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Official 2018 Draft Thread

ChongoChongoX4 O.G.

Cuz it's never too early!

Current draft order...will update weekly. (updated 1/1/18)

  1. Cleveland (0-16) .520
  2. New York Giants (3-13) .531
  3. Indianapolis (4-12) .480
  4. Cleveland - from Houston (4-12) .516
  5. Denver (5-11) .49
  6. New York Jets (5-11) .520
  7. Tampa Bay (5-11) .555
  8. Chicago (5-11) .559
  9. San Francisco (6-10)# .512
  10. Oakland (6-10)# .512
  11. Miami (6-10) .543
  12. Cincinnati (7-9) .465
  13. Washington (7-9) .539
  14. Green Bay (7-9) .539
  15. Arizona (8-8) .488
  16. Baltimore (9-7) .441
  17. Los Angeles Chargers (9-7) .457
  18. Seattle (9-7) .492
  19. Dallas (9-7) .496
  20. Detroit (9-7) .496
  21. Tennessee* (9-7) .434
  22. Buffalo* (9-7) .492
  23. Atlanta* (10-6) .543
  24. Carolina* (11-5) .539
  25. Jacksonville* (10-6) .434
  26. Buffalo - from Kansas City* (10-6) .477
  27. Los Angeles Rams* (11-5) .504
  28. New Orleans* (11-5) .535
  29. Pittsburgh* (13-3) .453
  30. Minnesota* (13-3) .492
  31. Philadelphia* (13-3) .461
  32. New England* (13-3) .484
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DH13DH13Member

Anywhere above 10 is fine by me.  It's rare for a perennially good team to draft in the top 10 due to 1 off year.  But if CAR can go to a SB one year then draft #8 the next, I'm good with it.  Could make this nightmare of a season all worth it if it means getting more top-end talent, especially where we really need it.

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Just checked a couple sites.  Looks like a lot of D in top half of RD1 but not where we need it most.  Lots of S and DT/DE.  Only O players I see consistently that high aside from QB's is Barkley and Ridley and a few OL.  Barkley won't make it past #4 but Ridley wouldn't be a bad consolation prize.  Not that TT would take a WR that high.  

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Top 10 Picks and the Green Bay Packers haven't meshed very well in my lifetime.  I think of guys like Mandarich, Buckley, Fullwood, Reynolds, Hawk, Clark, Rich Campbell and I start to break out in a cold sweat.  They did get BJ Raji and Sterling Sharpe though in the top 10.  At least Raji was good for a couple of years.  And to be fair to Fullwood, he did make 1 Pro Bowl before he busted in '90. 

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DH13 posted:

Just checked a couple sites.  Looks like a lot of D in top half of RD1 but not where we need it most.  Lots of S and DT/DE. 

IF (hey I can dream), they move on from Dom, there are some pretty good pure 4-3 pass rushers in this draft. Some say the Packers already have some key pieces in the 4-3 with Kenny Clark, Nick Perry, Kevin King, Daniels and Martinez.

Find another good 4-3 pass rusher opposite Nick and either cut CMIII or push him inside at a much cheaper salary and go draft another CB.

With a DC who knows what he's doing, this defense could turn around in a hurry.

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I'm thinking if they draft that high and a franchise-type QB is there (maybe Rosen), take him. Hopefully he can be a quality backup early on and they have four years to hash out if he's the future or not. Rodgers will be 38 then and he may not be done, but trade the other guy or move on with him even if you have to juggle contract money for an extra year.

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BrainDed posted:

They already have 11 picks, possibly 12.    We could replace our entire defense if we wanted to.  Lol

I'd really like to know what happened with that Lerentee McCray pick from the Bills.  The Packers were supposed to get the Bills 7th round pick in 2018 if McCray made the Bills roster.  McCray made the team, was on the Bills roster at the end of the year and had appeared in 13 games.  Not sure how the Packers wouldn't get a pick for that unless the media reported it incorrectly.  But something is whacked because the Bills traded that 7th round pick as part of the Kelvin Benjamin trade.  So at this time I'm guessing the Packers will get nothing for McCray.  I figure the Packers will have 11 picks, their own picks and 4 compensatory picks which according to overthecap.com would be a third, a fifth and two sixes.

