why Nate Palmer moved to ILB. Those guys are on the more athletic end of the ILB spectrum, what they lack are instincts and vision to put their athleticism to any good use. The great ILBs in this league are fast (most are 4.6/4.7 range), but above all they have to have the instincts and the vision. If you can shed OLinemen and locate the football in a split second then it doesn't matter if you run a 4.4 or a 4.8, you will get there on time. Luke Kuechly isn't great because of his 4.6 speed, he's a natural ILB who lives near the ball. Thinking you can bring in athletes and teach them to play ILB is why we don't have any legit ILBs right now although I have some hope for Ryan.

I agree that instincts to the ball are most important. However this is exactly why players should not be discounted as being "too small" to play ILBer if they are only in the 225 range. How much does 10 more pounds matter when you are being blocked by a 300+ olineman? If you are 230 or 240, you are still at a great disadvantage. The key is to not get blocked. You are correct, we don't know if Lee & Cravens have those great instincts(or maybe you do?) , but I think we've dismissed too many guys in the past because the concern was that they weren't big enough. Guys like Shaq Thompson, Ryan Shazier, & Eric Kendricks were feared to be too light to be LBers but have all played pretty well. 

I definitely agree with you, discounting guys because of their size is a big mistake in a lot of cases. Guys can bulk up to 230 or 240 and be effective, that's not an issue in my mind. It can be a problem when you're 220 and have to constantly battle 300 lb linemen and hit 220+ RBs. There's a reason many true ILBs or MLBs are in that 240/250 range, that 20 lbs of muscle can help you withstand the pounding. 

In the case of Lee and Cravens, although they are very different players, I don't see them posses those great ILB instincts. A better position for Cravens would be an "in the box" Safety or as a SLB in a 43. Lee belongs in the 43 as an OLB, again in the same vein as Julian Peterson. I think he could play ILB in a 34, but I don't think we would see him fare much better than Brad Jones (i.e. Very miscast and not as effective as he could be). I don't think he's the same as Shazier or Thompson, those guys are very natural LBs.

Anyone have an armchair scouting report on Jake McGee, TE from Florida? At 6-6, 252 with a projected 4.69, he's likely to be among the biggest and fastest TEs in the class. Decent production in the SEC, too.

But I'm seeing him "graded" anywhere from a 3rd to a 6th/7th. What gives?

He's a little bit older at 24 and he suffered a pretty brutal leg injury in 2015. He seemed to rebound well, but those are his big knocks. We will see how his Senior Bowl goes, I don't think he goes lower than round 5, but round 3 is more realistic based on his skillset.

IL_Pack_Fan posted:

Anyone have an armchair scouting report on Jake McGee, TE from Florida? At 6-6, 252 with a projected 4.69, he's likely to be among the biggest and fastest TEs in the class. Decent production in the SEC, too.

But I'm seeing him "graded" anywhere from a 3rd to a 6th/7th. What gives?

I think one thing may be the problem and that is how horrible at times the Florida offense was last year.  It could be a tough sell to get a UF offensive player ranked high but I think if he is talented the scouts will figure that out quickly.

Starting to think that GB will be taking OLB with one of their first 2 picks. Have more shallow positions that need help(ILB and TE specifically) but there's a reason why edge rushers get paid a ton. Peppers is old, Clay is entering his age 30 season, and Perry or Neal or perhaps even both won't be back(and both are average players as it is). They need to find another young high upside option for that group.

Ted seems to look beyond the current year with the draft. Look at the 2017 free agents: Julius Peppers, Josh Sitton, TJ Lang, Datone Jones, Eddie Lacy, Davis Bahktiari, JC Tretter, Micah Hyde, Jayrone Elliot (RFA), Mike Pennel (RFA), John Crockett, Josh Walker, etc. 

