Clay's a vet. He's an excellent player. Maybe it's that he needs to talk up the younger guys on the sideline. Maybe it's congratulate another guy for making a big play while they're still on the field. Just something to show that he's engaged with everyone else and that veteran leadership means something. Yes, did he move inside when asked? Absolutely, he did that to help the team. But it also took him a very long time to say he was okay with it, even as he said he was still looking to move back outside. I'm thinking I'd like to see from Clay the same bearing of Woodson, Butler, etc., guys who celebrated with other players, taught them, and kicked them when they needed it.
How can you say he doesn't do those things?
I think you are making **** up for some reason. I have no reason to believe Clay isn't a great teammate, doesn't support young guys, or doesn't hold guys accountable.
Unless you are getting way more out of momentary sideline shots than everyone else, you are full of ****. Do you sit on the sideline and watch Clay's interactions with other players. Do you have some locker room information you can share with everyone else?
I have no idea what kind of leader Clay is, if you could identify one tangible thing that verifies your theory, I would love to hear it (other than more ass slapping).
Leadership
Congratulating
Celebrating
Besting
Supporting
grimacing
captaining
commiserating
fist bumping
jumping
Goalline posted:SanDiegoPackFan posted:I didn't say the others were drafted...I was just comparing McCaffrey to those type of players.
You didn't have to say it. You are asking TT to draft a player in the first round to fill a role generally occupied by undrafted players.
Wrong. I posited that IF McCaffrey was there, would TT take him. I didn't say I was asking TT to take him. Big Difference.
I would have to think a corner in rounds 1 or 2 is a good bet given Ted's history of targeting that position. I think it's even more likely given the lack of good OL and DL prospects.
The other option would be an outside pass rusher like Watt. Clay seems to be more effective playing inside so if they did that and drafted Watt all of a sudden they have what appears to be a decent trio with Perry and CMIII and Watt getting after the QB. An improved rush also helps lessen the exposure on our mediocre CB group.
Just as I say this TT will probably scoff and select a TE or QB early
He will draft a guard.
Punter in the 7th
As much fun as that would be, that likely means no CB until the third.
I have a suspicion if they draft two corners they'll move Rollins to safety, giving him first crack when they slide Burnett down, essentially replacing Hyde.
The main competing groups would then likely be:
CB: House, Randall, Gunter, Dorleant Hawkins, Draft pick A, Draft pick B, Goodson
S: Burnett, Clinton-Dix, Rollins, Brice
I'd leave Burnett at safety. Gunter's speed ( 
) puts him in more of the Hyde/racist role for the DBs I'd think. Also, they seem to think a lot of Evans at S.
I've had the same issues with McCaffrey. As a player, I love him. He's a great athlete with a ton of college production and has as high of football character as you could ever want. No holes. But Goalline is right, do you really draft a guy in the first round to play a role that can be filled by a late round/undrafted guy (maybe just slightly worse)? I hear Darren Sproles is the most common comp - would you draft Sproles in the first? He has just one 1,000 yard season from scrimmage and has played on different 3 teams. Yea he's a great return man but you do not draft a returner in the first. I mean people on these boards flipped when Cobb was asked to start at WR AND return punts, so would you really expect your first round pick to be a full time kick returner his entire career?
Lot of unique questions about McCaffrey that are mostly about value than talent. Any team has to determine where McCaffrey's ceiling is. Is it higher than Sproles? How much higher does it have to be to warrant a first round pick? I don't know.
To put it another way, would you rather draft McCaffrey in the first and then an edge defender in the 6th/7th? Or take TJ Watt in the first and try and find a Dion Lewis, James White, Darren Sproles, Tevon Coleman or Danny Woodhead clone late? History shows you're better off going option 2, as third down backs are easier to find late, while pass rushers are much more difficult to find later in the draft.