Will also say it's a little hard to be real excited about the draft these days with as poor as the Packers have done recently.  Over the last couple of weeks McGinn has made side references to Thompson relying more and more on the coaching staff and less and less on the scouts when making these decisions and if that's what's caused the dropoff then that needs to change.  Coaches should be able to give an OK on a player but I've never liked the idea of coaches picking these guys because they will always be the "give me the great athlete that can't play and I'll coach them up" mentality and that can get pretty dangerous pretty quick.  See Mike Sherman.

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I thought the drafts have been better the last couple years though I have no idea if that's the scouts or the coaches.  

2017: first 6 of 8 picks look productive or better so far. King, Jones, Adams, Biegel, Williams, Jones.

2016: 3 or 4 of 7 look productive or better. Clark, Martinez, Lowry, maybe Murphy.

2015: 3 of first 6 are solid.  where Randall ends up swings this draft a lot as he has the highest potential for value. Montgomery, Ripkowski, Ryan.  If Randall&Rollins both finally bomb out, this draft hurt at the top.

2014: Dix, Adams, Linsley. RRodgers has had moments.

 

 

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IMO, the only way the Packers draft a QB in the first round is if ARod's bonafide doppelganger is available. DB, LB or WR, I'm guessing, will most likely be the positions targeted in the first round by the Packers, if anyone of quality at those positions are there when the Packers pick. What I don't want to see is TT picking a DB, WR or whatever, because he was good at basketball or the high jump in track. Get players who actually have played the position you are drafting for.

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He's not going to take another CB in RD1 unless he's an elite talent and I don't see one of those at the position in this draft.  He's also not going to take a WR #1 unless he thinks Ridley is elite talent.  He'll probably trade down and take an OL or edge rusher if value is there.  More likely he'll do something none of us expected and leaves us debating if he should have passed on a guy that was there at the original pick.

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If there is any good to come of this season I hope it is that GB gets a dominant defense out of this situation.   I do suspect that a new voice is needed in the locker room.. Whether GB employs  3-4 or 4-3 there does appear to be some talent on this team and it is a matter for the coaches to maximize.  That being said  this does not appear to be a draft full of defensive studs and the cornerback class pales when compared to last years.  One guy I really like, and maybe he lasts to 10 is Arden Key (OLB LSU) .  His game against Alabama was Von Miller like or Bradley Chubb.  Should GB go another route in the first I also like Harold Landy of BC in the second.  There will obviously be many changes once the underwear Olympics rolls around but offensive players appear to lead the 2018 draft board right now.  

  We all marveled at how GB seemed to find a running game this year and while with 12 in there it appeared promising having 5 guards play O-line is not healthy for the long term good of the offense.  So perhaps an OT or  a WR will be at the top of the draft borad but I still expect a pass-rusher 1st and an OT in the second and CB,  TE in the 3rd.

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S SteveLukeMember
DH13 posted:

I thought the drafts have been better the last couple years though I have no idea if that's the scouts or the coaches.   

I think it is way too premature to judge the Packers 2017 draft.

 As for the 2014-2016 drafts, they may have been “better” than prior drafts but they are not much to write home about in my view. Other than Adams, there is no real difference maker from those three drafts on the roster right now and even he is more solid than spectacular. Clark is also very solid. Randall may yet become a difference maker.

Otherwise, there are several Just A Guy (JAG) types, more than a few busts, and not much else.

Again, depending upon how Randall turns out, the 2015 draft may end up being one of the worst under the current regime.

