CUPackFan posted:Even more trouble for Peppers. At this rate TT will be able to get him as a UDFA.
Why do people link pft garbage?
El-Typhoon-Bong posted:What do white women from Wisconsin think about him?
Wouldn't know how to deal with an intelligent white man, white women in Wisconsin only have enough intelligence to make black men their specialty. Women in the south know how to treat white men though, it's just the "Goallines" they treat as field hands.
Herschel posted:CUPackFan posted:Even more trouble for Peppers. At this rate TT will be able to get him as a UDFA.
Why do people link pft garbage?
Because buried under Florio's crap opinions is actual news. It's hard to find sports news anymore that isn't buried under opinions from the Naglers that run these sites.
Not really PFT garbage. PFT actually calls in to question Schefter's report.
I'm betting Shefter's source is a smokescreen.
Jeff Janis! is a fast white guy, and what did that get the Packers?
One of the most exciting finishes, in regulation time, ever for a playoff game.
What were we saying about picks and rankings being locked in? This seems a bit smokescreeny to me. Probably had a white woman get in his face about playing in the bowl game.
TT talked about this kind of thing in his presser. Teams start rumors to try to drive down stock of players they may want to draft.
Okay here is my uneducated guess as to how Round 1 shakes out:
1. Browns: Myles Garrett, DE, TAMU
2. 49ers: Malik Hooker, S, Ohio St.
3. Bears: Jamal Adams, S, LSU
4. Jaguars: Jonathan Allen, DT, Alabama
5. Titans (from Rams): Solomon Thomas, DE, Stanford
6. Jets: Leonard Fournette, RB, LSU
7. Chargers: Gareon Conley, CB, Ohio St.
8. Panthers: Derek Barnett, DE, Tennessee
9. Bengals: Taco Charlton, DE, Michigan
10. Bills: Marshon Lattimore, CB, Ohio St.
11. Saints: Charles Harris, DE, Missouri
12. Browns (from Eagles): Mike Williams, WR, Clemson
13. Cardinals: Haason Reddick, LB, Temple
14. Eagles (from Vikings): Christian McCaffrey, RB, Stanford
15. Colts: Jarrad Davis, LB, Florida
16. Ravens: Cam Robinson, OT, Alabama
17. Redskins: Zach Cunningham, LB, Vanderbilt
18. Titans: OJ Howard, TE, Alabama
19. Buccaneers: Dalvin Cook, RB, Florida St.
20. Broncos: Ryan Ramzcyk, OT, Wisconsin
21. Lions: David Njoku, TE, Miami
22. Dolphins: Forrest Lamp, OL, Western Kentucky
23. Giants: John Ross, WR, Washington
24. Raiders: Budda Baker, S, Washington
25. Texans: Evan Engram, TE, Ole Miss
26. Seahawks: Demarcus Walker, DE, Florida St.
27. Chiefs: TJ Watt, LB, Wisconsin
28. Cowboys: Adoree Jackson, CB, USC
29. Packers: Tre’Davious White, CB, LSU
30. Steelers: Jordan Willis, OLB, Kansas St.
31. Falcons: Marcus Maye, S, Florida
32. Saints from (Patriots): Marlon Humphrey, CB, Alabama
White is probably the only true #1 CB after Conley, Lattimore, Jackson, and Sid Jones. He has the flexibility to play inside and outside, the ball skills, the aggressiveness, and the instincts to play early on opposite Randall. He has punt return skills as well.
With the exception of Garrett going to Cleveland at number 1. The next virtually certain lock is Fournette going to Jax at 4.
I would still take Humphrey over White at 29. I'd take Awuzie over White at 29. I'd take Watt over White at 29. Assuming of course all three are available at 29.
I could live with White as our choice. Only thing I would question about the list is Walker going to Seahawks, don't think he is a First Round guy. I could see McKinley going in that spot?
I think we will see some surprises. The media overrates some guys and underrates some guys. Guys like Walker and Engram are badly underrated IMO, Walker had 26 sacks over he last 2 seasons! He has that kind of Michael Bennett flexibility, being a power End and speed interior player, that I think they grab him.
To me, based on what we've seen with Thompson the last couple years, they're looking for flexibility. Guys who can play 3 downs on D at various positions. Humphrey is an outside corner only and he struggles with the deep ball, he's not going to slide down to the Slot and cover Julian Edelman in a pinch. Awuzie fits the bill also, I could see that, but I think White is a better player overall.
White never met a tackle he was in a hurry to make. He's not helping you out much with run support. He's a better pure cover guy than Humphrey or Awuzie. But not by much. And certainly not enough of a gap to overlook White's 190lb frame and reluctance to get dirty in the run game.
I think Humphrey is gone well before 29 though.
From the always-controversial PFF:
[White] missed just five tackles, ranking in the top 21 percent of all cornerbacks with at least 500 defensive snaps this year.
Improved tremendously in coverage from 2015 to 2016. His NFL passer rating allowed dropped from 114.4 to 60.6, his touchdowns allowed dropped from six to three, and his completion percentage allowed dropped from 57.7 percent to 41.7 percent.
On Humphrey:
Fairly sure tackler, missing just six tackles throughout 2016.
As good as he is with the play in front of him, he definitely struggled on deep passes. Gave up an average of 16.3 yards per catch in 2016, and 17.4 in 2015.
On Awuzie:
Improved at getting his hands on the ball on in 2016, with pass breakups going from five in 2015 to nine this past year.
Needs to improve his technique as a tackler. Far too often he goes in high and looking for a big hit. Missed 33 tackles over the past three years and will likely miss even more against bigger, stronger NFL receivers.
It seems as though Humphrey's best fit will be in a Zone scheme. He's great with the ball in front of him, maybe struggles with the deep ball. Awuzie seems like maybe he would fit better in a Zone scheme also, but does offer scheme and position flexibility. White seems to be the best fit from a scheme standpoint, he's aggressive and can be put on an island with receivers.
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Marlon Humphrey ranks better than the draft class average in every major category.
Tweet from PFF was posted one month ago. So, there's that. I like Awuzie. A lot. I think GB could trade down a little and still get him.
Keep coming back to Watt being the safest possible pick at 29. There might be player that may end up being better than Watt. But you have a pretty good idea what Watt's floor is, which is pretty high.