I guess it depends on how you view McCaffrey. If you see him as Darren Sproles then he's definitely not worth it, but if you view him more as a guy who could have a huge impact like Antonio Brown then there's no question he's worth it. My big question with McCaffrey is whether he's even a RB in the NFL? He's 5'11/203, since 2008 the only two RBs drafted in round 1 to be under 215 were Jahvid Best and CJ Spiller, neither one of the latter two obviously became the bellcow back those teams hoped they would be. Not saying McCaffrey will end up like either, but I don't think you draft him to be a starting RB in the NFL and if you're picking a RB in round 1 then he better be your starter. I'd draft him in round 1 to be a Slot receiver like Antonio Brown, but GB doesn't need a 1st round Slot receiver.
Hungry5 posted:I'd leave Burnett at safety. Gunter's speed (
Yeah, Gunter has no right plying his trade on the perimeter. My mom would smoke him in a foot race, fer crying out loud.
Or maybe Gunter just needs to be matched up on slower WRs. Or maybe he bullks up and covers TEs. I don't know what the answer is but it's definitely not having Gunter match up on the outside with guys like Dez Bryant, Odell Beckham and Julio Jones.
Hungry5 posted:I'd leave Burnett at safety. Gunter's speed (
I forgot about Evans, but my guess is that if they draft a corner early, he'll be targeted for man coverage skills, House is better in man, Gunter is better in press man, etc. Rollins seems to have a good skill set for the zone back end combination coverages and being able to slide up and handle more-shifty-than-fast slot guys as he isn't the fastest guy either though he's laterally quick.
I do NOT see us drafting a RB in first round. Many Mocks do.
http://www.espn.com/blog/green...-cook-to-the-packers
Its BPA and unless a RB expected to go in the top 10-20 is still available we wont do it. TT does not value them that high. Too many Mocks emphasize "need".
El-Stalker-Bong posted:He will draft a guard.
Punter in the 7th
Don't we need to trade up for the best LS in the draft? I would do that in the 1st round just to be sure we have our most pressing need address first.
Of course many of us probably envision a draft like:
29: R1P29 CB CHIDOBE AWUZIE COLORADO
61: R2P29 EDGE JORDAN WILLIS KANSAS STATE
93: R3P29 RB BRIAN HILL WYOMING
134: R4P27 DL EDDIE VANDERDOES UCLA
172: R5P28 CB SHAQUILL GRIFFIN CENTRAL FLORIDA
182: R5P38 OT J.J. DIELMAN UTAH
212: R6P28 WR RODNEY ADAMS SOUTH FLORIDA
247: R7P29 LB NYEEM WARTMAN-WHITE PENN ST
And what we'll probably get is
29: R1P29 RB ALVIN KAMARA TENNESSEE
61: R2P29 WR CHRIS GODWIN PENN STATE
93: R3P29 TE JAKE BUTT MICHIGAN
134: R4P27 EDGE DAESHON HALL TEXAS A&M
172: R5P28 CB SHAQUILL GRIFFIN CENTRAL FLORIDA
182: R5P38 G DAMIEN MAMA USC
212: R6P28 LB BEN GEDEON MICHIGAN
247: R7P29 S JOHNATHAN FORD AUBURN
Grave Digger posted:If you see him as Darren Sproles then he's definitely not worth it,…
Hmmm, if you can draft someone at number 29 that would have the career that Sprouls has had, I'd say you did pretty well for yourself.
Now that we have Bennett and Kendricks, I really like the idea of drafting Butt and letting him red shirt a year. Wouldn't need him in 2017 but you'd be getting a first round talent in the third round when 2018 rolls around.
It's not entirely out of the question GB drafts Watt and Tankersley 1-2 next month. And I would rejoice with unbridled enthusiasm and many vodkas with fresh lemon juice.
Plan B could be Conley and Jordan Willis 1-2. And I would rejoice with slightly reduced enthusiasm but an equal number of vodkas with fresh lemon juice.
I'd be fine with Chipotle Awoozie and Willis as well. Chipotle looks like he's got everything you want in a number one corner. I just think the BFI, ass slapping, potential leadership, potential hair growth, and fist bump factor with Watt is too far off the charts to pass up on day one.