They can't wait to replace two starting Guards and their primary backups next year. Same thing for OLB with Neal and Perry being FAs this year...4 of our top 5 OLBs will be FAs over over this offseason and next. Same thing with the DL, Raji and Guion are FAs, Jones is an FA next year and Pennel is an RFA, theoretically we could also lose 4 of our 5 top DL in the coming off seasons. 

Tough road ahead for TT.

After Ragland I think Joe Schobert is the second best ILB in the draft. I know he was an OLB at Wisconsin, but I see the instincts, the aggressive/attacking mentality, and the athleticism to get the job done. I think he could easily make the conversion. I'd like to see a veteran LB signed, like one of the guys from Denver, but I would double down and bring this guy to GB. He has the versatility to slide down to OLB and pressure off the edge also. 

Grave Digger posted:

After Ragland I think Joe Schobert is the second best ILB in the draft. I know he was an OLB at Wisconsin, but I see the instincts, the aggressive/attacking mentality, and the athleticism to get the job done. I think he could easily make the conversion. I'd like to see a veteran LB signed, like one of the guys from Denver, but I would double down and bring this guy to GB. He has the versatility to slide down to OLB and pressure off the edge also. 

They were talking about Schobert on NFL Radio yesterday & also liked his athleticism. They too thought he could play on the inside. 

His premise that Ted doesn't value the ILB position as highly as some others is certainly hard to argue. He hasn’t spent an R1-3 pick on the spot in ten years. Hopefully a decade of mediocre play at what the rest of the league views as a premier position has changed his thinking some.

My favorite part of the Miller video was that “Thompson” doesn’t hang on to his players. Is there a GM in the league with a better track record at this? Doesn’t he do this to a fault according to the masses clamoring for more outside FAs?

YATittle posted:

Inside linebacker not imporant? Is that a joke? He needs to watch Carolina, where decent ILBs cover up other deficiencies....

 

I agree, but they are much more than decent. Thomas Davis is a Pro Bowl level player and Luke Kuechly is on track to be a Hall of Famer (DROY and a defensive player of the year award in his first 4 years).

pduck posted:

This guy also:

- mentions the Packers don't do a good job retaining their own.

- says they need CB help because they are likely to lose Hayward.

- says they need OLB help because Peppers is getting old - doesn't mention what they have or the young FA's (Neal & Perry) they could retain.

- mentions they need OL help specifically at G and OT.



I think this guy got some of these right.

I think if history tells us anything:

1. Thompson doesn't have patterns. He lives and dies by the board. If the board offers what he needs then he takes it, if it doesn't then he trades. If the best player available is an ILB then he will take him. 

2. Draft "gurus" outside of the big boys like Mayock are generally wrong...especially this far from the draft. We haven't finished the Senior Bowl, so I doubt the Packers board is close to finished. 

I never thought he was a stiff in the 43. I thought he had his best seasons in that role. The defense overall was suspect, especially in 2008, but he was actually one of the solid players on that D. He's a perfect example of how not all LBs are created equal...just because you're 6'2"/240 like Hawk doesn't mean you make a good ILB in a 34. Some guys are better suited for certain schemes, Hawk was brutally out of place.

Hawk was brutal.

At the end.  

He was a solid player at first and probably doesn't get the credit he deserves (at least from me) for being a good player for awhile.  It was just that he was so bad (and so damn bad) at the end, it overshadows much of his accomplishments.  He should not have been on the field.  

Hawk is a huge reason why I ignore measurables at the combine for ILBs.  Take a look at the two sets of stats below from pro day/combines.  

Size:                  6' 1" 248 lbs      6' 3" 242 lbs

40 yd dash:      4.59                    4.58

10 yd split:       1.56                    1.63

20 yd shuttle:  3.96                     4.12

3 cone:             6.82                     6.92

Broadjump:     9' 7"                   10' 3" 

Vert:                  40 in                   38.1 in

Bench:              24 reps                27 reps

First is Hawk, second is Luke Kuechly.  Yeah, measurables on an ILB mean ****.  Instincts are everything at that position.  