Grave Digger posted:I think we will see some surprises.
I'm not trying to say Humphrey isn't good, I don't think he's a guy you put on an island against Odell Beckham though. We already have 2 tall/long CBs that struggle to cover deep (Gunter, House), we need someone with Shield's/Tramon's ability to play aggressive with receivers and stick with them all over the field, often times without Safety help. Neither of those guys seemed to particularly enjoy run support either. We have good tackling Safeties who can play the ball in front of them, we need to solve the shortage of good downfield coverage from our CB position.
Gareon Conley Accused of Sexual Assault
Obviously just accusations at this point, but that's going to be a controversial pick. Reminds me of La'El Collins. Collins ultimately was cleared, correct? Still made him radioactive on draft night. Gotta think this knocks Conley out of the draft like it did Collins.
EDIT: Boss beat me by 34 seconds.
Tweets found on internet:
"Fact of the day. Jabrill Peppers has more failed drug tests than wins against Ohio State"
Minute later....
"Fact of the day. Gareon Conley has more rape investigations than OSU had points vs Clemson"
The way defensive players are dropping it might be an all offensive round one.
Grave Digger posted:Okay here is my uneducated guess as to how Round 1 shakes out:
1. Browns: Myles Garrett, DE, TAMU
2. 49ers: Malik Hooker, S, Ohio St.
3. Bears: Jamal Adams, S, LSU
4. Jaguars: Jonathan Allen, DT, Alabama
5. Titans (from Rams): Solomon Thomas, DE, Stanford
6. Jets: Leonard Fournette, RB, LSU
7. Chargers: Gareon Conley, CB, Ohio St.
8. Panthers: Derek Barnett, DE, Tennessee
9. Bengals: Taco Charlton, DE, Michigan
10. Bills: Marshon Lattimore, CB, Ohio St.
11. Saints: Charles Harris, DE, Missouri
12. Browns (from Eagles): Mike Williams, WR, Clemson
13. Cardinals: Haason Reddick, LB, Temple
14. Eagles (from Vikings): Christian McCaffrey, RB, Stanford
15. Colts: Jarrad Davis, LB, Florida
16. Ravens: Cam Robinson, OT, Alabama
17. Redskins: Zach Cunningham, LB, Vanderbilt
18. Titans: OJ Howard, TE, Alabama
19. Buccaneers: Dalvin Cook, RB, Florida St.
20. Broncos: Ryan Ramzcyk, OT, Wisconsin
21. Lions: David Njoku, TE, Miami
22. Dolphins: Forrest Lamp, OL, Western Kentucky
23. Giants: John Ross, WR, Washington
24. Raiders: Budda Baker, S, Washington
25. Texans: Evan Engram, TE, Ole Miss
26. Seahawks: Demarcus Walker, DE, Florida St.
27. Chiefs: TJ Watt, LB, Wisconsin
28. Cowboys: Adoree Jackson, CB, USC
29. Packers: Tre’Davious White, CB, LSU
30. Steelers: Jordan Willis, OLB, Kansas St.
31. Falcons: Marcus Maye, S, Florida
32. Saints from (Patriots): Marlon Humphrey, CB, AlabamaWhite is probably the only true #1 CB after Conley, Lattimore, Jackson, and Sid Jones. He has the flexibility to play inside and outside, the ball skills, the aggressiveness, and the instincts to play early on opposite Randall. He has punt return skills as well.
Hmmmm. I think some team will draft a QB in round one.
when has it ever happened that no QB was drafted in the first round?
GrainBelt66 posted:Grave Digger posted:Okay here is my uneducated guess as to how Round 1 shakes out:
1. Browns: Myles Garrett, DE, TAMU
2. 49ers: Malik Hooker, S, Ohio St.
3. Bears: Jamal Adams, S, LSU
4. Jaguars: Jonathan Allen, DT, Alabama
5. Titans (from Rams): Solomon Thomas, DE, Stanford
6. Jets: Leonard Fournette, RB, LSU
7. Chargers: Gareon Conley, CB, Ohio St.
8. Panthers: Derek Barnett, DE, Tennessee
9. Bengals: Taco Charlton, DE, Michigan
10. Bills: Marshon Lattimore, CB, Ohio St.
11. Saints: Charles Harris, DE, Missouri
12. Browns (from Eagles): Mike Williams, WR, Clemson
13. Cardinals: Haason Reddick, LB, Temple
14. Eagles (from Vikings): Christian McCaffrey, RB, Stanford
15. Colts: Jarrad Davis, LB, Florida
16. Ravens: Cam Robinson, OT, Alabama
17. Redskins: Zach Cunningham, LB, Vanderbilt
18. Titans: OJ Howard, TE, Alabama
19. Buccaneers: Dalvin Cook, RB, Florida St.
20. Broncos: Ryan Ramzcyk, OT, Wisconsin
21. Lions: David Njoku, TE, Miami
22. Dolphins: Forrest Lamp, OL, Western Kentucky
23. Giants: John Ross, WR, Washington
24. Raiders: Budda Baker, S, Washington
25. Texans: Evan Engram, TE, Ole Miss
26. Seahawks: Demarcus Walker, DE, Florida St.
27. Chiefs: TJ Watt, LB, Wisconsin
28. Cowboys: Adoree Jackson, CB, USC
29. Packers: Tre’Davious White, CB, LSU
30. Steelers: Jordan Willis, OLB, Kansas St.
31. Falcons: Marcus Maye, S, Florida
32. Saints from (Patriots): Marlon Humphrey, CB, AlabamaWhite is probably the only true #1 CB after Conley, Lattimore, Jackson, and Sid Jones. He has the flexibility to play inside and outside, the ball skills, the aggressiveness, and the instincts to play early on opposite Randall. He has punt return skills as well.
Hmmmm. I think some team will draft a QB in round one.
when has it ever happened that no QB was drafted in the first round?
No QB and 3 RB. I don't see it.
I'm going to break the rules and not quote Grave Digger.
At least there is a Taco in there.
Every team is looking to move down. Ted stands pat with the first round pick, but trades up in the second round and blows everyones mind. Selects a guard with the pick.