Nearly everyone now says Jones will be there at 29 now, perhaps slipping all the way to the 2nd or even 3rd. Is he 2017's Miles Jack? Would Ted really consider?
Sidney Jones says he’ll play this year despite Achilles injury
Posted by Michael David Smith on March 21, 2017, 2:24 PM EDT
Getty Images Former University of Washington cornerback Sidney Jones was expected to be a high first-round draft pick before he suffered an Achilles injury while working out for NFL scouts at the school’s Pro Day. That injury will certainly affect Jones’s draft stock, but he says he’s confident he’s going to be on the field as a rookie this year.
Jones wrote on Twitter today that he had surgery, it was successful, and his doctor tells him he’ll be ready for the 2017 season.
“Surgery was great,” Jones wrote. “The doctor said that I will for sure be playing this upcoming season #DontCountMeOut.”
CUPackFan posted:Or maybe Gunter just needs to be matched up on slower WRs. Or maybe he bullks up and covers TEs. I don't know what the answer is but it's definitely not having Gunter match up on the outside with guys like Dez Bryant, Odell Beckham and Julio Jones.
This. If injury forces you to the point where he has to be your #1, you protect the top and have him bully up front. At no point should he be in a foot race one on one down the sideline vs Bryant, OBJ or Jones. We saw that happen every #$%% week in the playoffs.
He has talents, they just were not used properly.
What Brainded said. Either Capers scheme was stupid or the players didn't execute it.
chickenboy posted:Hmmm, if you can draft someone at number 29 that would have the career that Sprouls has had, I'd say you did pretty well for yourself.
Sproles has 7,887 yards from scrimmage (rushing, receiving, special teams) in his 11 year career, that's an average of 717 scrimmage yards per year. Eddie Lacy has averaged 1,000+ scrimmage yards in 4 years as pretty much just a runner and some as a receiver. Sproles has had a nice career for a 4th rounder, but if we re-drafted the 2005 draft I definitely would not pick him in round 1. The pick at 29 needs to provide more than Darren Sproles has provided over his career.
RE: Sidney Jones...
I can't think of anyone who suffered a major injury pre-draft that has gone on to be an impact guy.
I may be missing someone though...
If it was a broken bone or something, no problem...torn achilles...torn ligament...if he's there in round 3 maybe...
packerboi posted:Helmet head's latest:
Dalvin Cook all the way to 29? I'd be all about that.
I got a feelin AL LB Foster is going to drop further than Kaper thinks.
YATittle posted:What Brainded said. Either Capers scheme was stupid or the players didn't execute it.
It could be a stupid scheme, AND the players weren't able to execute it anyway.
I don't see Thompson drafting players like Sidney Jones or Jake Butt because history has shown that he doesn't take injured players. Although I was thinking about Jake Butt a few nights ago and the situation would be perfect...Bennett, Kendricks and Rodgers this year while Butt is IR'ed and then next year would be Bennett, Kendricks and Butt. If this was the year Thompson had 12 draft picks it would be perfect but it's really questionable if Thompson has enough draft picks to use one on a redshirt player.
Dalvin Cook is a good example of where it would make sense to deviate from the best player available approach. Even if Cook comes out as the lone "top tier" player at #29, it would make perfect sense to pass on him for a number of reasons. Obvious one being the needs on the defensive side of the ball are greater. Second one being is the true value at the running back position may be in rounds four or five...really good chance the dropoff in talent would be less at running back rather than trying to find a starting LB (inside or outside) or CB that late. Third is that a 3-down linebacker or defensive back probably contributes more in the long run than a running back who probably ends up splitting time with Montgomery. So if Thompson gets to that point and he's looking at Cook versus a very attractive linebacker or cornerback...it would be pretty easy for him at that point to say the organization doesn't need the potential headache involved...Cook has a much higher ceiling, but since there is a lower floor due to character concerns we're passing on him and taking the defensive player.