How important are instincts? Denzel Perryman, who I thought had the best instincts in the draft, missed 3 games this year and still would have led all Packers ILBs in Tackles and Sacks. That's not to say I'm criticising TT for not getting Perryman, but he just can't seem to find a guy who knows how to play ILB. Get a LB who knows how to play LB.

CUPackFan posted:

Hawk is a huge reason why I ignore measurables at the combine for ILBs.  Take a look at the two sets of stats below from pro day/combines.  

(SNIP)

 

First is Hawk, second is Luke Kuechly.  Yeah, measurables on an ILB mean ****.  Instincts are everything at that position.  

Neat trick.  Now pick 2 ILBers projected in the 2nd round of the upcoming draft & tell us which one will be merely adequate & which one will be a stud.

FinnLander posted:
CUPackFan posted:

Hawk is a huge reason why I ignore measurables at the combine for ILBs.  Take a look at the two sets of stats below from pro day/combines.  

(SNIP)

 

First is Hawk, second is Luke Kuechly.  Yeah, measurables on an ILB mean ****.  Instincts are everything at that position.  

Neat trick.  Now pick 2 ILBers projected in the 2nd round of the upcoming draft & tell us which one will be merely adequate & which one will be a stud.

Antonio Morrisson and Joe Schobert will be studs. Scooby Wright will be a dud. Mark it down.

I call this the one-name special:

 

27: R1P27
ILB REGGIE RAGLAND ALABAMA
 
57: R2P26
OT JASON SPRIGGS INDIANA
 
88: R3P25
TE AUSTIN HOOPER STANFORD
 
122: R4P27
DT HASSAN RIDGEWAY TEXAS
 
151: R5P24
OLB JOE SCHOBERT WISCONSIN
 
182: R6P25
CB ERIC MURRAY MINNESOTA
 
216: R7P27
G PARKER EHINGER CINCINNATI
PackerJoe posted:

Hawk showed outstanding athletic ability at Ohio State and when he first came to Green Bay.  The groin injury he had in 2008 seemed to be a big blow to his career...he never ran the same after that.

His backpedalling speed increased as he got older

Pikes Peak posted:
PackerJoe posted:

Hawk showed outstanding athletic ability at Ohio State and when he first came to Green Bay.  The groin injury he had in 2008 seemed to be a big blow to his career...he never ran the same after that.

His backpedalling speed increased as he got older

Only when tackling at the first down marker.

Rusty posted:

I call this the one-name special:

 

27: R1P27
ILB REGGIE RAGLAND ALABAMA
 
57: R2P26
OT JASON SPRIGGS INDIANA
 
88: R3P25
TE AUSTIN HOOPER STANFORD
 
122: R4P27
DT HASSAN RIDGEWAY TEXAS
 
151: R5P24
OLB JOE SCHOBERT WISCONSIN
 
182: R6P25
CB ERIC MURRAY MINNESOTA
 
216: R7P27
G PARKER EHINGER CINCINNATI

I need a towel now.

Tyler Ervin is a younger James Starks. One cut, not much wiggle, upright runner, solid speed.

Braxton Miller is an interesting one to me.  I live close to Columbus and I unfortunately have seen every game of Braxton's career and I just don't see a body of work that shows a 2nd round pick  Fast yes but he really wasn't used much outside of the occasional running play that did nothing.  He did have some nice TD catches though. 

Pikes Peak posted:
FLPACKER posted:

I see Ervin as smaller, more elusive , & more explosive than Starks. 

Is Crockett a player?

I really like Crockett, he runs like his hairs on fire. However he does not have the speed that these two have, which I think our offense is in dire need of.

Braxton is a fantastic athlete, but where does he fit in GB? Unless the injuries to Jordy, Adams or Monty are worse than expected I can't imagine they look at Miller. If they hadn't just taken Monty I would buy it or if there wasn't real promise from Abby and Janis displayed. 

Miller is very raw, but he's almost an Odell Beckham-type athlete. He gets compared to Cobb, which I think is more because of his position history, but I think he ends up playing outside and I think someone jumps on him pretty early. He'd be a heck of a piece in Oakland, for example. 