1. Browns: Myles Garrett, DE, TAMU
2. 49ers: Solomon Thomas, DE, Stanford
3. Bears: Jamal Adams, S, LSU
4. Jaguars: Leonard Fournette, RB, LSU
5. Titans: Marshon Lattimore, CB, Ohio St.
6. Jets: OJ Howard, TE, Alabama
7. Chargers: Malik Hooker, S, Ohio State
8. Panthers: Christian McCaffrey, RB, Stanford
9. Bengals: Reuben Foster, ILB, Alabama
10. Bills: Hassan Reddick,LB, Temple
11. Saints: Derek Barnett, DE, TN
12. Browns: Mitchell Trubiski, QB, NC
13. Cardinals: Patrick Maholmes, QB, Texas Tech
14. Eagles: Marlon Humphrey, CB, Alabama
15. Colts: Charles Harris, OLB, Missouri
16. Ravens: Mike Williams, WR, Clemson
17. Redskins: Johnathan Allen, DE, Alabama
18. Titans: John Ross, WR, Washington
19. Buccaneers: Dalvin Cook, RB, Florida St.
20. Broncos: Ryan Ramzcyk, OT, Wisconsin
21. Lions: Corey Davis, WR, Western Michigan
22. Dolphins: Forrest Lamp, OL, Western Kentucky
23. Giants: Garrett Bolles, OT, Utah
24. Raiders: Jarrad Davis, ILB, Florida
25. Texans: Deshaun Watson, QB, Clemson
26. Seahawks: Cam Robinson, OT, Alabama
27. Chiefs: Zach Cunningham, ILB, Vanderbilt.
28. Cowboys: Adoree Jackson, CB, USC
29. Packers: TJ Watt, OLB, Wisconsin
30. Steelers: Jabrill Peppers, S, Michigan
31. Falcons: Taco Charlton, DE, Michigan
32. Saints: Takk McKinley, OLB, UCLA
For Ted to give up that first round pick also means he has to give up that option year for the first player he drafts. That's a big deal when you are as big a tightwad as Ted is. He'll probably have to be blown away by an offer to move out of round one, and I'm not seeing a scenario where a team would be willing to give up that much.
I also seeing pretty good candidates at the end of round two so would guess Thompson sits still there. End of round three looking pretty questionable, could move up (D'Onta Freeman?, Shaquill Griffin?) if he wants to play the quality game or move down if he wants to play the quantity game.
Even for their mock draft espn goes to commercial before the Packers pick.
Goalline posted:Even for their mock draft espn goes to commercial before the Packers pick.
golden. love it.
Sarcasm alert on ** Can't you just feel the Packer love? ** Sarcasm alert off
Makes perfect sense, actually, with a four-pick segment, breaking it down in to 8 segments for picks, not some conspiracy.
CBS Sports mock still has Conley going to the Packers in round 1. Not too sure about that now unless he gets exonerated in the next day which probably won't happen. I wonder how far he falls and which GM, if any, will take a chance on him? This will cost him a lot of money whether guilty or not.
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La'el Collins went undrafted and he wasn't even a suspect in a murder, he just had a relationship with the victim and was brought in for questioning. I would say Conley is heading in that direction. He's a PR disaster for any team, it's not like bringing in a drug user like Randy Gregory, this is a being okay with bringing an accused rapist on your team. Not team wants that, even for a 7th round pick. Even a hint of an issue, like in Collins case, is enough to spook every team from drafting a player all together.
Sounds like the Bucs are interested in moving back from 19, I wonder what their demands would be? Moving from 29 to 19 would normally likely require throwing in a 2nd (based on the trade value chart) for a team trying to move up, but would Tampa accept a little less so they could drop back? Which player falling to 19 would motivate you to move up?
For me if Malik Hooker somehow fell to 19 I wouldn't think twice, he looks like the next Ed Reed to me. Personally I think he's the best player in the draft. Maybe Haason Reddick to anchor the middle of our D? Derrick Barnett perhaps, he looks like a guy who has the football IQ and attitude to be an elite pass rusher.
Going from 29 to 19 would probably cost GB it's second and get back Tampa's 4th. GB would have a first (19). No second, a third, two fourths, two fifths, a sixth and a seventh.
I don't see anyone at 19 (Other than Hooker or Fournette) that Ted would value higher than his second round pick. I think Ted is legitimately more excited about who he might find at the end of round two than he is vs. the end of round one. If Tampa was willing to give Ted a third back instead of a fourth??? Then maybe.
The Packers lost too many of their own free agents to come out of this draft with any less than 8 players. I don't see any scenario were I would make a dramatic move up. As much as I like Reddick and think he could finally solve the inside linebacker problem that has lasted for years, I just don't think the team can afford to give up what they would have to give up to get him.
If it was a minor move where the Packers just moved up few spots and it only involved swapping picks later (move up 3 spots in round one and move back 20 spots later in the draft), that seems more likely...just as long as it didn't result in a net loss of draft picks.
I usually hate the idea of trading future picks but this draft would be a rare exception. The Packers are on schedule for having 12 picks in next year's draft (their own 7, 4 compensatory and 1 in the Lerentee McCray trade), and I don't think there is any need to have 12 draft picks + a couple undrafted rookies on the 53 to start the season. Looks great on paper at the beginning of the year, doesn't look so great in the playoffs. They can save those picks to try and swing trade up's in 2018, or maybe they could move a 2018 pick to try and pick up an extra 2017 pick. Cleveland have a bunch of picks and already filled some needs in free agency, if they strike out in trying to move up from 12 they might be happy to trade one of their picks this year because they would still have 10 left (5 of first 65, all in top 188). If the right player fell to the first pick in the fourth (#108), the Packers could swap their 2018 3rd round pick for pick #108 this year. The Packers third round pick this year is #93, so if they have a similar year next year it's probably only a 12-20 spot move down the board to get an extra pick a year early. Cleveland isn't so interested in the amount of the move up, just the guarantee that it would be a move up and more importantly pushes the pick into next year. Something to consider.
I also wonder how far Mixon falls in this draft?
Packy posted:CBS Sports mock still has Conley going to the Packers in round 1. Not too sure about that now unless he gets exonerated in the next day which probably won't happen. I wonder how far he falls and which GM, if any, will take a chance on him? This will cost him a lot of money whether guilty or not.
Dallas or Cincy.
Almost ironically, it could (financially) punish him more to be taken in the 7th than as an Undrafted Free Agent.