Reuben Foster could be a dropper, no doubt about that. But it would be interesting to see him make it to #23 because, right off the top of my head, the Saints, Colts, Lions and Dolphins all need linebacker in a big way and it would be something if all four of those teams passed on him.
packerboi posted:Nearly everyone now says Jones will be there at 29 now, perhaps slipping all the way to the 2nd or even 3rd. Is he 2017's Miles Jack? Would Ted really consider?
Sidney Jones says he’ll play this year despite Achilles injury
Posted by Michael David Smith on March 21, 2017, 2:24 PM EDTFormer University of Washington cornerback Sidney Jones was expected to be a high first-round draft pick before he suffered an Achilles injury while working out for NFL scouts at the school’s Pro Day. That injury will certainly affect Jones’s draft stock, but he says he’s confident he’s going to be on the field as a rookie this year.
Jones wrote on Twitter today that he had surgery, it was successful, and his doctor tells him he’ll be ready for the 2017 season.
“Surgery was great,” Jones wrote. “The doctor said that I will for sure be playing this upcoming season #DontCountMeOut.”
Err, bull****! He won't see the field before August...of 2018.
PackerJoe posted:Although I was thinking about Jake Butt a few nights ago
That's a coincidence. I was just thinking about Scarlett Johansson's butt.
DH13 posted:I got a feelin AL LB Foster is going to drop further than Kaper thinks.
Foster is CJ Mosley. A prime Pro bowl long term prospect at middle linebacker. He's long gone early. He's going to be good.
"I actually had _______ going here to _______ earlier so I get the pick"
That's a Mel staple. Mel has 5-6 mocks before the draft and he shuffles his deck so he can say he saw it coming. I'm sure ESPN had him on every show today. That ****er gives himself a soft landing spot
I can promise without looking that he never had OJ Howard and Takk McKinley going top 10 and Hassan Reddick going 11.
Mel is a greasy **** that has somehow parlayed a complete guessing game into several millions each year.
packerboi posted:Helmet head's latest:
I doubt it will be a running back...unless the guy is the next Paul Hornung.
Packmeister posted:packerboi posted:Helmet head's latest:
I doubt it will be a running back...unless the guy is the next Paul Hornung.
Yep. Aint gonna happen. As noted by other posters its not Teds MO.
Besides we just resigned C Michael.
If Thompson doesn't take a great RB prospect because they have Christine Michael on the roster then we know he's had that stroke.
Packmeister posted:packerboi posted:Helmet head's latest:
I doubt it will be a running back...unless the guy is the next Paul Hornung.
Isn't Christian McCaffrey about as close as you'll get?
Herschel posted:If Thompson doesn't take a great RB prospect because they have Christine Michael on the roster then we know he's had that stroke.
I would find it hard to believe that Michael is anything but a body for camp. He didn't know where to line up after he'd been in Green Bay for two months.
RB and TE are very deep this year, so I'm crossing my fingers he takes one of each in rounds 3 and 4. Everything I've heard/read agrees that if you draft one, you're getting a prospect that's 1 round ahead in a normal draft (ie: draft a RB/TE in round 3 this year is like getting a RB/TE in round 2 last few years).
And probably right that TT wouldn't draft a red shirt guy but if Butt lasts to the end of the third, I just don't see how you can pass him up. Roster would allow it and third round picks don't typically contribute much their rookie years anyways, so not like you're missing an impact player. Going into 2018 with Bennett, Kendricks and Butt would be ridiculous.
Ted will draft a RB...won't be in round 1. Lots of RB depth his year...T-Mont has proven he has the chops to be an NFL starting RB. Michael is about two things...change of pace RB and ST. They also re-signed Don Jackson who will be their next Jim Starks.
I could see Joe Williams from Utah in round 3 or so to fill that hole, or Brian Hill from Wyoming. Both are tough, downhill runners, that played in the snow and didn't fumble.