Of course the Browns could take Wentz and maybe get him at the top of Round 2 and ruin them both.

It will be interesting to see how it all shakes out between now and draft day.  But if the draft where today, I don't think things fall all that well for Big Ted in round one.

My gut feeling is that with the first round pick he'll want to grab an impact pass-rusher (DL or OLB) or an elite pass-catching tight end.  It's possible that only one tight end (Hunter Henry) will carry a first or second round grade and chances are better than 50% that he will be gone when the Packer's first rounder comes up.  The pass-rusher with easily the most upside likely to be available when the Packers pick is Noah Spence but I don't think Ted would pick him because of significant character issues.  All the defensive linemen with top pass-rush upside are likely to be gone when the Packer's pick comes up.  I think the best player that would make sense for Green Bay is Kansas State offensive lineman Cody Whitehair.  He fits what Ted looks for in offensive linemen perfectly, but I don't think Ted will want to take an offensive lineman that early. 

I still think it will be Shilique Calhoun, for some reason. He has size to set the edge, good pass rush skills and is reportedly a good locker room/leadership guy. He's a lot like Nick Perry, in my mind, though probably a bit more agile. Late first to early second seems to be where he'll land also. 

Using the Draftek board: 

27: R1P27
DE SHILIQUE CALHOUN
MICHIGAN ST
57: R2P26
DT JARRAN REED
ALABAMA
88: R3P25
TE HUNTER HENRY
ARKANSAS
122: R4P27
DE SHELDON RANKINS
LOUISVILLE
151: R5P24
S KEVIN BYARD
MIDDLE TENNESSEE
182: R6P25
ILB KRIS FROST
AUBURN
216: R7P27
TE JAKE MCGEE
FLORIDA
Using the Matt Miller Big Board
 
27: R1P27
OLB SHILIQUE CALHOUN
MICHIGAN STATE
57: R2P26
TE HUNTER HENRY
ARKANSAS
88: R3P25
DT ADOLPHUS WASHINGTON
OHIO STATE
122: R4P27
WR BRAXTON MILLER
OHIO STATE
151: R5P24
TE JAKE MCGEE
FLORIDA
182: R6P25
OLB JOE SCHOBERT
WISCONSIN
216: R7P27
RB TYLER ERVIN
SAN JOSE STATE

And here's where BPA runs in to redundancy (Fanspeak board):

27: R1P27
OLB NOAH SPENCE
EASTERN KENTUCKY
57: R2P26
DT SHELDON RANKINS
LOUISVILLE
88: R3P25
DT AUSTIN JOHNSON
PENN STATE
122: R4P27
DT MATT IOANNIDIS
TEMPLE
151: R5P24
OT JOE HAEG
NORTH DAKOTA STATE
182: R6P25
OLB JOE SCHOBERT
WISCONSIN
216: R7P27
TE JAKE DUZEY
IOWA
ammo posted:

I would trust TT's evaluation of BPA better than anyone else's.  If Helmet Hair or McShay were any good they would be on a NFL staff and not blathering on ESPN. 

Guys like Pat Kirwin, Daniel Jeremiah, Greg Gabriel, etc. all have done the job, and support many of the other guys who now do the same thing. The first thing they'll tell you is that the biggest difference between what they did then and now is they now don't have access to all the personal interviews and information actual scouts do. They don't get to dig in to the personal lives of all the kids they're scouting. People with understanding and a discerning eye can do film study, it's the info about the guy's attitude and aptitude that they don't have access to. 

But the point was that when you say "Best Player Available" (which isn't exactly true anyway) if you truly follow that mantra, it's a fool's errand to count on talent matching your need at every turn. That's where prudent free agent spending comes in.   