2016

  • Clark – Excellent
  • Spriggs – Bust so far
  • Fackrell – Bust so far
  • Martinez – Good
  • Lowry – JAG
  • Davis – Not even a JAG
  • Murphy – Incomplete

2015

  • Randall – Agree too early to call could go either way on & off the field. Big ?
  • Rollins – Bust
  • Montgomery – JAG
  • Ryan – JAG (Martinez drafted in 2016 because Ryan is JAG at best)
  • Hundley – No comment
  • Ripkowski – JAG (Would Kerridge offer anything less?)
  • Ringo – Gone
  • Backman – Gone

2014

  • HHCD – JAG (1st round JAGs are not draft hits)
  • Adams – Excellent
  • Thornton – Bust/Gone
  • Rodgers – JAG (3 free agents signed the last 2 years to replace him)
  • Bradford – Bust/Gone
  • Linsley – Good
  • Abbredaris – Gone
  • Goodson – JAG at best
  • Janis – Good on STs
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Back around the time when Jordy was drafted, Green Bay seemed to be doing very well finding WRs. Some guys have been real finds since, and some... just didn't develop, to put it as kindly as possible. Need to get back on track.
The last few years it has been primarily CBs and some Ss, especially guys that are added as UDFAs. This year particularly, they were looking at guys that could play the hybrid DB/LB role. I agree Randall and Rollins can swing on how their drafts are ultimately judged. At this point, I'd settle for 1 of them to finally emerge
I think they have done well with DL the last 2 years. Clark looks like a winner. I'll argue a bit with SteveLuke over Lowry; I think he's rock solid and has far exceeded his value. Who knows what we have with Adams? Can't say he's a bust, but he has been poor ROI thus far.

With that said, they need to get much better scouting OL and LBs, We need help at every position. Speaking of arguing with SL, I'll say Linsley is a JAG. Poor pass protection and had that limp-wristed snap going on this year. Plus depth behind him is virtually nil.
No need to mention the hot mess that exists at LB, both inside and out. As they have been for how many years now? We also have the very real prospect with life without CM3 looming.

RB is still in turmoil. I think the Packers have made some decent picks, but nobody can stay healthy long enough to establish themselves. Green Bay has very little money invested at RB, and it mostly shows. And I have no idea what the team is doing with Ripper; he was getting plenty of snaps at FB and RB for a while last year (and doing relatively well excepting a particular fumble...), and this year it seems we see him for a few snaps about every 3 games. For reasons unknown, MM and/or Bennett aren't utilizing a FB this season.

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SteveLuke posted:
DH13 posted:

I thought the drafts have been better the last couple years though I have no idea if that's the scouts or the coaches.   

I think it is way too premature to judge the Packers 2017 draft.

 As for the 2014-2016 drafts, they may have been “better” than prior drafts but they are not much to write home about in my view. Other than Adams, there is no real difference maker from those three drafts on the roster right now and even he is more solid than spectacular. Clark is also very solid. Randall may yet become a difference maker.

Otherwise, there are several Just A Guy (JAG) types, more than a few busts, and not much else.

Again, depending upon how Randall turns out, the 2015 draft may end up being one of the worst under the current regime.

2016

  • Clark – Excellent
  • Spriggs – Bust so far
  • Fackrell – Bust so far
  • Martinez – Good
  • Lowry – JAG
  • Davis – Not even a JAG
  • Murphy – Incomplete

2015

  • Randall – Agree too early to call could go either way on & off the field. Big ?
  • Rollins – Bust
  • Montgomery – JAG
  • Ryan – JAG (Martinez drafted in 2016 because Ryan is JAG at best)
  • Hundley – No comment
  • Ripkowski – JAG (Would Kerridge offer anything less?)
  • Ringo – Gone
  • Backman – Gone

2014

  • HHCD – JAG (1st round JAGs are not draft hits)
  • Adams – Excellent
  • Thornton – Bust/Gone
  • Rodgers – JAG (3 free agents signed the last 2 years to replace him)
  • Bradford – Bust/Gone
  • Linsley – Good
  • Abbredaris – Gone
  • Goodson – JAG at best
  • Janis – Good on STs

I think that's pretty close.  I'd just make a couple changes

Clinton-Dix is better than being just a guy.  He had a poor start to this year but has looked better since.  Good years in 2015 and 2016.  Maybe not an excellent player but no worse than very good.