In round one, TT seems to go with BPA at a need position with that player probably projected as a starter. I think it will be a CB or LB this year.
YATittle posted:What Brainded said. Either Capers scheme was stupid or the players didn't execute it.
Or both.
PackerJoe posted:I don't see Thompson drafting players like Sidney Jones or Jake Butt because history has shown that he doesn't take injured players.
So Justin Harrell - who had a long injury history in college - doesn't qualify?
Blitzing the safeties and leaving the CB's in man is more than stupid.
ChilliJon posted:DH13 posted:I got a feelin AL LB Foster is going to drop further than Kaper thinks.
Foster is CJ Mosley. A prime Pro bowl long term prospect at middle linebacker. He's long gone early. He's going to be good.
So you're saying he's gone before 15 (Kiper)? I was saying it will be after 15.
Ghost of Lambeau posted:PackerJoe posted:I don't see Thompson drafting players like Sidney Jones or Jake Butt because history has shown that he doesn't take injured players.
So Justin Harrell - who had a long injury history in college - doesn't qualify?
I think TT stopped taking that type of player after the Justin Harrell experience.
The Justin Harrell experience, is that part of the stadium tour?
GBFanForLife posted:The Justin Harrell experience, is that part of the stadium tour?
The could do a number of these types of things:
The Ezra Johnson experience (eat a hot dog on the field) would be a good one.
The Dan Devine experience....get a broken leg while standing on the sidelines.
The Brent Fullwood experience. I'm too sick to play but not too sick to party.
GBFanForLife posted:The Dan Devine experience....get a broken leg while standing on the sidelines.
Thank you Bob Hyland.
"...the gesture, from the sideline, in a caaaaaast....."
ha. I always thought he said "gesture" and was referring to Dan Devine in that song and it was about a Packers' game...the song was released 10/24/71 and that Packer game was 09/19/71....so, it could be ????
The players tried for a forward pass
With the jester on the sidelines in a cast
Now the half-time air was sweet perfume
While the sergeants played a marching tune
We all got up to dance
Oh, but we never got the chance!
`cause the players tried to take the field;
The marching band refused to yield
The Najeh Davenport experience.....OK, maybe not.
Packy posted:The Brent Fullwood experience. I'm too sick to play but not too sick to party.
Fullwood was rumored to have one of the lowest Wonderlic scores in history. This link says that a 10 is considered to a marker for the literacy level. Vince Young got a 6.
http://cornellsun.com/2006/03/...redictor-of-success/
Rumors suggest that former Auburn running back Brent Fullwood scored a one on the exam in 1986. The lone point was awarded for writing in his name.
MichiganPacker posted:GBFanForLife posted:The Justin Harrell experience, is that part of the stadium tour?
The could do a number of these types of things:
The Ezra Johnson experience (eat a hot dog on the field) would be a good one.
And a few years ago at alumni day:
Timmy! posted:The Najeh Davenport experience.....OK, maybe not.
Or just go with British room names.
Fabian Moreau tears pectoral while lifting at pro day workout. Surgery and out for 4-6 months.
Might be the first time Fabian lifted weights. That guy is soft. Does not like contact. Does not like to tackle.
I don't want anything to do with him.
That sucks. Second high-round cb to get hurt post-combine thins the numbers.
Thins the top of the draft, but somebody is going to get a top 10 pick on day two with Sidney Jones.
Don't know much about the guy except for his R1 grade and 4.35 speed. If you can grab him in the 4th and have him on the field by October, not sure I'd argue.
True, but high picks are not guys teams can often afford to medical redshirt. Contending teams need contributors from those spots and bad team's staffs often don't have the time to wait.
TT's off-season moves, to me, indicate how he thinks of this draft. He added a DT and two TEs, gave big money to his own pass rusher and brought in a veteran CB backup. He didn't replace his elite starting CB or his elite starting Guard. He didn't replace his 1,000 yard rusher at RB either.