Mixon will go in late round 2 I'm betting. Randy Gregory, with all his drug issues, still went in round 2. Mixon's crime was obviously worse than Gregory's, but I think some team will make a big show of saying they were disturbed by the incident, but they've done enough homework to make them feel Mixon is a changed man and he's so sorry and blah blah blah.
There's nothing a team can say about Conley to smooth over drafting him at all and paying him hundreds of thousands of dollars. Maybe he's a rapist, maybe he isn't, but that lack of clarity will scare teams I'm betting.
"As much as I like Reddick and think he could finally solve the inside linebacker problem"
Joe Thomas was fantastic last year in his role. I think he can be a solid 3 down guy, decent on run downs and one of the top at the position on 3rd down.
I'm almost over over Ryan, Hawk 2.0 with cinder block feet, but it is his year 3 so we shall see. Hopefully Martinez makes a jump this year and solidifies the position with Thomas.
Reddick could actually be a playmaker at the position, including provide pass rush. What they've been trying to do is find "get by" guys to occasionally "barely getting by" as the best result.
Ryan always looks better on the Lambeau turf. He had a couple of really good games late last year after battling some injuries.
Looking at next year's number of picks is an interesting angle. But I don't think you can get 4 comps in one year. Isn't 3 the max? Regardless, it would be just as important to consider the depth and quality of next year's draft class compared to this year's. Next year's picks may not be as valuable.
Ryan was actually pretty solid last year. He's never going to be that all-pro we want in the middle but he's better than what we've had since Des Bishop was playing here (pre-injury).
Just like with Hawk I think Ryan is a guy who needs to stay clean of blockers to do good work. Having a grinder like Martinez to take on blockers helps a ton, but they played so much Nickel that Martinez didn't see the field as much toward the end. If Martinez makes a jump I think you will see Ryan and Thomas make a jump.
I think Ryan and Martinez are upgrades over 2014 Hawk and Jones but that's only because they are young and haven't had their collective limitations cloud their youthful hopes and dreams. But it's coming. You can't have two reactionary guys next to each other in the middle. It doesn't work. Martinez strikes me as the guy that might make the jump to active vs. reactive. Hawk was helped by Bishops seek and destroy mentality. Hawk and Jones were the same guy.
By 2014 Brad Jones was sitting in front of his locker after games talking to his socks for guidance. He was a broken quivering mess.
CUPackFan posted:Ryan was actually pretty solid last year. He's never going to be that all-pro we want in the middle but he's better than what we've had since Des Bishop was playing here (pre-injury).
Ryan certainly had his moments, mostly in the run game. Heck, I think he even made a couple of tackles on the opponents side of the line of scrimmage, something I thought had been outlawed in GB when the Pack drafted AJ Hawk.
However, Ryan is a pretty big liability in the passing game. He lacks quickness and has shown nothing as a blitzer.
Thomas' game is about the exact opposite. Decent in coverage, easily overwhelmed in the running game.
As for Martinez, he was given the keys to the D to begin the season, named a starter, praised for his smarts, etc. By the end of the year, he hardly got off the bench. Perhaps it was due to his injury, but alas he showed very little last year.
Joe Thomas was really bad in the last game of the year and somehow was still starting over Blake Martinez. The Packers need at ILB has been under-rated. I think OLB and ILB is equal in terms of which should be given priority, but with Matthews, Perry and Fackrell it wouldn't be surprising if Thompson sees ILB as a more significant need area.
PackerJoe posted:Joe Thomas was really bad in the last game of the year and somehow was still starting over Blake Martinez. The Packers need at ILB has been under-rated. I think OLB and ILB is equal in terms of which should be given priority, but with Matthews, Perry and Fackrell it wouldn't be surprising if Thompson sees ILB as a more significant need area.
So you saw a whole game? That and PFF should tell an accurate story.
PackerJoe posted:Carr is a real good player. Put a beatdown on the Big 10 this season. Only thing that makes me think the Packer's won't draft him is the 40-time (4.61). For the longest time it seemed like the 40-time meant nothing to Thompson but last year it was pretty obvious that the Packers were looking for fast guys at the offensive skill positions and the defensive backfield. I'm guessing that will continue on defense in this draft after that performance against the Falcons, but not so sure it will continue at WR and RB.
Austin played high school WR with my nephew in Benicia CA. Good kid. Smart ass. He's not 4.61. He's slower. Tough to cover. High football IQ. And he's one tough thick skinned fighter. You have to really beat him to beat him. He has no quit.
Packy posted:I also wonder how far Mixon falls in this draft?
One of the ESPN mocks scrolling at the bottom of the screen had Mixon going to Green Bay at 29.
I'm sure the Packers (like most teams) will do whatever homework they can on his charges, but you have to wonder how tempted TT would be to draft him at the end of the 3rd (if he's there):
Buzz builds for Gareon Conley being picked in round three
Posted by Mike Florio on April 26, 2017, 8:24 PM EDT
Getty Images No one currently expects Ohio State cornerback Gareon Conley to be selected in round one, given a rape allegation that likely won’t be resolved in his favor by Thursday night. Currently, the thinking is that someone will take a flier on him before the conclusion of Friday night’s proceedings.
Per a league source, the current buzz has Conley going at some point before the end of the third round.
The risk is obvious; Conley could be charged, prosecuted, and ultimately convicted of a first-degree felony. But he also could be exonerated, either by the alleged victim not pursuing the case or prosecutors deciding based on the witness testimony from the hotel room where the rape allegedly occurred that Conley would be able to establish sufficient reasonable doubt to make a trial a losing proposition.
At some point as the seven rounds unfold, the potential reward will outweigh the risk. The current thinking is that this will happen at some point before the end of round three.
If he’s guilty, he shouldn’t be drafted at all. If he’s innocent, his draft stock shouldn’t be affected at all. His current draft stock reflects the reality that few know exactly what happened in that Cleveland hotel room and, for now, no one knows what will happen moving forward.
Red flag special, anyone?
1. Mixon
2.Tim Williams
3. Conley
Major collage tallant there, folks. Can we Photoshop a crack pipe onto Forrest Lamp, or maybe toss a dead hooker in his trunk, in order to get a 4th round bargain, too?
ChilliJon posted:Austin played high school WR with my nephew in Benicia CA. Good kid. Smart ass. He's not 4.61. He's slower. Tough to cover. High football IQ. And he's one tough thick skinned fighter. You have to really beat him to beat him. He has no quit.
