Official 2017 NFL Draft Thread

Goldie posted:

Timmy! posted:

The 3 worst 'inventions' in modern history:

1. Cell phones
2. Social Media
3. Fantasy football

Although social media tends to infect fantasy sports, fantasy has given rise to an entire generation of armchair GM's/owners. In turn, this has given rise to a new sports "journalism" to cater to these idots, which they consume with great fervor.
Thus, we get 'tables' and 'subjective' grades that are supposed to replace studying tape and scouts' eyeballs.
Yeah, that's a recipe for success.

I'd like to add the remote control device to that list......that one invention helped turn the USA into a fat and lazy nation.  Ha ha, JMHO.     

Well, the TV didn't help much, with or without a remote.

Blair Kiel posted:

I saw Hank's ilk once....

...once was enough.

Si!

Blair Kiel posted:

I saw Hank's ilk once....

...once was enough.

I gave you the option, pink feather or his ilkiness.  

Both please!

I'd really appreciate it if someone could build out a scenario of how GB can draft Myles Garrett. That guy made some highly recruited LTs look like they were trying to block wind. 

Go Ditka on the bit! All the Pack's picks for the #1!

Sign Johnny Football, hire a homeless guy as GM and Cleveland will wet themselves to make the deal for Johnny Ootball. Might even throw in Joe Thomas.

Think about this. Myles Garrett will spend the first two months of his NFL career trying to solve Joe Thomas in camp. Lord have mercy on AFC North left tackles. 

CUPackFan posted:

There is no next Charles Woodson, at least not in the league now.  Only CB in recent memory who has done what Woodson did is another Woodson: Rod.  Most great CBs go the way of Darrelle Revis and Champ Bailey; once the athleticism is gone, they're career is done.  There is no move to safety.  Making that move is hard, not many CBs can play both at a high level.  Rod and Charles were unique and I don't see another CB in the NFL that will be able to do what they did late in their careers. 

IMO, Sherman is a very good CB in a perfect system with the perfect safety playing behind him.  Sherman can press and be physical and doesnt really need to cover deep b/c Earl Thomas is the best centerfielder in the NFL.  That plays into Sherman's strength (size and strength) and hides his weakness (lack of speed).  In Seattle, Sherman is a $10m CB.  In GB, he's probably more of a $5m CB.  I'll pass on Sherman and his $10m+ salary.  

So your saying Sherman is a rich man's Gunter?   Agreed, I'd also say that Burnett is pretty decent free safety but wasn't given the chance to show it as he was in the box while Dez Bryant, OBJ and Jones blew past Gunt down the sideline. 

Yes, I'm still sour.  

I would not trade a first for Sherman, but after he gets cut, I'd sign him

ChilliJon posted:

I'd really appreciate it if someone could build out a scenario of how GB can draft Myles Garrett. That guy made some highly recruited LTs look like they were trying to block wind. 

I'm not sure a torn Achilles would even drop him to #29. The guy is a freak.

Richard Sherman is an excellent CB in Seattle's defensive scheme. If he came to the Packers, somehow i think Capers could expose every one of his weaknesses. 

He's not just a freak. He went full throttle at his pro day and ran a faster 40 than the combine with nothing to prove. He was already the best player in the draft. By far. The guy is ****ing relentless. 

The question is: Can Cleveland find a way to screw this up?

chickenboy posted:

Go Ditka on the bit! All the Pack's picks for the #1!

...I wonder, I just wonder, Garrett for them all? I might have to think about that. And what would Cleveland do with its eleventy million picks?

Draft 10 wide receivers

And GBP brings Mixon for visit. Perhaps its just a ploy to get somebody else to draft him first so somebody else falls to us in the draft?

 inconceivable?

Herschel posted:

The question is: Can Cleveland find a way to screw this up?

Cleveland is the Bill Belichek of screwing **** up.

For what it's worth. Nick Saban was the defensive coordinator for Bill Belichick in Cleveland for 4 years. Cleveland fired both of them. 

They weren't cheating in Cleveland the way they do in Foxboro and the NCAA.

All our picks for #1?  It would make signing undrafted free agents after the draft easier.  

Going into draft where are we struggling to replace lost players?

OL Lost Lang and Tretter.  Lane has a year experience as a starter and the rookies are a  year smarter with a PS guy the team likes behind them.  Add a FA signing and Barclay a year further from ACL.  As good if not better than at start of 2016 season.

TE Lost Cook.  Found two guys that may be an upgrade over Cook.  Any luck at all Dick Rodgers only sees field on Hail Mary's.  Much Better.

WR Lost Aberederis.  To Badger alums an issue.  Nelson a year further from ACL. Adams and other kids a year smarter!  Janis?  Much Better.