I'd put Randall in the bust category.

I'd only count Clinton-Dix, Adams, Linsley, Clark and Martinez as players who are real solid NFL starter quality and less than 2 players like that per draft isn't nearly enough when the overriding concept is draft and develop. 

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Now that we're out of the playoff officially, new order as of end of week 15:

2018 NFL Draft Order

PickTeamRecordWin%GBSOSStreak
1
Cleveland
0-14.000--.513Lost 14
2
NY Giants
2-12.1432.0.527Lost 4
3
Indianapolis
3-11.2143.0.487Lost 5
4
Houston
CLE Cle
4-10.2864.0.504Lost 4
5
San Francisco
4-10.2864.0.513Won 3
6
Chicago
4-10.2864.0.558Lost 1
7
Tampa Bay
4-10.2864.0.563Lost 4
8
Cincinnati
5-9.3575.0.473Lost 3
9
Denver
5-9.3575.0.482Won 2
10
NY Jets
5-9.3575.0.531Lost 2
11
Arizona
6-8.4296.0.487Lost 1
12
Oakland
6-8.4296.0.509Lost 2
13
Washington
6-8.4296.0.531Won 1
14
Miami
6-8.4296.0.549Lost 1
15
LA Chargers
7-7.5007.0.473Lost 1
16
Green Bay
7-7.5007.0.531Lost 1
17
Baltimore
8-6.5718.0.442Won 1
18
Detroit
8-6.5718.0.487Won 2
19
Seattle
8-6.5718.0.487Lost 2
20
Dallas
8-6.5718.0.491Won 3
WILD CARD ROUND LOSERS
21
Tennessee
8-6.5718.0.438Lost 2
22
Buffalo
8-6.5718.0.496Won 2
23
Atlanta
9-5.6439.0.554Won 2
24
New Orleans
10-4.71410.0.545Won 1
DIVISIONAL ROUND LOSERS
25
Kansas City
BUF Buf
8-6.5718.0.487Won 2
26
Jacksonville
10-4.71410.0.420Won 3
27
LA Rams
10-4.71410.0.491Won 1
28
Carolina
10-4.71410.0.545Won 2
CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIP LOSERS
29
Pittsburgh
11-3.78611.0.446Lost 1
30
Minnesota
11-3.78611.0.496Won 1
SUPER BOWL TEAMS
31
New England
11-3.78611.0.500Won 1
32
Philadelphia
12-2.85712.0.446Won 2
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Brainwashed Boris posted:

ZOMG! Ted blew a PICK! He's the first & ONLY GM to blow a pick in the draft!!!

FIRE HIM NOW!!!

TT has way more wins in the draft than losses - more than most if not ALL GM's.

Start looking at the overall picture & stop cherry picking draft picks for your agenda

I will say this, just overall, the Packers talent evaluation has slipped at least a little bit since John Dorsey, John Schneider, and Reggie McKenzie were lured out of the organization.  When Aaron Rodgers can't play, the lack of top shelf talent really shows.  They have some good players, but very few difference makers now that Matthews and Nelson have begun to decline.

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I'm guessing Rodgers doesn't play the rest of the season increasing our chances of losing & finishing 7-9.

We should draft between 11-15 if that happens. 

If you were playing on this team & knowing the last 2 games are for all intents and purposes pre-season games. Wouldn't you be just a little "dinged up" not able to play?

What's the point of playing....You play to win the game...however in the last 2 games, what are you playing for? 

Humans....not robots.

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Agree with Boris. I could easily see players like Kenny Clark (ankle), Nick Perry (sprained everything), Davon House, etc sitting the rest of the season along with 12 and 17. 7-9 puts them in a pretty decent position in the draft where they arguably could get a top 5 defensive player since likely 8 of the 1st draft picks likely go QB/OT.

There also may be a stud RB or WR a team will want in the top 10 that leaves GB the ability to get a difference maker on D.

Some have speculated the Packers could take 2 edge rushers in the 1st and 2nd (much like they did with DB's the last 2 drafts).