To me that says he doesn't think he will find options in the draft at TE or DT, but thinks there's a good chance he finds another starting CB. He probably has his eye on a couple RBs and a couple OG/C he thinks are plug-and-play. I'm guessing he doesn't think he will have a shot at a starting pass rusher and will probably opt for another developmental pass rusher like Fackrell.
To me injuries are part of the game and who knows what injury might have happened even if the player was drafted healthy. Many times my heart sunk when a promising player gets injured and is out for some time. I wish there were a formula for the risk/reward for picking up very good yet injured players.
Say that it is a "x" amount of a chance. And say that the impact value of that player is "y " over time and then factor in the cost "c " to acquire that player. Put it down on paper and give each one a weighted number and there you have it!
I wish
ROUND 1
Pick 29
Forrest Lamp, OL, Western Kentucky
6’4”/310 lbs.
*Immediate starter at either Guard position with some flexibility to play Tackle.
ROUND 2
Pick 61
John Johnson, DB, Boston College
6’/208 lbs.
*College Safety that would bump over to CB in the NFL and be an immediate 4 down contributor.
ROUND 3
Pick 93
Wayne Gallman, RB, Clemson
6’/215 lbs.
*Versatile, high energy power runner with all the skills to thrive in this offense.
ROUND 4
Pick 134
Deatrich Wise Jr., DL, Arkansas
6’5”/275 lbs.
*Similar to Dean Lowry, tall/long 5-tech who can provide some pass rush on 3rd downs.
ROUND 5
Pick 172
Aviante Collins, OL, TCU
6’4”/295 lbs.
*Developmental OL with high upside and flexibility to help anywhere on the OL.
Pick 182 (Compensatory)
Jamaal Williams, RB, BYU
6’/212 lbs.
*Talented runner who needs to stay healthy, similar to James Starks in terms of running style.
ROUND 6
Pick 212
Joey Ivie, DL, Florida
6’3”/300 lbs.
*Super high effort grinder who can play 3-tech or kick out to 5-tech.
ROUND 7
Pick 247
Johnny Caspers, OL, Stanford
6’4”/292 lbs.
*Another high effort player who could develop into good depth.
It seems odd to me that college safeties project to be corners in the NFL. That is like a college 2nd basemen projecting to be a shortstop.
One DB with likes of that stiff Goodson and unknow Mankiton? 3 OL, 2 RB and not one edge rusher? I hope your draft is 100% wrong.
In Green Bay they do...
And that would be the reason we have some slow-a$$ CB.
If Goodson ever does something worthwhile for the GBP you can send the crow pie to me. I would have already waived him injured unless there is some waiver discount to be had by waiting.
But I'm not an actual human being dealing with another injured human being as a team GM, either. Heal him up, ship him out, whatever's best for Demetri. But don't try to tell me there is gonna be a ROI there.
Henry posted:One DB with likes of that stiff Goodson and unknow Mankiton? 3 OL, 2 RB and not one edge rusher? I hope your draft is 100% wrong.
I just think they will stand pat with what they have. Just like last year, rather than panic and draft another receiver high (after Adams struggled and Nelsons injury), I think they will see what a defense with a healthy Randall and Rollins plus a high rookie pick, House and Gunter looks like. That's 5 deep, theoretically Goodson/Dorleant shouldn't see the field even if there is an injury. It's all about value though, this draft is heavy with quality players in rounds 1 and 2, but there just aren't impact players of even Fackrell's quality passed those rounds. A lot of developmental guys.
I don't think it's weird that an athletic college Safety/CB projects to corner if he has cover corner skill? He tested better than many CBs at the combine and unlike many of the CBs in the draft he can actually tackle. Guys like Randall and John johnson probably should have been playing CB the whole time in college, the team needed them at Safety though.