TT takes the BPA on his board every time. Why would anyone take the 2nd or 4th or 10th best player on their board? TT's board doesn't match anyone else's though, it's why it's his board. Also I think he uses Bonger's consensus board as a reference, but only the 11th version...any fewer than that and it's not truly and up-to-date consensus and any more would just be over analyzing.

Which is a big part of the reason why they end up with gaping holes at certain positions. When the guys in the value tier simply don't match the team's needs, do you grab a guy who can play, or just say "**** it, we still have Aaron Rodgers for a few more years and maybe we'll get lucky along the way"?

Grave Digger posted:

So you're advocating drafting for need and signing free agents? A proven strategy in the league for sure. Tampa must be polishing their 6th Super Bowl trophy at this point and the probably adding additional space for this year!

Yeah, except that's the exact opposite of what I said. 

But if you think having a Hall-of-Fame QB with a mostly solid roster racking up participation trophies is good enough, that's on you. 

I think that's generally how the NFL goes. There's a reason we end up with a different SB winner every year. That's why some players and coaches go careers without winning any SBs. It should be an expectation every year, but the reality is that's not going to happen. We aren't squandering Aaron Rodgers career, Peyton Manning has had to hang on until 40 just to get another shot to win another one. I will take McCarthy/Thompson and chance to win every year over one chance and mediocrity. 

For ****s sake, I don't think anyone is saying they are keen on being a runner up all the time.  I think we would all be happy about any strategy that netted us a Lombardi, but all thing being equal, some of us like the draft and develop strategy that puts us in the mix year after year over leaning on free agency to fill holes (from poorly drafting and developing).  

Again, how can you develop what you don't draft? Inside linebacker has been a parade of washout, late-round, marginal-talent, OLBs lining up next to AJ Hawk. Oh, wait, there was there was Seventh-Round Sam, and throw in D.J. Hobbit five years ago prior to 4th-round 42, . None of those guys were even red-chip NFL talent. 

That's quite different than going after a wideout in free agency when TT spends a second or a third on a pass catcher most years. 

So who was drafted, that you think shouldn't have been drafted, that could be replaced by the right linebacker who was in the draft, drafted after that spot, without the benefit of hindsight?  

I keep hearing how Ted refused to draft "_________'s" replacement.  It's not like Ted skipped the draft that year.  He's filling lots of holes, some we haven't even seen spring a leak yet, with the most talented player he sees available.  

El-Ka-Bong posted:

I keep hearing how Ted refused to draft "_________'s" replacement.  It's not like Ted skipped the draft that year.  He's filling lots of holes, some we haven't even seen spring a leak yet, with the most talented player he sees available.  

You're making my point. If there's flaming bags of dog crap at a position in the draft at that slot, then take the better prospect and grab a free agent to fill the glaring hole with someone who is decent, even if it's not a long-term answer. 

I decided to help The Bares out with addressing their most intensive need:

 

11: R1P11
QB CARSON WENTZ NORTH DAKOTA STATE
 
41: R2P10
QB PAXTON LYNCH MEMPHIS
 
72: R3P9
QB CHRISTIAN HACKENBERG PENN STATE
 
103: R4P8
QB DAK PRESCOTT MISSISSIPPI STATE
 
138: R5P11
QB CARDALE JONES OHIO STATE
 
167: R6P10
QB GUNNER KIEL CINCINNATI
 
186: R6P29
QB CODY KESSLER SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA
 
189: R6P32
QB JACOBY BRISSETT NC STATE
 
198: R7P9
QB BRANDON ALLEN ARKANSAS
El-Ka-Bong posted:

That assumes the free agents a) want to come, b) are worth the hassle, c) an upgrade over the drafted and developed folks.  

*d) exist

If they meet all the criteria, they are named Julius Peppers.  

So you're claiming the Factory of Sadness and the rebuilding Colts are more desirable destinations than a contending Green Bay team? 

Or are you saying Winston Moss sucks and is the problem even though he's been kept on staff and promoted for the last decade? Even so, who have they drafted at the position to even develop? Do you expect a seventh-round, marginal-talent rookie to turn in to a solid starter after a single training camp? 