James Jones ran a 4.60 and they took him R3. I think they're looking for the football IQ, the attitude, the route running and understanding of routes, etc. from their receivers first and foremost. Pure Slot receivers aren't that common, guys like Carr, Edelman, Welker, etc. aren't a dime a dozen like big/tall/fast outside WRs. I'm not saying they for sure with draft Carr, but he fits the mold. Not all Slot guys are burners either, Julian Edelman ran a 4.52, Danny Amendola ran a 4.58, Wes Welker ran a 4.65, Jamison Crowder ran 4.56, Jarvis Landry ran 4.77, etc. They all have better play speed, but really it's about your quickness, route running, etc. Carr would have tied for 3rd in the 3-cone at the combine (6.70) had he been invited.
The media games are in full swing.
NFL Network's Daniel Jeremiah says a number of teams are targeting Alabama LB Reuben Foster around pick No. 11.
This is important, as some think Foster might drop out of round one. Jeremiah mocks him to the Saints at No. 11. Rotoworld's Josh Norris has said the 49ers and Packers have shown strong interest, and San Francisco might move up to the end of round one from their early second round pick. Many coaches and evaluators believe Foster is a top two talent in this class.
Source: NFL.com
Apr 27 - 11:13 AM
WalterFootball's Charlie Campbell reports that the Packers are extremely interested in Oklahoma RB Joe Mixon and might even take him in Round 1.
The Packers were one of the teams that hosted Mixon for a pre-Draft visit, along with the Bengals, Broncos, Jaguars, Saints, Raiders, and Buccaneers. We're still thinking that Mixon will drop into Round 2, but at this point, late-Round 1 is very much in play.
Source: Walter Football
Apr 26 - 2:48 PM
Draft Analyst's Tony Pauline reports that the Packers are "gearing up" to select Wisconsin edge rusher T.J. Watt at pick No. 29.
The Cowboys, Lions, Patriots and Redskins have all additionally shown interest in Watt during the draft process. Several scouts during the evaluating process have referred to the 6-foot-4, 252-pounder as a more explosive version of Clay Matthews, while another went so far as to say that he gave Watt a higher grade than he did older brother -- and current NFL superstar -- J.J. Watt when the elder Watt was coming out of college. He could potentially land in Round 1 and figures to be off the board early in Round 2 if he is still around.
Source: Draft Analyst
Apr 25 - 5:43 PM
Draft Analyst's Tony Pauline reports that the Steelers recently made a trip to visit Mississippi State edge rusher Johnathan Calvin.
Calvin previously had official visits with the Packers, Seahawks, Raiders and Bengals. "We presently grade Calvin as a UDFA but would not be surprised if he hops into the last round," Pauline wrote.
Source: Draft Analyst
Apr 26 - 3:10 PM
I'll have a really hard time rooting for the Packers if they select Mixon. That might be it for me and the NFL.
Yeah I think that's just talk, I can't imagine TT is actually interested.
Mixon could be our new Ahman Green
I'm totally stoked for the big slave trade today!!!!
Jury jury is still out on Randall, Rollins and Clark but ted needs to listen to someone other than Sam tonight.
Maynard posted:I'll have a really hard time rooting for the Packers if they select Mixon. That might be it for me and the NFL.
I hear what you're saying but how is he any different than Letroy Guion. If anything, Guion is worse. Mixon punched a woman after a verbal exchange in a public cafe. That's bad enough, but Guion has multiple domestic violence charges (including punching the mother of his children in the jaw) as well as stalking charges. Guion had to pay restitution on one of the charges in exchange for getting the other ones dropped.
MichiganPacker posted:I hear what you're saying but how is he any different than Letroy Guion. If anything, Guion is worse. Mixon punched a woman after a verbal exchange in a public cafe. That's bad enough, but Guion has multiple domestic violence charges (including punching the mother of his children in the jaw) as well as stalking charges. Guion had to pay restitution on one of the charges in exchange for getting the other ones dropped.
So just because we have Guion on the team then we shouldn't take a stand against adding more dirtbags to the roster?
Yeah, when does it end? For me, personally, I'm just tired of it. Maybe I'm finally outgrowing sports, I don't know.
And maybe Guion is worse, but to openly draft someone knowing what they did with all of that video evidence? I just have a hard time accepting that.
But, in the end you would. Some fans may jump ship but most would be back aboard as soon as he or any other lowlife made a significant contribution.
RE: Mixon - RB appears to be a need for the Packers. Of course, Thompson signs 2 TEs in FA and they have the same 3 RBs on the roster that they finished 2016 with. With Aaron Rodgers, getting a RB early is not a priority. I can see Thompson grabbing someone like Marlon Mack in the 4th.
Pikes Peak posted:But, in the end you would. Some fans may jump ship but most would be back aboard as soon as he or any other lowlife made a significant contribution.
Because there would be 51 other players on the roster that aren't dirtbags. Supporting the team doesn't mean I would support Joe Mixon and his behavior.
1-29 Kevin King/CB/Washington (6-3, 200, 4.43)
The first-round pick projection is considerably harder than it was last year. Last year it was clear that Thompson was going to look for big bodies on the defensive front, and only two players really fit the profile of how he’s drafted in the past that figured to be on the board. Those two players were Kenny Clark and Chris Jones. While there are many in the media talking about the Packers lack of a pass rush, the numbers say otherwise. The 2016 Packers finished tied for sixth in the NFL in sacks and were tied for twelfth in hurries. The Packers did lose Julius Peppers and Datone Jones, but Thompson aggressively signed Nick Perry and has two legitimate starters at outside linebacker and can back those two players up with Kyler Fackrell. I think cornerback is a far more pressing need and that’s the direction I see Thompson heading with the #29 pick. The Packer lost a good performer at nickel back in Micah Hyde and the only reinforcement that has been added is Davon House. House was so bad in Jacksonville that he was benched early in the year and only averaged a handful of defensive snaps per game over the last 3 months of the season. The rumors this morning are that Thompson loves T.J. Watt. While the Watt pick makes sense, I think Thompson will just have too many quality options at cornerback where he won’t move off that position.