They desperately need rushers. A healthy Kevin King and Damarious with House at depth and a veteran CB signed in FA? IMO, there not as bad in the secondary as some think.

But pass rusher(s) is a whole other can of worms.

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GB better not use a draft pick in the first 5 rounds unless Capers is long ****ing gone. Tired of wasting assets on him. 

If the best player available in round 1 is a G or T I’d be fine with that. Bulaga might be done and you can’t expect Evans to hold up again like he did this year. 

Plenty of talent on defense already. That side of the ball needs two things. Health and coaching. 

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packerboi posted:

Agree with Boris. I could easily see players like Kenny Clark (ankle), Nick Perry (sprained everything), Davon House, etc sitting the rest of the season along with 12 and 17. 7-9 puts them in a pretty decent position in the draft where they arguably could get a top 5 defensive player since likely 8 of the 1st draft picks likely go QB/OT.

There also may be a stud RB or WR a team will want in the top 10 that leaves GB the ability to get a difference maker on D.

Some have speculated the Packers could take 2 edge rushers in the 1st and 2nd (much like they did with DB's the last 2 drafts).

They desperately need rushers. A healthy Kevin King and Damarious with House at depth and a veteran CB signed in FA? IMO, there not as bad in the secondary as some think.

But pass rusher(s) is a whole other can of worms.

Agree on the secondary being more than adequate. Our secondary doesn't get beat more than any other team's secondary on good routes by great receivers. Our defensive problems from blown coverages are the biggest problem. The Greg Olsen TD to open the second half should be the final nail in Dom's coffin as the Packers DC. A Hall of Fame level TE who probably runs about a 4.8 runs straight ahead untouched without making a move to catch a pass with no one within 20 yards.

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They need offensive talent and a lot of it. Other than RB, LT, and QB they need upgrades everywhere. No more expecting 7th round WR picks to make a difference. They used the vast majority of the high picks on the defensive side of the ball and figured that Rodgers would be enough to score points (which turned out to be right if he had stayed healthy). I arbitrarily list the guys picked in the first 4 rounds the last 4 years. This should be heart of the team right now. With a few exceptions, it's not pretty.

2017 First 4 rounds: King (CB), Jones (S), Adams (DT), Biegel (OLB), Williams (RB)

2016: Clark (DT), Spriggs (Turnstile), Fackrell (OLB), Martinez (ILB), Lowry (ILB)

2015: Randall (CB), Rollins (CB), Montgomery (WR/RB), Ryan (ILB)

2014: Dix (S), Adams (WR), Thornton (DL), Rodgers (TE), Bradford (ILB)

Great Picks (A grade): Kenny Clark, D. Adams

Good Picks (B grade) (based on performance and draft round): Williams, Martinez, Lowry, Dix, Jones (maybe lower but he looked good early), Randall (past 8 games)

Adequate (C grade): Montgomery, Ryan, Rollins, RichRod

Incomplete (injury): King, Biegel, M. Adams

Awful (F): Spriggs, Fackrell, Thornton, Bradford

In the last 4 years on offense, they've added one excellent player (D. Adams), a backup slot guy (Monty), a backup TE (RichRod) and a promising workhorse RB (Williams). They've not drafted a useful OL other than Linsley (5th round).

I would guess there aren't many teams in the league that have added less offensive talent in the last 4 years than the Packers. For 2018, they have to upgrade (or replace injured or older guys) at the following positions:

RT (Bulaga/Spriggs), RG (Evans will be 35 next season), WR (Nelson), TE (probably 2 players). In other words, they need to replace 4 starters on offense, and it's unlikely they have a replacement on the roster for TE or WR (we'll see on the OL since Murphy or McCray might be adequate).

Rodgers will be 35 next year. I don't see the offensive talent as a 1-2 year fix at this point. Not without some more investments in veteran free agents, but TT is more likely to wait for Allison, Clarke, Davis, Janis, Spriggs, etc. to develop

 

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Spriggs hasn't looked good so far to say the least, but we have seen turnarounds before with guys who looked lost.  Admittedly, sometimes they never turn around like Sherrod, but he did have some serious injuries which didn't help him any. 