Can't see a scenario where Thompson takes 3 offensive linemen unless there is a plane crash between now and the draft. They could keep 9 offensive linemen, but lately the number has been 8. Bakhtiari, Bulaga, Linsley, Taylor, Spriggs are all locks to make the 53. As much as Barclay is disliked, it will be very hard for any day three rookie to push him off the 53. That's 6. I'm guessing Thompson would be perfectly content to have one spot be up for grabs between Murphy and Patrick. That would only leave one spot open. They could pick two offensive linemen to guard against injury, although the combination of Murphy, Patrick and undrafted rookies is already some insurance. Picking three offensive linemen is putting the team in a situation where they have to expose at least one or maybe two on waivers at the end of the pre-season in order to keep them in the organization. They just don't have that luxury with significant needs at CB, OLB, ILB, RB, RG and depth needs at S. Thompson would probably also like to have an opportunity to pick a WR now that Montgomery is out of that mix and it's not crazy to think that Cobb could be a cap casualty next off-season.
El-Stalker-Bong posted:It seems odd to me that college safeties project to be corners in the NFL. That is like a college 2nd basemen projecting to be a shortstop.
I was a high school 2nd baseman who projected to a college history major.
I feel like you're fixating too much on the 3rd OL. 7th rounders are generally just some UDFA they really want, I don't think there's much forcing them to keep a 7th round player on the final roster and there's no player they're taking because they think he could contribute right away. Really with this draft there's no player beyond round 3 that is likely to step in and contribute right away anyway, it's a pretty top heavy draft.
With uncertainty at OL, with Lindsley and Taylor both in contract years you bet your butt he's taking at least 2 OL. He has no one behind those two and he's not going to go in to next season without a viable option at least 1 of those spots.
Grave Digger posted:Henry posted:One DB with likes of that stiff Goodson and unknow Mankiton? 3 OL, 2 RB and not one edge rusher? I hope your draft is 100% wrong.
I just think they will stand pat with what they have. Just like last year, rather than panic and draft another receiver high (after Adams struggled and Nelsons injury), I think they will see what a defense with a healthy Randall and Rollins plus a high rookie pick, House and Gunter looks like. That's 5 deep, theoretically Goodson/Dorleant shouldn't see the field even if there is an injury. It's all about value though, this draft is heavy with quality players in rounds 1 and 2, but there just aren't impact players of even Fackrell's quality passed those rounds. A lot of developmental guys.
I don't think it's weird that an athletic college Safety/CB projects to corner if he has cover corner skill? He tested better than many CBs at the combine and unlike many of the CBs in the draft he can actually tackle. Guys like Randall and John johnson probably should have been playing CB the whole time in college, the team needed them at Safety though.
House and Gunter are the same player. I'd say House is better but considering his last few years I'm not sure if that's entirely true anymore. Rollins is still raw. I have hope for him but still raw. Goodson, destitute man's Rollins. I mean living in the gutter and going chickenhead for money man's Rollins. He ****ing sucks. You're basically asking Randall and a rookie to fill the very large hole left by Shields. I also believe in Randalll and think he'll be a good player but quite honestly he isn't going to replace Shields. Shields was solid, real solid.
So if you're only going to draft one CB don't draft a ****ing BB player turned football player and don't draft a S to play CB regardless of his potential skill set. You don't draft projects to replace Sam Shields. You draft a straight up, high draft pick who actually played CB in college.
When Shields was developing he had the benefit of a pretty solid starting CB corp. That isn't the case now. No projects.
I would think there will be better DBs than Johnson there at pick 61.
I don't consider this specific player a project, he played Safety, Nickel back, and on the outside. He played all of them pretty well also, so it's not like he's learning a new position. He looks like a day 1 starter just like Randall was. Shields was a CB for 1 season in college and a UDFA, didn't seem to matter for him playing early. If we can get an ascending talent in round 2 or round 3 then we can take the best player available in round 1.
Yes he's played all the DB positions, but none well enough for the ACC coaches to vote him First or Second team all conference. I tend to put a lot of stock in opposing coaches opinions since they watch endless hours of tape in preparation for playing vs. these players. I just don't see this kid as a second round player.
