Official 2017 NFL Draft Thread

There is no next Charles Woodson, at least not in the league now.  Only CB in recent memory who has done what Woodson did is another Woodson: Rod.  Most great CBs go the way of Darrelle Revis and Champ Bailey; once the athleticism is gone, they're career is done.  There is no move to safety.  Making that move is hard, not many CBs can play both at a high level.  Rod and Charles were unique and I don't see another CB in the NFL that will be able to do what they did late in their careers. 

IMO, Sherman is a very good CB in a perfect system with the perfect safety playing behind him.  Sherman can press and be physical and doesnt really need to cover deep b/c Earl Thomas is the best centerfielder in the NFL.  That plays into Sherman's strength (size and strength) and hides his weakness (lack of speed).  In Seattle, Sherman is a $10m CB.  In GB, he's probably more of a $5m CB.  I'll pass on Sherman and his $10m+ salary.  

SanDiegoPackFan posted:

Goalline posted:

SanDiegoPackFan posted:

Could he be the second coming of Charles Woodson for the Packers?  If so, then yes.  I didn't think Woody had that much left in the tank when we signed him.  Glad we did.

We didn't give up a piece of the future to get Chas, for one. Also, it was YOU who mentioned that he might be the next Chas Woody. No one can say for sure that he will be the next Charles Woodson.

huh?  I don't get your post GL.  But, I"m glad you can read.  

Yes, indeed...it was I...  ...in the post you had quoted....who said that he COULD be the second coming of Charles Woodson  (Chas ?  really?   too funny) .....anyway....if so, then  I think he might be worth it.  We didn't give up something to get Woody because he was a free agent.  Ya see, Sherman is still under contract so it will take some cache to get him IF TT wants him.  There, I hope that helped your comprehension.   I

Getting ahead of things. I know you.

Reading comprehension champ? You? Your very response was evidence to the contrary.

The 3 worst 'inventions' in modern history:

1. Cell phones
2. Social Media
3. Fantasy football

Although social media tends to infect fantasy sports, fantasy has given rise to an entire generation of armchair GM's/owners. In turn, this has given rise to a new sports "journalism" to cater to these idots, which they consume with great fervor.
Thus, we get 'tables' and 'subjective' grades that are supposed to replace studying tape and scouts' eyeballs.
Yeah, that's a recipe for success.

Matt Flynn of the CB world.

Henry posted:

That's like someone putting a lump of coal in your stocking and telling you it's Christmas.  

You, my friend, are a ****ing poet. 

ChilliJon posted:

"I need someone to find out where table goes to school. Did we miss tables Pro day?" - Rick Spielman. 

According to PFF his three coaster time was off the charts.

Spielmans going to blow a gasket when Zimmer tells him he repeatedly saw tables at the combine. 

Timmy! posted:

The 3 worst 'inventions' in modern history:

1. Cell phones
2. Social Media
3. Fantasy football

 

4.  Fantasy News?

Timmy! posted:

The 3 worst 'inventions' in modern history:

1. Cell phones
2. Social Media
3. Fantasy football

Although social media tends to infect fantasy sports, fantasy has given rise to an entire generation of armchair GM's/owners. In turn, this has given rise to a new sports "journalism" to cater to these idots, which they consume with great fervor.
Thus, we get 'tables' and 'subjective' grades that are supposed to replace studying tape and scouts' eyeballs.
Yeah, that's a recipe for success.

A thousand times YES for #3. A million times NO for number 3. How else can a guy get porn on the go?

Might be time you found another fantasy league. 

Timmy! posted:

The 3 worst 'inventions' in modern history:

1. Cell phones
2. Social Media
3. Fantasy football

Although social media tends to infect fantasy sports, fantasy has given rise to an entire generation of armchair GM's/owners. In turn, this has given rise to a new sports "journalism" to cater to these idots, which they consume with great fervor.
Thus, we get 'tables' and 'subjective' grades that are supposed to replace studying tape and scouts' eyeballs.
Yeah, that's a recipe for success.

I'd like to add the remote control device to that list......that one invention helped turn the USA into a fat and lazy nation.  Ha ha, JMHO.     

I think that was the Cheetos we call food. No wind sprints to the tv could overcome the "food" industry 

Richard Sherman minus Earl Thomas = burnt toast.

GAME OVER!

Sherman plus Ha Ha. Lots to like about that. Rapoport mentioned New England approached Seattle to inquire about a Sherman trade. Soon after they signed Gilmore. Tells me the asking price isn't reasonable. 

Timmy! posted:

…has given rise to an entire generation of armchair GM's/owners. 

I miss the days of arm chair GMs. We are now in the days of man-cave dwellers in their leather barcalounger with a loaded 'verbal' weapon on their lap.

Henry posted:

SanDiegoPackFan posted:

Goalline posted:

SanDiegoPackFan posted:

Could he be the second coming of Charles Woodson for the Packers?  If so, then yes.  I didn't think Woody had that much left in the tank when we signed him.  Glad we did.

We didn't give up a piece of the future to get Chas, for one. Also, it was YOU who mentioned that he might be the next Chas Woody. No one can say for sure that he will be the next Charles Woodson.

huh?  I don't get your post GL.  But, I"m glad you can read.  

Yes, indeed...it was I...  ...in the post you had quoted....who said that he COULD be the second coming of Charles Woodson  (Chas ?  really?   too funny) .....anyway....if so, then  I think he might be worth it.  We didn't give up something to get Woody because he was a free agent.  Ya see, Sherman is still under contract so it will take some cache to get him IF TT wants him.  There, I hope that helped your comprehension.   I

Let me clear this up for all parties, particularly the stupid one.  