RB Lost Lost Eddie Buffet Lacy and Starks.  Monty was WR until into season but has adjusted well.  Christine and Jackson can only be smarter.  Eddie and Starks were spectators most of season-Better and likely to add more.

QB A-Rod on Brady diet.  Two kids a year smarter.  Better

DL Lost Jones and Pennel.  Clark and the kids are all smarter and added a vet DT. Much Better.

Outside Linebackers Lost Peppers.  Perry has 2 arms again and Mathews gets to refocus.  Fackrell is a key along with can Eliott be a role player.  Even to slight lean better.

Inside Linebackers Everybody back and smarter.  Better.

Safety Lost Hyde.  Haha and Burnett are growing into as good a tandem as we have had in a decade.  Brice and some other kids may match or exceed Hyde.  Better.

Cornerback  Lost Shields who only played a couple plays.  The bigger question is dinged up Randle and Rollins.  Adding House is comforting.  Better health would make this group better without further additions.

Uncle Ted has removed pressure to plug gaping holes.  Need for another playmaker and overall depth on defense.  Nice place to be.

RatPack posted:

Going into draft where are we struggling to replace lost players?

And we have  speedy Mak D. and Hawkins in the wings as CB

Don't usually see that kind of unbridled optimism until after the draft.  Gotta love it.  I hereby approve.

Running back is the only glaring hole, and rookies make great running backs. Bring it.

Great post Rat Pack....Get a LB, Ol , RB in any order and BPA it the rest of the way.

MPLS here we come!

Good post Ratpack.  I personally would put CB/DB over LB I just don't trust them at that position. 

Wow, I hope there's a recurring prescription.

I still would like for us to try and trade out of the first and pick up the injured Sidney Jones. Good value pick in the early second round and still be able to get quality DE/OLB later in the second. Jones may even be ready sooner than later.  I know its a risk as the draft picking on the first day gets closer to our choice.

If no team bites then stick with our current plan.

No, they need to stay away from injured players PERIOD!!

YooperPackfan posted:

No, they need to stay away from injured players PERIOD!!

Or just wait until they arrive to get injured? Injuries happen, we can get ahead of the curve on this one.

Seriously, its a chance to get a real game changer who recovers with our staff and can be a real game changer down the road.

I guess a real game changer is better than a fake game changer!  Make Football Great Again!!

FinnLander posted:

I guess a real game changer is better than a fake game changer!  Make Football Great Again!!

agree

PackerPatrick posted:

YooperPackfan posted:

No, they need to stay away from injured players PERIOD!!

Or just wait until they arrive to get injured? Injuries happen, we can get ahead of the curve on this one.

Seriously, its a chance to get a real game changer who recovers with our staff and can be a real game changer down the road.

Yeah, but with the Packers' medical staff?  I don't know, he may not get cleared for 3 years.  And with the injuries this team seems to get regularly, I'm not sure I would trust them.

Go all in for 2017, or continue to reload/keep the cupboard stocked?

Why not both? Always counting on tomorrow at the expense of today is a fool's errand, while only worrying about today often leads to lean days in the future. It would be different if he had a torn pectoral muscle, then you'd think "okay, even if it doesn't come back 100% it's no big deal", but an Achilles? There's more risk involved. 

FinnLander posted:

I guess a real game changer is better than a fake game changer!  Make Football Great Again!!

Not possible until you sh!tcan Goodell.

YooperPackfan posted:

No, they need to stay away from injured player's PERIOD!!

agreed. gross

YooperPackfan posted:

No, they need to stay away from injured players PERIOD!!

Horrible lamp.  You need a new decorator.

Draft Forrest, Draft!

You want to draft Forrest Gump?  Well - at least he can run.  The playbook might be a challenge though. 

I guess that opens up the question of drafting players with injuries. As has been pointed out, some injuries are worse than others and a players injury history has to be factored in. Because this is a draft thread, its a legitimate question. Also, sports medicine has improved over the years. I remember when ACL injury's were considered a possible career ender. We just picked up a player with an injury history from the Bears. So, its a risk/reward issue. If this team sees a player in the draft who has the potential for a very high ceiling why not consider drafting him and waiting. I realize this goes against the "win now" attitude that many have. Yet I believe this team is one that always looks to the future and think that drafting an injured player is worth considering if the possible reward in the future is worth it and should not be dismissed out of hand.

Ghost of Lambeau posted:

You want to draft Forrest Gump?  Well - at least he can run.  The playbook might be a challenge though. 

They already have Janis.

We need to get Garrett and Fournette on Tiny Trump's reading list so they say stupid **** and drop.  

Garrett would have to go full Milo to drop to 29.

An irrelevant blowhard queen?  I have people for that.