Lane Taylor, now there is a guy who the first few times I saw him I thought he was well below average, but he's developed into at least a solid reliable player at this point.  Marco Rivera and Mike Wahle both looked pretty shaky when they were pressed into service many years ago, but eventually they both became Pro-Bowl level guards with Wahle in particular becoming one of the better guards I have seen play for the Packers in the 40 years I've been watching them. 

I guess one key difference between the guys I mention and Spriggs is that Spriggs is playing tackle whereas the guys who turned things around were all guards.  If nothing else, we know that the Packers will give a high draft choice like Spriggs every chance to turn it around next season.   The only high draft pick I can remember that they gave up on quickly was Brian Brohm.  

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packerboipackerboiI lick rainbows

Ted has been pretty golden at WR through his tenure here. IMO, probably his best position in drafting:

Terrence Murphy

Gerg Jennings

James Jones

Jordy Nelson

Randall Cobb

Davante Adams

Ty Montgomery

Plus Janis and Davis, low round picks that have become pretty core special teamers. It's one position that I feel confident he can find a gem in the 2nd/3rd rounds.

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Oline: I'm pretty good with Bak, Taylor, Linsely, Evans/and or Murphy.  i'll give Spriggs one more year too as I do think he has improved and could be still playing hurt.  Obviously need to draft a couple for depth for the battles in the trenches.  Sorry Bryan, thanks for the memories but for your own health time to let it go.

QB: yep need some more depth here, not a fan of what behind AR12.  perhaps a FA, and a draft pick

RB: Could be the one position that is set between Jones, Williams, Monty, and the Ripper.

WR: lets see what we've got in Allison, Clark, Janis, Davis, hell even Yancey.  Adams is clearly a #1 and I hate typing it but Cobb and Jordy are now #2's that get by on veteran savy than say raw skill, rather then a complementary 1b and 1c.  Will need some help here too, FA and draft.  Much like Bulaga If Jordy is done again in the name of having an after football career, thanks a million you will not be forgotten.

TE: I would love to see the Penn State kid, to go with Kendrick and Rodgers.

DLine: got quality with Lowery, Daniels, Clark and Adams.  Need to draft some more got to win in the trenchs.

LB: Matthews Perry and Martinez need help.  Sorry but Thomas, Ryan and Fackrell are not it.  Brooks can come back.

CBs/S: if you would have told me that Randall would be the best player at the year based on the first 8 games I've have said you were nuts.  Can keep Burnett, Jones (I'll give him a pass, I think he was trying to process too much) and King, maybe Dix (I've railed on the guy but i'm hoping its more scheme more than player?). 

Just a few thoughts, draft is what QB heavy this year at the top?  Not sure what there is to be had from a FA market, dam you Bennett.

 

 

 

 

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Rodgers can make adequate offensive players (both line and receivers) better than they are.  While it would be nice to have a second stud WR who has breakaway speed or a true TE threat over the middle, I don't see it happening in the early rounds with so many needs on defense.  Pass rush is the priority because it can help cover up secondary weakness, even if we have to spend a 2nd or 3rd round pick on CB given the bare shelf there.

And, if TT is doing the drafting (almost certain he will not "retire" or be fired) then it should be  make or break for him, because the record of futility in drafting defense coupled with his refusal to sign meaningful free agents has led to the sad sack defense we have.  When a defense sports six first rounders as starters. (Matthews, Perry, Randall, Clinton-Dix, Clark and King as starter), with five of them drafted in the past 6 years, you should not be as consistently bad on defense as we have been.  Capers plays a role, but I think TT's poor evaluation of defensive talent looms large.

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PackerBackerDPM posted:

Oline: I'm pretty good with Bak, Taylor, Linsely, Evans/and or Murphy.  i'll give Spriggs one more year too as I do think he has improved and could be still playing hurt.  Obviously need to draft a couple for depth for the battles in the trenches.  Sorry Bryan, thanks for the memories but for your own health time to let it go.