And that’s what makes projecting the pick difficult. Marlon Humphrey/Alabama, TreDavious White/Louisiana State, Kevin King/Washington, Quincy Wilson/Florida and Chidobe Awuzie/Colorado all appear to be ideal candidates and as of last weekend it looked like any of these players may be available at #29. Due to the Gareon Conley situation, I think it’s safe to say that Marlon Humphrey will be one player that will move up the board and is eliminated from consideration at #29. I’d guess Thompson has Wilson stacked just below the other players due to speed (4.54 40-time). That leaves White, King and Awuzie. Thompson is known for loving size/speed players at cornerback (probably the main reason Davon House is back), and King has the height/speed (6-3, 4.43) advantage over White (5-11 ¼, 4.47). One thing that is interesting is that in the last couple of weeks many draftniks have reclassified Awuzie as a safety. Even though King also has a safety background, he seems safer to stick at cornerback. And getting into splitting hairs territory, Awuzie has solid but not great height (5-11 7/8) his vertical is only average (34 ½) and his arms are short (30 5/8), all of which creates a bit of uncertainty as to how he will handle bigger receivers on the outside.
I’m thinking chances are just about 50/50 that King is available at #29. If he is, I think he’ll be the Packer’s pick. If he’s not, I’d project Thompson’s choices in order would be TreDavious White/CB/Louisiana State, Chidobe Awuzie/Colorado, T.J. Watt/OLB/Wisconsin, Jordan Willis/OLB/Kansas State, Quincy Wilson/CB/Florida. And if Marlon Humphrey somehow slips to #29, Thompson takes him ahead of all the other mentioned players.
2016 stats = 14 games played, 44 tackles, 3.5 tackles for loss, 2 interceptions, 13 pass breakups
2015 stats = 11 games played, 39 tackles, 4.5 tackles for loss, 3 interceptions, 5 pass breakups, 1 fumble recovery, 1 forced fumble
Combine numbers = 6-3, 200, arm length = 32, hand size = 9 ½, 40 time = 4.43, reps at 225 = 11, vertical = 39.5, 20 shuttle = 3.89, 60 shuttle = 11.14, 3-cone = 6.56
Arrived at Washington in 2013 and did not redshirt. Played safety in 2013 and 2014 and moved to cornerback beginning in 2015. Missed three games in 2013 with a torn labrum and missed three games in 2015 due to a quad injury and concussion. No other major injuries. Started 8 games in 2015 and 14 games in 2016. Big, athletic guy that is surprisingly agile considering his height and can stay glued to receivers down the field. Should be much more physical considering his size. Willing but not an aggressive tackler. More of an “athlete” than “football player” at this point in time that was dramatically helped by his performance in Indianapolis. Was ranked #86 on the consensus board just prior to the combine and currently ranks #40. To my knowledge, there are no character concerns associated with this player.
2-61 Duke Riley/ILB/Louisiana State (6-0 ½, 232, 4.58)
As has become a common sight over the last few seasons, the Packers get to a playoff game against a team with a high-octane passing game and the inside linebacker proves to be a huge liability. There is no question that the Packers simply need to get faster at this position. Thompson will be likely looking at ILB, RB, OLB, OL with this pick but with Riley finally finds a player that can bring some needed speed to the ILB position.
2016 stats = 12 games played, 93 tackles, 9 tackles for loss, 1.5 sacks, 1 interception, 1 pass breakup, 1 fumble recovery
2015 stats = 12 games played, 24 tackles, 0.5 tackles for loss
Combine numbers = 6-0 ½, 232, arm length = 32 7/8, hand size = 9 ¼, 40 time = 4.58, reps at 225 = 18, vertical = 34.5, broad jump = 10’2”, 20 shuttle = 4.21, 3-cone = 6.89
Only a one year starter. Experienced in 3-4 defense. Excellent athlete that shows good range on the field. Plus-player when dropping into zone coverage. Slow reactor against the run. Can run sideline to sideline but will often over-run the play. Extensive special teams experience. No injury or character concerns that I am aware of. Was ranked #114 on the pre-combine consensus board and is ranked #83 on the current consensus board.
Other solid possibilities at #61 = Ryan Anderson/OLB/Alabama, Chris Godwin/WR/Penn State, Cordrea Tankersley/CB/Clemson, Fabian Moreau/CB/UCLA
3-93 D’Onta Foreman/RB/Texas (6-0 ¼, 233, 4.45)
After the Texas pro day it looked pretty certain that Foreman would be picked in round two. As recent as a couple days ago I didn’t think there was any possibility that Foreman would make it to pick #93. However, the latest information seems to point to Foreman being available with this pick. McGinn does not have him included in his top 100 prospects (and he has 8 running backs listed) and neither does Mike Mayock. And even on lists where Foreman is ranked higher than #93, it’s not high enough to convince me that he’ll be gone by #93 (an example being Gil Brandt who has him at #88).
2016 stats = 11 games played, 323 carries, 2028 rushing yards, 15 rushing touchdowns // 7 catches, 75 receiving yards, 0 receiving touchdowns
2015 = 10 games played, 95 carries, 681 rushing yards, 5 rushing touchdowns // 5 catches, 64 receiving yards, 0 receiving touchdowns
Combine numbers = 6-0 ¼, 233, arm length = 31 3/8, hand size = 10 1/8, 40 time = 4.45, reps at 225 = 18, vertical = 33, broad jump = 10’0”, 20 shuttle = 4.26, 3 cone = 7.21 (40 time, vertical, broad jump, 20 shuttle and 3 cone all from pro day workout)
One year starter. Missed two games in 2014 with a hand injury and missed two games in 2015 with a finger injury. Did not work out at the combine due to a left foot injury. Big back with speed and balance. Didn’t catch the ball much at Texas and reports indicated he did not catch the ball well in workouts. A known fumbler, fumbled about once in every 50 touches (average for running backs in this class is approximately 1 fumble per 88 touches). Mixed reports on his blocking. Huge upside potential but was just a one-year wonder at Texas. No character concerns that I am aware of. Was ranked #102 on the pre-combine consensus board and is ranked #100 on the current consensus board.