The fact Sherman and Woodson are even brought up in the same conversation is a sure sign of brain trauma or more likely deliberate ignorance, which is the inability to admit you're a liar.  

I mean I know we all just got the report on Sherman being the next Woody from some random website but you'd have to be pretty ****ing stupid to actually believe it.  

That's like someone putting a lump of coal in your stocking and telling you it's Christmas.  

Don't Call GoalLine, stupid, Hank.   Don't be "that guy".  Everyone has an opinion.   It's just that if someone has a different opinion than you, you think it's stupid.  Typical of your ilk, Hanky.

I saw Hank's ilk once....

...once was enough.

Yes?

SanDiegoPackFan posted:

Don't Call GoalLine, stupid, Hank.   Don't be "that guy".  Everyone has an opinion.   It's just that if someone has a different opinion than you, you think it's stupid.  Typical of your ilk, Hanky.

The 5th grade is suing for copyright infringement.

ChilliJon posted:

Sherman plus Ha Ha. Lots to like about that. Rapoport mentioned New England approached Seattle to inquire about a Sherman trade. Soon after they signed Gilmore. Tells me the asking price isn't reasonable. 

Might be more reasonable now that Dick knows they are shopping him......a unhappy Sherman could make it a looooong year in the northwest.

Goldie posted:

Timmy! posted:

The 3 worst 'inventions' in modern history:

1. Cell phones
2. Social Media
3. Fantasy football

Although social media tends to infect fantasy sports, fantasy has given rise to an entire generation of armchair GM's/owners. In turn, this has given rise to a new sports "journalism" to cater to these idots, which they consume with great fervor.
Thus, we get 'tables' and 'subjective' grades that are supposed to replace studying tape and scouts' eyeballs.
Yeah, that's a recipe for success.

I'd like to add the remote control device to that list......that one invention helped turn the USA into a fat and lazy nation.  Ha ha, JMHO.     

Well, the TV didn't help much, with or without a remote.

Blair Kiel posted:

I saw Hank's ilk once....

...once was enough.

Si!

Blair Kiel posted:

I saw Hank's ilk once....

...once was enough.

I gave you the option, pink feather or his ilkiness.  

Both please!

I'd really appreciate it if someone could build out a scenario of how GB can draft Myles Garrett. That guy made some highly recruited LTs look like they were trying to block wind. 

Go Ditka on the bit! All the Pack's picks for the #1!

Sign Johnny Football, hire a homeless guy as GM and Cleveland will wet themselves to make the deal for Johnny Ootball. Might even throw in Joe Thomas.

Think about this. Myles Garrett will spend the first two months of his NFL career trying to solve Joe Thomas in camp. Lord have mercy on AFC North left tackles. 

CUPackFan posted:

There is no next Charles Woodson, at least not in the league now.  Only CB in recent memory who has done what Woodson did is another Woodson: Rod.  Most great CBs go the way of Darrelle Revis and Champ Bailey; once the athleticism is gone, they're career is done.  There is no move to safety.  Making that move is hard, not many CBs can play both at a high level.  Rod and Charles were unique and I don't see another CB in the NFL that will be able to do what they did late in their careers. 

IMO, Sherman is a very good CB in a perfect system with the perfect safety playing behind him.  Sherman can press and be physical and doesnt really need to cover deep b/c Earl Thomas is the best centerfielder in the NFL.  That plays into Sherman's strength (size and strength) and hides his weakness (lack of speed).  In Seattle, Sherman is a $10m CB.  In GB, he's probably more of a $5m CB.  I'll pass on Sherman and his $10m+ salary.  

So your saying Sherman is a rich man's Gunter?   Agreed, I'd also say that Burnett is pretty decent free safety but wasn't given the chance to show it as he was in the box while Dez Bryant, OBJ and Jones blew past Gunt down the sideline. 

Yes, I'm still sour.  

I would not trade a first for Sherman, but after he gets cut, I'd sign him

ChilliJon posted:

I'd really appreciate it if someone could build out a scenario of how GB can draft Myles Garrett. That guy made some highly recruited LTs look like they were trying to block wind. 

I'm not sure a torn Achilles would even drop him to #29. The guy is a freak.

Richard Sherman is an excellent CB in Seattle's defensive scheme. If he came to the Packers, somehow i think Capers could expose every one of his weaknesses. 

He's not just a freak. He went full throttle at his pro day and ran a faster 40 than the combine with nothing to prove. He was already the best player in the draft. By far. The guy is ****ing relentless. 

The question is: Can Cleveland find a way to screw this up?

chickenboy posted:

Go Ditka on the bit! All the Pack's picks for the #1!

...I wonder, I just wonder, Garrett for them all? I might have to think about that. And what would Cleveland do with its eleventy million picks?

Draft 10 wide receivers

And GBP brings Mixon for visit. Perhaps its just a ploy to get somebody else to draft him first so somebody else falls to us in the draft?

 inconceivable?

Herschel posted:

The question is: Can Cleveland find a way to screw this up?

Cleveland is the Bill Belichek of screwing **** up.

For what it's worth. Nick Saban was the defensive coordinator for Bill Belichick in Cleveland for 4 years. Cleveland fired both of them. 

They weren't cheating in Cleveland the way they do in Foxboro and the NCAA.