QB: yep need some more depth here, not a fan of what behind AR12.  perhaps a FA, and a draft pick

RB: Could be the one position that is set between Jones, Williams, Monty, and the Ripper.

WR: lets see what we've got in Allison, Clark, Janis, Davis, hell even Yancey.  Adams is clearly a #1 and I hate typing it but Cobb and Jordy are now #2's that get by on veteran savy than say raw skill, rather then a complementary 1b and 1c.  Will need some help here too, FA and draft.  Much like Bulaga If Jordy is done again in the name of having an after football career, thanks a million you will not be forgotten.

TE: I would love to see the Penn State kid, to go with Kendrick and Rodgers.

DLine: got quality with Lowery, Daniels, Clark and Adams.  Need to draft some more got to win in the trenchs.

LB: Matthews Perry and Martinez need help.  Sorry but Thomas, Ryan and Fackrell are not it.  Brooks can come back.

CBs/S: if you would have told me that Randall would be the best player at the year based on the first 8 games I've have said you were nuts.  Can keep Burnett, Jones (I'll give him a pass, I think he was trying to process too much) and King, maybe Dix (I've railed on the guy but i'm hoping its more scheme more than player?). 

Just a few thoughts, draft is what QB heavy this year at the top?  Not sure what there is to be had from a FA market, dam you Bennett.

 

 

 

 

I like Hayden Hurst from South Carolina at TE.

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packerboi posted:

Ted has been pretty golden at WR through his tenure here. IMO, probably his best position in drafting:

Terrence Murphy

Gerg Jennings

James Jones

Jordy Nelson

Randall Cobb

Davante Adams

Ty Montgomery

Plus Janis and Davis, low round picks that have become pretty core special teamers. It's one position that I feel confident he can find a gem in the 2nd/3rd rounds.

Hard to separate whether they are really all that talented from the fact that Favre and Rodgers were throwing passes to them. It takes a lot less to be open. 

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excalibur posted:

So AR back to IR. They risked his health for the brass ring.

One of the few things MM did right this season was handling the return of AR. Letting him play against Carolina then sitting him once the season objective was prematurely cancelled. Let's see if MM can string two consecutive right moves together by addressing the DC issue.

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Herschel posted:

I'd argue RB isn't so set. I likes Jones well enough, but Williams looks to be just a guy. Imagine pairing a true play maker with Jones as a change-of-pace guy.  

I think most were very pleased with Jones and Williams and I think as a rookie Williams was far more than "just a guy". I think we are all set at that position given the other needs on the team. It will be interesting to see how the Monty story goes.

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They really need a solid/good perimeter WR.  That used to be 87, 17 can do some things there.  But 87 and 18 are now slot guys and Adams can only do so much.  They need a guy that can pull coverage out of the middle of the field.  81 almost looked like he might be developing in that direction early in the season but kind of went AWOL.  And everyone knows he's not going to take anybody deep.  It's a lot to heap on an UDFA basketball player but I would really like to see what Clark can do in the next 2 weeks.

Here are a few prospects with speed and some size to keep an eye out for during the bowl season:

Antonio Callaway, FL

Parris Campbell, OSU

Christian Kirk, TA&M

Equanimeous Brown, ND

Courtland Sutton, SMU

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Considering that we are all sucking lemons over missing the post season this has been a pretty interesting thread!  I am curious about the number of go offense first thoughts for next year.  I don't know where I fall on this issue as Pass rusher and Cornerback also appear as large needs.  

 So I guess going forward I am assuming Capers will retire and a new DC will be there who will get more out of the talent by changing the scheme.  Still will take more talent to win so assume either the 1st or 2nd round will be a defensive guy.  A long look at the current prospects lists seems like the Iowa CB or the Oklahoma OLB would fall into the right range and I am not sure.  I saw Jackson play once this year and was not disappointed (but small sample size) I saw Okoronko also only once and he was good not dominating.  Many of my friends like both of these players but I don't have enough knowledge about these guys to form an opinion!  How about you guys??   