Overall Johnson had good combine results but he ran a 4.61 40 and that isn't a good number if projecting him to play cornerback. Not to mention that Thompson seems to be leaning more and more towards speed after those Cardinal games two years ago. Take a look at my post of 2016 rookie offensive skill guys/defensive back 40 times on this page:
https://packers.timesfour.com/t...2#523303475144670012
And from what we've seen this off-season, I'm not sure that approach will change any the rest of this off-season:
I'm still on the pass rush, pass rush, pass rush bandwagon.
TT is utterly reticent to give up on young, high-round draft picks so it's most likely he's counting on Rollins and Randall to have major roles, but the pass rush rotation is extremely thin. Perry and Matthews, not exactly the definition of ironmen, also take snaps off even when healthy-ish. Is anyone really thinking Fackrell and BlackJanis are good enough to be able to field three+ situational pass rushers and/or be able to move Matthews around to wherever?
Yep, fully in the pass rusher camp. I'd rather see TT draft two rushers than two RBs.
I'm not at all convinced that Fackrell is anything more than an average player. But what have we seen out of Randall, Rollins, House and Gunter to makes us think any of those players are better than Fackrell? At least Fackrell has two players ahead of him, the cornerback situation is probably as ugly as any team in the league. Take it for what it is worth, but Pro Football Focus gave Fackrell a higher grade (by a fairly good margin) than Randall, Rollins, House or Gunter last season.
Thompson definitely could go 2 OLBs. They probably keep 6 OLBs and right now they only have 4 that are locks to make the roster (Matthews, Perry, Fackrell, Elliott). Reggie Gilbert is a sleeper, read some real positive reviews of him during last year's pre-season. I wouldn't count him out, but I can't count him in either.
Get pressure on the opposing QB?!?!?
Naawwwwww.......C'mon now
Jabrill Peppers skips the agility drills at Indianapolis and now skipped them again at Michigan's Pro Day. Talented athlete but I just don't get the hype on him. Nothing wrong with a 4.46 40-time and a 35 1/2" vertical from a 213 pound player, but those numbers are hardly jaw-dropping. Very well could be one of those guys who looks like a super-athlete against college competition and then when he gets to the pros just looks rather ordinary (Reggie Bush anyone?). Considering all the questions regarding where he will play in the NFL, he should have done the agility drills to "prove it."
Chris Wormley posted some good numbers. Looks like a solid second rounder.
Sounds like sour grapes since Jabrill didn't subscribe to your "how to be a top NFL pick" newsletter.
jokes on him though, 90% of it is just "have an awsum 40 time"
Three cone. It's all about the three cone.
Well, if Al Davis was still running the Raiders...........................
Carolina - Kentucky is just incredible. I mean ****ing incredible. This should have been a final 4 game. My God this is something.
The other question becomes what happens when an unexpected guy falls, ala Rodgers. Say depth at RB causes weirdness and Fournette is sitting there at #29, as is Conley, Watt, McKinley and Awuzie, all of whom carry a grade deserving of that spot. Maybe TT is looking at Hill/Henderson/Conner in the third as better value than the corners and edge guys and thinks the drop off to Phillips and Bowser (or whomever) is less than that of the corners.
Do you still take Fournette, losing a greater degree of talent at two need positions even though he's better but not as much better than the later prospects (provided you grade him higher, but not as a franchise talent) especially at a position with the shortest shelf life?
...or....God Forbid....McCaffrey is still sitting there at #29 ????? oh no! What will TT do now???
If Fournette is there at 29, he probably broke his leg the day before the draft.
The question is why did Fournette fall? Rodgers fell because of Tedford Curse fears and stupidity, if a guy like Fournette fell you would assume it's injury related (long term damage potential) or character related (pending legal issues). Do you want to take on a RB who may be done in a couple years or may be suspended for 8-16 games? Probably not. If he falls for seemingly no reason then it's a no brainer...you have 2 starters at OLB and 0 starters at RB and he's a Bo Jackson level talent.