Other solid possibilities at #93 = Larry Ogunjobi/DT/North Carolina-Charlotte, Chad Hansen/WR/California, Shaquill Griffin/CB/Central Florida, Trey Henderickson/OLB/Florida Atlantic, Vince Biegel/OLB/Wisconsin
4-134 Adam Bisnowaty/OG/Pittsburgh (6-5 5/8, 304, 5.23)
Thompson got away from his usual offensive line type (rugged trench battler with left tackle experience) with the Spriggs pick last year, but I’m guessing he’ll probably go back to it this year. Bisnowaty was once thought of as a late third rounder but his stock really tumbled because he did not look good at tackle during the Senior Bowl week. However, reports indicated he did look good when he was playing guard and that’s how I think Thompson will view him, as a guard prospect first that could play some tackle if required.
Combine numbers = 6-5 5/8, 304, arm length = 33 7/8, hand size = 11 3/8, 40 time = 5.23, reps at 225 = 23, vertical = 29.5, broad jump = 8’0”, 20 shuttle = 4.94, 3 cone = 8.02
43 game starter at left tackle. History of nagging injuries (missed 4 games in 2013 due to a back injury, missed games in 2014 and 2015 with a high ankle sprain). Average to below-average athlete. Tough, aggressive and very intelligent. Matches up against power but can be over-matched with speed. Served a one-game suspension in 2014 (disciplinary, no further explanation was given). Was ranked #108 on the pre-combine consensus board and is ranked #173 on the current consensus board.
Other solid possibilities at #134 = Julie’n Davenport/OT/Bucknell, Jehu Chesson/WR/Michigan
5-172 Robert Davis/WR/Georgia State (6-2 5/8, 219, 4.44)
The wide receiver pick that Thompson makes every year.
2016 stats = 12 games played, 67 catches, 968 receiving yards, 5 receiving touchdowns
2015 stats = 13 games played, 61 catches, 980 receiving yards, 6 receiving touchdowns
Combine numbers = 6-2 5/8, 219, arm length = 33, hand size = 9 5/8, 40 time = 4.44, reps at 225 = 19, vertical = 41, broad jump = 11’4”, 20 shuttle = 4.28, 60 shuttle = 11.48, 3 cone = 6.82
4-year starter. Great size and speed. Good at tracking the ball in the air and making plays down the sidelines. Route running needs work and isn’t an elusive player with the ball in his hands. Excellent across-the-board performance at the combine. Will play through nagging injuries. No significant injury or character concerns that I am aware of (father is a sheriff and mother is a deputy warden according to Nawrocki’s book). Not ranked on pre-combine consensus board, ranked at #224 on current consensus board.
Possible alternative at #172 = Avery Gennesy/OG/Texas A&M
5-182 Brendan Langley/CB/Lamar (6-0 3/8, 201, 4.43)
Developmental value pick. Considering all the issues the Packers had at cornerback last year they will keep at least six and Langley would make six.
2016 stats = 11 games played, 43 tackles, 2 tackles for loss, 6 interceptions, 7 pass breakups, 1 forced fumble // 3 kickoff returns, 24.3 yard kickoff return average // 21 punt returns, 11.7 yard punt return average, 2 punt return touchdowns
2015 stats = 11 games played, 21 tackles, 1 tackle for loss, 1 interception, 11 pass breakups, 1 fumble recovery // 4 catches, 51 receiving yards, 1 receiving touchdown
Combine numbers = 6-0 3/8, 201, arm length = 32, hand size = 9 ½, 40 time = 4.43, reps at 225 = 22, vertical = 35.5, broad jump = 10’3”, 20 shuttle = 4.21, 60 shuttle = 11.19, 3 cone = 7.06
Played at Georgia in 2013 and 2014. Transferred to Lamar. Played at wide receiver and cornerback in 2015. Moved to defense full-time and started 11 games at cornerback in 2016. Big, fast, tough and physical. Good hands and is aggressive at making plays on the ball. Was great as a punt returner in 2016. Looked dominant at a lower level of competition. However, he struggled badly during Senior Bowl week. Sloppy technique and required a good amount of “coaching up.” No major injury or character concerns that I am aware of. Not ranked on pre-combine consensus board, ranked #195 on current consensus board.
Possible alternative at #182 = Harvey Langi/ILB/Brigham Young
6-212 Pita Taumoepenu/OLB/Utah (6-1 ¼, 243, 4.67)
Thompson would like to take an OLB earlier than this, but the value just wasn’t there. There were some possibilities such as Ryan Anderson at #61, Trey Henderickson or Vince Biegel at #93, but I just felt that Thompson would like the projected picks more in those areas of the draft. I’m projecting a Taumoepenu pick here and the Packers would pick him as an outside linebacker, although in the long run I suspect he might fit best as an inside linebacker.
2016 stats = 13 games played, 41 tackles, 12 tackles for loss, 9 sacks, 1 fumble recovery, 3 forced fumbles
2015 stats = 13 games, 9 tackles, 6 tackles for loss, 6 sacks, 1 forced fumble
Combine numbers = 6-1 ¼, 243, arm length = 32 3/8, hand size = 9 7/8, 40 time = 4.67, reps at 225 = 24, vertical = 28.5, broad jump = 9’4”, 20 shuttle = 4.33, 3 cone = 6.91
Defensive end/pass-rush specialist at Utah. Only started 7 games during his college career. Spent part of his high school years in Tonga and got a late start playing football. Excellent athlete with explosive ability. Fast and agile. Lacks size and strength. Very much an athletic project, could take time to fit into a defense but may be able to contribute to special teams immediately. Nawrocki notes that English is his second language, and the language barrier could slow his development. No major injury or character concerns that I am aware of. Not ranked on the pre-combine consensus board or the current consensus board.
Possible alternative at #212 = Ifeadi Odenigbo/OLB/Northwestern
7-247 Kai Nacua/S/Brigham Young (6-0 ¾, 205, 4.49)
2016 stats = 13 games played, 48 tackles, 1.5 tackles for loss, 6 interceptions, 1 pass breakup, 1 fumble recovery, 1 forced fumble
2015 stats = 12 games played, 66 tackles, 1 tackle for loss, 6 interceptions, 6 pass breakups
Pro day numbers = 6-0 ¾, 205, 40 time = 4.49, reps at 225 = 15, vertical = 39, broad jump = 10’7”, 20 shuttle = 4.14, 3 cone = 6.87
Two-year starter for Brigham Young. Playmaker with 14 career interceptions. Thorpe Award semi-finalist in 2016. Free safety that can play deep but is not afraid to come up and be physical. Excellent pro day numbers. No character issues off the field, but was involved in an all-out brawl at the end of the 2014 Miami Beach Bowl and was caught on camera striking another player in the back of the head. No major injury concerns. Not ranked on the pre-combine consensus board or the current consensus board.