  Also should GB wait till rnd 2 to shop in these aisles I liked Isiah Oliver from Colorado/ Harold Landy (BC) - Malik Jefferson from Texas!

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Last year I wanted to think we should go offense with every pick because I was under the impression that it didn't matter if we drafted Reggie White and Deaon Sanders.   Just load up on offense and try to outscore everyone.    When it came down to it, I was begging for Watt on draft day.

I imagine It will play out for me the same way this year..

As far as a high pick on WR, I think we need to promote Gmo.   Despite the fumble and the inability to quit smoking weed, I think he has a lot of potential.   I'd focus on OL early if the prospects are there because as #12 ages he is going to get less agile and more fragile.   Priority #1 should be to protect the franchise.

 

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mrtundramrtundraMember
DH13 posted:

They really need a solid/good perimeter WR.  That used to be 87, 17 can do some things there.  But 87 and 18 are now slot guys and Adams can only do so much.  They need a guy that can pull coverage out of the middle of the field.  81 almost looked like he might be developing in that direction early in the season but kind of went AWOL.  And everyone knows he's not going to take anybody deep.  It's a lot to heap on an UDFA basketball player but I would really like to see what Clark can do in the next 2 weeks.

Here are a few prospects with speed and some size to keep an eye out for during the bowl season:

Antonio Callaway, FL

Parris Campbell, OSU

Christian Kirk, TA&M

Equanimeous Brown, ND

Courtland Sutton, SMU

I'm in the Courtland Sutton camp, for sure. This guy is amazing at going up and grabbing the ball. Another guy I'd love to see in the Green and Gold is DJ Chark from LSU. 

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Mr Tundra stole my thunder when it came to next tier WR's with DJ Chark.  In the Alabama game he was uncover able  .  I kept thinking with 12 throwing that ball he scores about 5 times.   Arden Key was the other guy I had a man crush on that game but he is like a Ferrari you only get to drive him twice a month and I am not sure TT would invest a top 15 pick in a part time player!

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DH13 posted:

Looks like he'll be shooting up the draft boards and may go higher than we pick.  But then again, I don't think TT would value any WR enough to take him in RD1 much less top half of RD1 anyway.  

This is TT we are talking about and it would never surprise me if he goes for something like a WR in RD1. 

DOCBENNI brings up a good point if the Packers were to make a change at DC and the new guy brings in a 4-3 instead of a 3-4 that might change the whole draft strategy.  Personally, I say after OL I would draft defense, defense, some defense, more defense, and when in doubt I would draft defense.

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Accept that TT does not necessarily draft players for particular positions, i.e. all the converted players that have mostly flamed out, especially edge players.  So it may not matter.

TT does not draft WR's in RD1.  He prefers to find them in 2 and 3.  He seems to value the big men more in RD1.  I think he really needs blue chipper edge rusher this year.  The rest he can pick up after.

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mrtundramrtundraMember
DH13 posted:

Accept that TT does not necessarily draft players for particular positions, i.e. all the converted players that have mostly flamed out, especially edge players.  So it may not matter.

TT does not draft WR's in RD1.  He prefers to find them in 2 and 3.  He seems to value the big men more in RD1.  I think he really needs blue chipper edge rusher this year.  The rest he can pick up after.

Sutton will be gone in round one. We may have an opportunity to grab Chark or Key or Gallup  in the second round, then.

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Not directed at anyone in particular...

With all the calls for firing/retiring Dom, do we know if the bulk of the current D roster would be better in a 3-4 or 4-3? I ask, because it seems to me that much of what Dom does with the Elephants, Nitro packages etc... is not that far from a 4-3.





I think it is time for Dom to move on. The message has gotten stale.



Another tweet linked a possible reference for that tweet. Sometimes, you have to read between the lines.

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I think it is time for Dom to move on. The message has gotten stale.

I remember last year when the Queens d-backs decided they didn't like the Zimmer plan and Jordy ripped them apart until they figured out maybe the coach had a plan and freelancing wouldn't work. 

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