Don't understand why Thompson didn't sign these guys.

FoS 2015 FA signings 

CB Tramon Williams
WR Dwayne Bowe
WR Brian Hartline
DT Randy Starks
WR/ST Marlon Moore
RB/ST Shaun Draughn
P Spencer Lanning
QB Thaddeus Lewis

 

Colts 2015 FA signings

RB Frank Gore
WR Andre Johnson
DE Trent Cole
DE Kendall Langford
SS Mike Adams
CB Darius Butler
OT Todd Herremans
QB Matt Hasselbeck
G Joe Reitz

Nice strawman. Go back a couple of years and look at Karlos Dansby and D'Qwell Jackson for examples. 

or last year: Josh Mauga (3 yr/$8 mil), Brandon Marshall (1 yr/$585k), Jerell Freeman (1 yr/ $2.35 mil). That's ignoring the guys who made bigger money. 

Herschel posted:

I still think it will be Shilique Calhoun, for some reason. He has size to set the edge, good pass rush skills and is reportedly a good locker room/leadership guy. He's a lot like Nick Perry, in my mind, though probably a bit more agile. Late first to early second seems to be where he'll land also. 

Calhoun is a tough call.  Combine makes or breaks him.  Sometimes he looks quick and fluid, other times he looks just like a guy.  Ted loves athletes on defense, and I think Calhoun falls into the category where Ted will want him to prove it in Indy.

I will tell you what I love about Calhoun: he's fundamentally sound against the run. He can stack up Tackles and TEs and keep his containment. He's strong and stout enough that he doesn't get bullied and he has long enough arms that he doesn't let blockers get inside him. A lot of unselfish play. He's shown flashes of real talent as a pass rusher, bending the edge, but if he doesn't win with speed then he doesn't win that battle...however he doesn't give up on plays and gets the majority of his sacks from effort plays. 

I think he'd be a solid choice in round 1, even with a so-so Combine. The tape is there with him. If he burns it up at the combine I could see him climb higher, but right now I say Late 1st is a good spot. If he showed more polish as a pass rusher he would be higher.

Pikes Peak posted:

The mothership has GB taking the tight end from Ark.....whatever that is worth

If he makes to #27 that would be my guess as well.  I think Ted would favor taking a pass-rusher first, but here the choice could come down between Spence and Henry and Ted would probably favor Henry in that scenario when factoring in Spence's off-the-field issues.

The flip side of that is that it will be much easier for Ted to find a decent pass-catching tight end candidate later in the draft.  Guys with good pass-rush upside, all those guys could very well be gone once it gets to the later portion of round two.

My thoughts exactly.  Best case, you get a Todd Gurley - an all-pro caliber player ready late in year 1.  Most likely, you get a Willis Macgahee - sit out a full year to rehab but get a very good player for a long time.  Worst case, it's Javon Walker - struggles to ever regain the athleticism he had before the injury (sorry, was struggling for an example of blown out knee ruining a promising career).  

Problem is, if the medical reports are good, Smith goes much higher and the Packers never have a chance.  If the medical reports aren't good, he drops to the Packers who then have to decide if it's worth the risk.  Packers haven't taken a medical risk in the early rounds since Harrell, so will be interesting.  

I agree, in part because I don't think there is one worth a first-rounder. Jake McGee of Miami intrigues me a bit later. He's kind of a cross between Clive Walford and Marques Colston, IMO, in that he has a similar skill set to Walford, but lighter on blocking though a bit better split wide and in the seam. 

DH13 posted:

TT's board isn't going to have a RD1 TE.

I'd agree. In most mock drafts, there is just one where Hunter Henry went in the 1st. Most I'm seeing has him either in the 2nd or even the 3rd round. I'd love for GB to be able to take him in those rounds but I doubt he'll last much past 45-50th overall. So either TT will reach for him at 27 (that won't happen) or he'll need to trade up in the 2nd (highly doubtful).

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