Possible alternative at #247 = Chuck Clark/S/Virginia Tech, Aaron Jones/RB/Texas-El Paso
We know for sure Jordy, Dean Lowry, Jake Ryan, Aaron Rodgers, Bulaga, Lindsley, Matthews, Fackrell, Murphy, and Ripkowski aren't dirtbags.
Great job PackerJoe. We'll know soon enough.
YATittle posted:Great job PackerJoe. We'll know soon enough.
I already feel like bailing on that sixth round pick.
I don't see TT taking an RB in the 1st with the RB's we have now unless McCaffrey or Cook fall to 29. A lot of people saw and remember that video of Mixon so I don't see him going to GB in round one. Later maybe.
Grave Digger posted:Would you trust a Kicker?
I don't know what I was thinking.
D'Onta Foreman will be gone before the Packers 3rd pick.
McGinn's top 100:
http://www.jsonline.com/story/...aft-board/100915830/
And once again I'll take my shot at this.
PackerJoe's top 100:
Quarterback (5) – Mitchell Trubisky/North Carolina, Deshaun Watson/Clemson, Patrick Mahomes/Texas Tech, DeShone Kizer/Notre Dame, Davis Webb/California
Running Back (7) – Leonard Fournette/Louisiana State, Dalvin Cook/Florida State, Christian McCaffrey/Stanford, Alvin Kamara/Tennessee, D’Onta Foreman/Texas, Samaje Perine/Oklahoma, Kareem Hunt/Toledo
Wide Receiver (10) – Mike Williams/Clemson, John Ross/Washington, Corey Davis/Western Michigan, Curtis Samuel/Ohio State, Chris Godwin/Penn State, Zay Jones/East Carolina, JuJu Smith-Schuster/Southern California, ArDarius Stewart/Alabama, Cooper Kupp/Eastern Washington, Amara Darboh/Michigan
Tight End (6) – O.J. Howard/Alabama, David Njoku/Miami, Fl, Evan Engram/Mississippi, Gerald Everett/South Alabama, Adam Shaheen/Ashland, Jordan Leggett/Clemson
Offensive Tackle (7) – Ryan Ramczyk/Wisconsin, Cam Robinson/Alabama, Garett Bolles/Utah, Dion Dawkins/Temple, Antonio Garcia/Troy, Zach Banner/Southern California, Roderick Johnson/Florida State
Offensive Guard (5) – Forrest Lamp/Western Kentucky, Dan Feeney/Indiana, Taylor Moton/Western Michigan, Dorian Johnson/Pittsburgh, Isaac Asiata/Utah
Center (2) – Ethan Pocic/Louisiana State, Pat Elflein/Ohio State
Defensive End (11) – Myles Garrett/Texas A&M, Solomon Thomas/Stanford, Charles Harris/Missouri, Taco Charlton/Michigan, Jordan Willis/Kansas State, DeMarcus Walker/Florida State, Carl Lawson/Auburn, Tarell Basham/Ohio, Daeshon Hall/Texas A&M, Tanoh Kpassagnon/Villanova, Dawuane Smoot/Illinois
Defensive Tackle (8) – Jonathan Allen/Alabama, Malik McDowell/Michigan State, Chris Wormley/Michigan, Dalvin Tomlinson/Alabama, Montravius Adams/Auburn, Jaleel Johnson/Iowa, Carlos Watkins/Clemson, Larry Ogunjobi/North Carolina-Charlotte
Outside Linebacker (9) – Haason Reddick/Temple, Derrick Barnett/Tennessee, Takkarist McKinley/UCLA T.J. Watt/Wisconsin, Tyus Bowser/Houston, Tim Williams/Alabama, Ryan Anderson/Alabama, Duke Riley/Louisiana State, Alex Anzalone/Florida
Inside Linebacker (4) – Reuben Foster/Alabama, Jarrad Davis/Florida, Zach Cunningham/Vanderbilt, Raekwon McMillan/Ohio State
Cornerback (16) – Marshon Lattimore/Ohio State, Marlon Humphrey/Alabama, TreDavious White/Louisiana State, Kevin King/Washington, Adoree’ Jackson/Southern California, Quincy Wilson/Florida, Chidobe Awuzie/Colorado, Gareon Conley/Ohio State, Jourdan Lewis/Michigan, Cordrea Tankersley/Clemson, Teez Tabor/Florida, Fabian Moreau/UCLA, Sidney Jones/Washington, Desmond King/Iowa, Cameron Sutton/Tennessee, Shaquill Griffin/Central Florida
Safety (10) – Malik Hooker/Ohio State, Jamal Adams/Lousiana State, Marcus Maye/Florida, Jabrill Peppers/Michigan, Obi Melifonwu/Connecticut, Marcus Sanders-Williams/Utah, Budda Baker/Washington, Josh Jones/North Carolina State, Justin Evans/Texas A&M, Tedric Thompson/Colorado
Gareon Conley. He completely off everyone's radar?
Accused is not convicted, but if you get word that it is not out of the realm of possibility he pulls this ****, do you say no or plug your nose and pick him and find him a good lawyer?
El-Typhoon-Bong posted:Gareon Conley. He completely off everyone's radar?
Accused is not convicted, but if you get word that it is not out of the realm of possibility he pulls this ****, do you say no or plug your nose and pick him and find him a good lawyer?
Can we give him a lie detector test? Actually, if innocent why not have one done. There's a lot of $ on the line for him.
Saw Malik McDowell interviewed, super weird guy. The lights were on but no one was home.
I liked seeing Tre'Davious White who is 5'11"/190 lbs...his dad was like 6'8"/400 lbs. He definitely got his moms size genes.
Takk McKinley was very impressive in his interview. Love to have him in GB.
Found a live feed of the Vikings war room for round one:
I wonder if Sam Bradford is throwing a draft party tonight. That would be a hoot.
My problem with taking King in the First Round is that the Pac 12 coaches thought that Jackson, Jones, Awuzie, & Witherspoon were all better than him on the field.